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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Eminence]
    #23796430 - 11/03/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Then you should tell cancer patients that. I challenge you to find a person with cancer using medical marijuana and tell them it isn't medicine and that it's no different then the beers you drink at night. I'm not saying prisoners should have pot but don't fucking start about how Mmj is just a big excuse for people to get high because it isn't. It's saved thousands of toddlers lives and other seizure patients that basically have 1 option for treatment in pharmecutical realm. Not to mention about 10 other very serious very hard to treat ailments. You haven't met people who use it medically so they must not exist right? You know everyone in America that smokes medical pot. (Again I'm not saying there aren't people out there who get cards without need) but some people really do need it.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796431 - 11/03/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think psychedelics should be looked more than marijuana here for assisting the prison population. Psychedelics tend to promote pro-social behavior and enhance empathy - both commonly lacking in your typical inmates. many in jail often have difficulties in the areas of the brain that deal with decision making, mood, and aggression. anti-social personality disorder is common, and people with ADHD are more likely to end up in jail than your average person.

as for cannabis, i'm not sure it actually helps decrease aggressive behaivor, and i've been reading some conflicting data, some that points to cannabis use being correlated to increase aggressive behavior and worsening psychotic symptoms in other patients. I'm sure the latter is probably in high-THC cannabis.

all of this is kind of moot to the question as prisoners can usually get most drugs they want within reason


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23796442 - 11/03/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I never even mentioned alcohol. I also included "other debilitating conditions" which was meant to include people like cancer patients who are using it. But if you were to take all the med card patients and subtract the ones using it for reasons like cancer pains or arthritis or anything that's actually serious, you'd be left with a shit load of 20 somethings that "need it to sleep", "need it to eat", "need it for headaches" etc.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: 404]
    #23796451 - 11/03/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What is legitmate when it comes to a medicine? The seriousness of a condition is not relative to it's factuality. I have anxiety and depression, possibly bipolar. weed helps tremendously. All that being said the only person I've ever known to actually have a med license was my dad and he was bipolar 1, suffered from severe anxiety, had 25% heart functions and was recovering from strokes.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796462 - 11/03/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Free weed for everyone top to bottom, left to right, inside and out.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23796475 - 11/03/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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What is legitmate when it comes to a medicine? The seriousness of a condition is not relative to it's factuality. I have anxiety and depression, possibly bipolar. weed helps tremendously. All that being said the only person I've ever known to actually have a med license was my dad and he was bipolar 1, suffered from severe anxiety, had 25% heart functions and was recovering from strokes.




good point, there are plenty of medical uses that the plant provides for prisoners, I wasn't really speaking in that sense though. There are plenty of those who are perfectly fine ripping off the patients approved for recieving it as a medicine however, so it would still need to be closely controlled... perhaps sectioning off a portion of the prison that the prisoners are administrated their cannabis meds in the form of edibles or tincture... but edibles only in the form of bran muffins because hey you're still in jail buddy.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23796487 - 11/03/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I never even mentioned alcohol. I also included "other debilitating conditions" which was meant to include people like cancer patients who are using it. But if you were to take all the med card patients and subtract the ones using it for reasons like cancer pains or arthritis or anything that's actually serious, you'd be left with a shit load of 20 somethings that "need it to sleep", "need it to eat", "need it for headaches" etc.



Reply fail , I was talking to third eye when he said medical marijuana is no different than him having four beers at night. I said in my first posts if they can prove that it's an effective medication it really should be a possibility. I wonder how many people get extremely sick and waste tons of money getting scans, anti-nausea medication or anti-depressants and other pharms simply because they can't smoke weed. I feel like it would dramatically cut down the need for immediate medical attention through the prison system.  Also like I said before I don't necessarily think it's a great idea in prison for most people .

I do understand what you're saying, most my friends that smoke cannabis can easily get a card and usually don't have medical problems. However someone like myself or my ex-girlfriend Who have a documented medical history since a young age, it really can be a lifesaver. I saw the best gastroenterologist in California,in Loma Linda U and  after extensive tests  they determined that the best thing for me off the record it was medical marijuana. So to generalize that into "millennial's" are all faking medical conditions  is an extremely cynical view point .  My ex-girlfriend is the only person I've ever met that I know for sure needs medical cannabis just as much as I do. She has bad seizures, migraines and incredible stomach pains. The seizures are bad though,she had to go to the hospital several times recently before I was with her. With the help of medical cannabis she doesn't have any seizures at all.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23796508 - 11/03/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If they can't have cigarettes or alcohol, there's no argument you could ever make that is going to give them access to weed.



Sone jails and prisons allow e-cigs. So what about the possibility of them getting a marijuana ecig?

I know this would obviously never happen though.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: ak47myth]
    #23796539 - 11/03/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There's still the recreational aspect to overcome regardless of delivery method. People can call it medicine or whatever all they want, there's still a massive population that only see it as a recreational drug and like I said earlier, a lot of people aren't too keen on making prisoner's lives more comfortable or enjoyable.

Plus with the way the FDA is coming down on the industry, I wouldn't be too surprised if ecigs are abolished from prisons and jails entirely in the near future.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23796549 - 11/03/16 01:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It all depends really. I wouldnt want to put tax dollars to giving rapists, serial murderers or pedos access to smoking weed. Let alone a lot of other things.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23796610 - 11/03/16 03:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yes,

They should also have hookers, blow, mushrooms, and should be able to leave whenever they like, because we know they'd come back for the weed


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: my3rdeye]
    #23796654 - 11/03/16 03:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"medicinal beer"

:lol:

Thats some funny shit.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23796656 - 11/03/16 03:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

A lot of alcoholics get hooked on it's anxiolytic or anti-depressive qualities.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23796658 - 11/03/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

huh.

It prevents depression?


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23796659 - 11/03/16 03:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It sounds weird because it's a depressant but it's certainly an effect I've witnessed abused.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23796662 - 11/03/16 03:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So weird. But makes sense. Basically numbs you so you cant become depressed. Ive seen my friend go thru it while drunk, its pretty sad.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #23796776 - 11/03/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
It sounds weird because it's a depressant but it's certainly an effect I've witnessed abused.




there is a response from dopaminergic receptors in the mesolimbic system from acetaldehyde, which is what is formed from enzymes breaking it down.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796828 - 11/03/16 07:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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yea that's what i was thinking, like they could send them to a separate room where it can be administered and then send them back to their dorms. that way they can't slang it or use it as tax like what happened with the cigs..





did you just say "dorms"

prison isnt college man :lol:


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Adolin]
    #23796836 - 11/03/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It's prison for fucks sake.
You wanna start giving them ice cream too?


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    #23796846 - 11/03/16 07:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Free weed in prisons would probably lead to stoners going to prison deliberately


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