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OfflinePagliacci
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Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips
    #23795945 - 11/02/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Is it possible to actually get to the higher stages of tripping that have been reported? Are there any tricks to getting there? Now with an abundant supply, I keep upping my dose (waiting 2+ weeks between trips) and the experience has seemed to plateau to weak LSD visuals at the climax. I've gotten up to 8g and typically eat them ground into a spoonful of pb. I've tried tea too when doing a 6g dose. Please help me reach the cosmic shores I've bathed in when on good LSD.


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: Pagliacci]
    #23796156 - 11/02/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Up the dosage. 

Or more practically, grow the best shrooms you possibly can and THEN up the dosage.  Quality (as in fresh harvest, best growth conditions, strain) makes a big difference when you're pushing the limits.

Make tea instead of eating them; make tea from fresh picked for the best results.


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #23796258 - 11/02/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Wait a month between
and between trips remember healthy diet,
practice meditation, yoga, dancing etc.
Stop chasing higher experience, relax.

It might be that you are standing in your way
and still just learning to surrender,
of course upping the dosage will help it.

You might surprise yourself
how everything is so much more than visuals. :wink:

Much love!


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: Ziu]
    #23796306 - 11/02/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i agree, make sure youre not in your own way. sometimes when you want/expect the substance to blow your mind instead you'll find yourself underwhelmed and in control with just lots of visuals.

Mushrooms rarely disappoint, ime.


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23796344 - 11/02/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Meditate through a trip. Treat everything as a distraction and allow it to be exactly as it is without participating. If you don't give in to the trip you're rewarded in a manner of speaking...


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: Pagliacci]
    #23796350 - 11/02/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Dosage and tolerance won't do shit. Honestly, if it's gonna happen it's gonna happen. What many people don't realize is that these experiences are so subjective that the entire thing could be drastically different for another individual, even if the potency of the experience is effecting them the same. A ++++ to one guy might be a visual masterpiece, another person it might be mostly in their head. Like I said, what happens, happens.


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23796367 - 11/02/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

By yourself in silent darkness. Have fun trancending!


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23796373 - 11/02/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What is transcendence? Is it seeing or knowing? Or is it something you can define at all? I can know things with the lights on. I just feel like OP is asking for a synopsis for this novel but it's actually a copy of Where's Waldo?


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23796387 - 11/02/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've read tons of posts about people mixing them w/ lemon juice to up the experience. Search for that.


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: irequirechocolate] * 1
    #23796826 - 11/03/16 07:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Like McKenna used to say (not his exact words) once you have tested the waters dont screw around with the dosage
5 grams silent darkness is the starting point but definatly not the end point dude
MAOI's help quite a bit IME the can increase the dosage by around double
Theres this happy medium i have found between where its not enough and the hurricane
What i refer to as the hurricane is the merciless psychedelic chaos sill just rip you apart over and over again, but bringing anything back from it is damn near impossible


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: Filterhead462]
    #23796841 - 11/03/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What I have done for a while because of often crap liberty cap seasons where I live is take mushrooms with either turmeric and black pepper (maybe 2 teaspoons of turmeric and quarter teaspoon of black pepper) or rather take the turmeric and pepper 20/30 minutes before eating the mushrooms. The other thing I use more often is syrian rue seeds (maybe 2 grams) chewed up good and swallowed (20/30 minutes before eating the mushies). Iv'e had good effects with both ways and it adds kind of a protecting spirit feel to the trip as well as making the trip far more intense. I can take a lot less mushrooms these ways and get a good strong trip.

Mushroomhuasca is another way, either boiling up syrian rue seeds or turmeric and black pepper first and then adding the mushrooms for the last part of the brew. It works pretty well. Mushroom tea with or without turmeric or rue hits a lot faster and heavier with a shorter duration of trip generally, although the addition of the maoi can make the trip last longer than plain mushroom tea.

I actually prefer the mushrooms with either maoi source rather than on their own.


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23797480 - 11/03/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Transcendence goes beyond seeing and knowing, you transcend this corporeal form that requires sight and knowing


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23797602 - 11/03/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly. That actually barely means anything :lol: which is why the experience is so incredibly subjective and differing from person to person, and trip to trip. A ++++ does not inherently mean anything, it's just something you know you experience. Shulgin said it himself.


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: Pagliacci]
    #23798357 - 11/03/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

One should try to wear headphones before coming up..
it matters not a lot if they are turned on or not..

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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: Pagliacci]
    #23804473 - 11/05/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Up the dosage.




This. It's the underlying dosage which is important - if the mushrooms are not very potent, or you have a high natural tolerance for them, you might need to eat a larger weight of shrooms than is normal.

I think there is a kind of tipping point with shrooms. You can be in a trip which doesn't actually seem that strong, the visuals are nothing astounding, and then the trip gradually gets more crazy until you find yourself coming out of a daydream realizing that your thoughts are completely delusional and the wall in front of you has changed into a glowing 12ft-high stepped-pyramid.

Typically I like to redose when I trip, after either 60 mins or 90 mins. I'm not necessarily suggesting you try this (it can be hard to get right) but I do notice that for a very strong trip, where I split the dose 50/50 the first portion is usually enough to get moderate shroom visuals where indistinct letters and numbers float within the wall and floor. This initial dose reaches the kind of "plateau" you talk about, until the redose kicks in and depth charges the trip into something much more grandiose and/or terrifying.

It suggests to me that if X grams gives you modest OEV but not that much of a trip, doubling it should be enough for something seriously crazy. I wouldn't suggest to anyone to do this in one giant leap of dosage (bad idea) but just work your way up methodically and carefully until the trips get crazy enough for you.

As for trips being subjective.... only up to a point. There is nothing very subtle about an extremely strong trip - the writhing cauldron of CEV behind your eyes is either there or its not. Transcendence is a bit more open to interpretation but the sheer power is something you can feel and see.

One subjective element that might be causing you to underestimate how close you are to a breakthrough is if you are fairly used to tripping hard but you are looking for telltale signs that are specific to LSD. You talk about getting "weak LSD visuals" but maybe you are framing the experience too rigidly on your expectations of a good LSD trip.

I find that mushrooms, and mushroom visuals, can be very subtle.....until they aren't, and then you think "holy fuck!" and try to remember not to doubt how strong the experience, and the visuals, can get.

My point is....... you may be getting quite close to a "runaway chain-reaction" of a trip, even though the experiences you are currently having feel a bit underwhelming.

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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: Aldebaran]
    #23804487 - 11/05/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Fresh lemon tek tea, silent darkness.


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: Aldebaran]
    #23804503 - 11/05/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Aldebaran said:

I find that mushrooms, and mushroom visuals, can be very subtle.....until they aren't, and then you think "holy fuck!" and try to remember not to doubt how strong the experience, and the visuals, can get.

:feelsshroomyman:




I second this. Especially when cannabis is added to the mix.


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23805185 - 11/06/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
What is transcendence? Is it seeing or knowing? Or is it something you can define at all? I can know things with the lights on. I just feel like OP is asking for a synopsis for this novel but it's actually a copy of Where's Waldo?




Its like the word, "enlightened." Its thrown around quite a bit but, what is it? I don't think there really is a way to explain that "knowing" or more importantly, that place of "being." I think of Goku going super sayain as transcending. A "realistic" approach through psychedelics would be exploring your consciousness and reaching new depths. Coming back anew.


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: finalexplosion]
    #23805214 - 11/06/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

1. take a long break from any pyschedelic drugs so you have no tolerance
1. increase dosage if necessary
2. prepare with lemon tea/lemon tek
3. lie down in darkness with a long playlist of meditative, deep music
4. meditate as you allow the drugs to kick in and continue meditating as the trip continues
5. do not fight the trip, do not question or try to change the course, simply passively observe and continue to meditate, allow the mushrooms and music to guide your thoughts and visions.

If you do those things you will have a very introspective trip and reach higher levels with the same dose than if say, you were out taking a walk or dancing with friends. Basically, if you close your eyes and meditate, focus on your being and awareness, you will start to go deeper and deeper. Distractions like TV, friends, being outside, all of that stuff can be fun and enjoyable but it will keep you in this world rather than turning inward and going deep.  :shrug:


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Re: Requested tips on how to get to higher levels of shroom trips [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23805481 - 11/06/16 06:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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