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Natural trichoderma in coir - Good or bad?
    #23795323 - 11/02/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hello fellow shroomerites.

I'm making a monotub soon and i'm going to use a coir tek.
The coir i can find is the one below.

What caught my attention here is that the packaging says "Natural trichoderma". Is good, bad or neither?
I will ofc pasteurize my substrate containing the coir when it comes to that.



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Re: Natural trichoderma in coir - Good or bad? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23795533 - 11/02/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the trich dies in the bucket anyway. no need for proper pasteurization.


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Re: Natural trichoderma in coir - Good or bad? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23795675 - 11/02/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That particular coir is more suited for horticulture.  If you pasteurize, you should be fine.  Only one way to find out....try it.


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Re: Natural trichoderma in coir - Good or bad? [Re: WeavieWonder]
    #23795713 - 11/02/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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That particular coir is more suited for horticulture.  If you pasteurize, you should be fine.  Only one way to find out....try it.




horticultural coir is my new favorite. I'm not sure I'll go back to reptile bedding quality coir.


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Re: Natural trichoderma in coir - Good or bad? [Re: dankington]
    #23796587 - 11/03/16 02:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah trying it would give me an answer but ufortuantley im battling metabolies a bit, so i dont wanna introduce more bacterias than possible.

Drunkington- how do you prep this kind of coir?


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Re: Natural trichoderma in coir - Good or bad? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23796708 - 11/03/16 05:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

fascinating :popcorn:

EDIT: Best way to prep is the Bucket Tek


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Re: Natural trichoderma in coir - Good or bad? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23796855 - 11/03/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I was thinking that i'd do a monotub with the coir as substrate though.
And then pasteurize it in jars in my PC. I guess that'll work?

I did find some Exo terra plantation soil i think i'll buy instead.


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Re: Natural trichoderma in coir - Good or bad? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23796962 - 11/03/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No i disagree best prep is oven pasteurization. If you can get it down you don't even have to use cvg anymore. Pc jar pasteurization work if doing one tub but if your doing 4 or 5 at a time the oven cooking wins


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Re: Natural trichoderma in coir - Good or bad? [Re: tump]
    #23796990 - 11/03/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

A bucket would be fine for prep too.


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Re: Natural trichoderma in coir - Good or bad? [Re: tump]
    #23796996 - 11/03/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Jar pasteurization doesn't have to be done in a PC lol a massive pot and a lid is fine

If you don't have a lid for massive pots, use foil xD


These are old ass pics with my old ass PCs xD

Oven pasteurization is good too, provided you start off at a decently high temp by mixing in hot water.


But seriously, coir doesn't need any pasteurization you're not trying to keep any beneficial bacteria, there is no beneficial bacteria. Trich dies at 130F for 30 minutes, so realistically anything you do will kill the trich off.


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Re: Natural trichoderma in coir - Good or bad? [Re: dankington]
    #23797036 - 11/03/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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spacechildo said:
the trich dies in the bucket anyway. no need for proper pasteurization.



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TheShroomster01 said:
Yeah trying it would give me an answer but ufortuantley im battling metabolies a bit, so i dont wanna introduce more bacterias than possible.

Drunkington- how do you prep this kind of coir?



You need clean spawn or it doesn't matter how careful you prepare any substrate

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fascinating :popcorn:

EDIT: Best way to prep is the Bucket Tek



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A bucket would be fine for prep too.





Worst way to go is using an oven. Best way to go is using the bucket
Second best way with coir is proper pasteurization


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Re: Natural trichoderma in coir - Good or bad? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23799967 - 11/04/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have to be impressed by the ingenuity of that PC tek Mad Season.

I think that i've become obsessed with sterilization after starting this hobby.
So no matter what scenario i'm thinking about when doing the mixing of spawn and sub i'm afraid of bacterias.. The paranoia...

I know i need clean spawn but i startet out with a MS so i kindda asked for it i guess.
I will be starting from agar the next time. Might as well find me a monoculture at first..

But i guess as i see it you're all saying the bucket prep is more than enough.


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Re: Natural trichoderma in coir - Good or bad? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23799977 - 11/04/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've never had any problems with oven "pasteurizing". (Though I guess that doesn't mean anything.....)  I've done at least 30 tubs with this method and not once have I had a damning contamination. (Though there has been bacterial contaminations, but only semi aggressive.)

Also, that "Natural Trich" is something they use in the composting process.  It's not really a big deal, it'll die in the pasteurization/sterilization process.


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