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musiclover420
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Re: Kratom.,.PLEASE READ [Re: krypto2000]
#23801512 - 11/04/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you think cannabis legalization would have made it as far without the internet? Possibly but I feel the internet sped things up immensely.
If it wasn't for the internet kratom might be schedule 1 right now as well. So it may not have had a direct impact on legislation but it still has had some.
Some things are the same for sure, many in fact. But we are slowly getting somewhere I like to think. There has definitely been some progress.
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krypto2000
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I agree with you. The internet definitely has helped and opinions have changed, I just don't think it's as much as people tend to think.
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musiclover420
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Re: Kratom.,.PLEASE READ [Re: krypto2000]
#23801621 - 11/04/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I agree with you. The internet definitely has helped and opinions have changed, I just don't think it's as much as people tend to think.
That is hard to gauge though. I bet if you broke it down into age groups it would look roughly like:
20 and under = 50-100% opinion change
20-40 50-20% opinion change
40+ 20% and under change in opinion.
I agree with you too partly, we definitely could use or even need more change but there has been a lot of positive movements started.
Look at MAPS and other organizations who have made great strides in drug research. As long as we keep it up in another 20-40 years we could be done with this horrendous war on drugs.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Amanita86
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This kind of reminds me of a motley crue interview. They wanted to make a certain video, but knew mtv wouldnt give it the green light, so they made one above and beyond "offensive", whatever word you want to use..
And then negotiated back and forth until their intended version was given the green light...and aired.
Kratom, schedule 1, sounds insane right?. Play the wave, pull back.. swing forward with something a little less intense, "schedule 2" whatever... at the end of the day, they get what they wanted, and the people's feeling of "riot" has leaked away..
Kratom is going down, bet your ass. It's just going to take a minute, so that the 'masses' fall back to sleep.
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Re: Kratom.,.PLEASE READ [Re: Amanita86]
#23801925 - 11/04/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's the secret man... certain laws don't need abolished, the way this country 'works' and 'acts' and conducts itself on a daily basis does..
The decision isn't 'hillary or trump'. It's the entire process that needs to leave...the world. But people will never be accountable for their actions as a whole, and at the end of the day, we're violent territorial primates. Dominance and illusion are god, in nature. And last I checked, we still live in nature.
Have fun being one step above a monkey..
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krypto2000
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musiclover420 said:
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krypto2000 said: I agree with you. The internet definitely has helped and opinions have changed, I just don't think it's as much as people tend to think.
That is hard to gauge though. I bet if you broke it down into age groups it would look roughly like:
20 and under = 50-100% opinion change
20-40 50-20% opinion change
40+ 20% and under change in opinion.
I agree with you too partly, we definitely could use or even need more change but there has been a lot of positive movements started.
Look at MAPS and other organizations who have made great strides in drug research. As long as we keep it up in another 20-40 years we could be done with this horrendous war on drugs.
My view is more so that the internet has given people a voice that did not have one before. For instance, while I don't disagree completely with your above numbers I'd say it's more like:
20 and under - opinions did not change so much as form and the internet has allowed us to hear this group that would otherwise be outright ignored. They still largely do not vote so while it's more talked about it doesn't have a large impact, at least not yet. In the 60's these people would have had the same view, I don't think this demographic has changed much. Well I don't think any has really.
20-40 - some opinions change, but for the most part I don't think they have, less than 10% have changed. There is some overlap with the above in that the internet has given them more of a voice.
40+ - little if any change at all. Half still don't even use the internet in much capacity and still ignore all facts that conflict with their own opinion.
As people age I think they have given up hope and tend to become more reserved with sharing their opinions since it doesn't change much and no one who doesn't already agree will really listen, this goes for both sides of the fence, those who are intelligent and are open to knowledge and those who are ignorant and want to arrest everyone for being culturally different.
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TempestDnB
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MDMA wasn't really used recreationally until Sasha Shulgin repopularized it in the late 70s I believe? This is just off the top of my head
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thelastoneleft
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Re: Kratom.,.PLEASE READ [Re: TempestDnB]
#23818011 - 11/10/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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TempestDnB said: MDMA wasn't really used recreationally until Sasha Shulgin repopularized it in the late 70s I believe? This is just off the top of my head
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TempestDnB said: MDMA wasn't really used recreationally until Sasha Shulgin repopularized it in the late 70s I believe? This is just off the top of my head
Fair point, uhm Kratom I doubt will be legal past 2017.. Stock up if you want. I do think, a large dose would help Heroin and opiod users, slowly decreasing the dosage via time period It stand all to contemplation still.
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musiclover420
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It has so many uses it is insane. Treating addiction is just one aspect of it. Kratom could be the next coffee/ tobacco/ cannabis honestly.
I would bet money that every 1/5 people or more could benefit from kratom one way or another. Maybe even more then 50% considering it helps with pain/ anxiety/ depression, it can be stimulating and or sedating to various degrees and works great along with or as a coffee substitute. I have heard it increases libido and enhances sex for some even. Not to mention its various medicinal effects.
We need to keep it legal at the very least so it can be sufficiently researched.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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A.RichardTrickle
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TempestDnB said: Oh yeah? people were raving and rolling in the 60s?
Sorry typo. Meant the 70s although it was first synthesized in the 1900s so I assume someone somewhere tried mdma before the 70s.
Good lord, a 10 second google search proved what I already knew, but wanted sources to make you look silly so maybe you will stop spreading false info or just talking out your ass.... My parents took X in bars in the early 80s.... legally. Source: http://www.nytimes.com/1985/06/01/us/us-will-ban-ecstasy-a-hallucinogenic-drug.html
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krypto2000
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musiclover420 said: It has so many uses it is insane. Treating addiction is just one aspect of it. Kratom could be the next coffee/ tobacco/ cannabis honestly.
I would bet money that every 1/5 people or more could benefit from kratom one way or another. Maybe even more then 50% considering it helps with pain/ anxiety/ depression, it can be stimulating and or sedating to various degrees and works great along with or as a coffee substitute. I have heard it increases libido and enhances sex for some even. Not to mention its various medicinal effects.
We need to keep it legal at the very least so it can be sufficiently researched.
That could literally be said about almost any drug though, especially plant sourced ones. Opium, mushrooms, lsd, khat, coca, etc. Yet look what happened. People liking something and it having benefits have little to nothing to do with drug laws. Haven't you figured that out by now?
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