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friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down
    #23794775 - 11/02/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So you'll have to bear with me as I'm hearing this all second hand and don't even know the guy. The story is in the title for the most part, took 4 grams, is not a first timer. Seems to be coming down very slowly but is still up there enough to be scribbling gibberish. Been two full days since he dosed.

Nobody involved knows what to do, only thing I can think of is to take some sort of antipsychotic, but I know nothing about such drugs.

Crazy that this kind of thing can happen, any advice would be much appreciated. I mean imagine if this happened to you or somebody you were tripping with O.o


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23794812 - 11/02/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Jesus that is some scary stuff. Are you guys all right? :hug:

Sounds to me he triggered some sort of psychotic episode.
If he seems to be coming down, that is good. Give him plenty of fruit and water. Yoghurt and fish are good, too.
And take him on walks! It does wonders for the brain.

If it doesn't look like he gets better, an anti-psychotic would be the thing to dose him with, yeah... and if that doesn't work, man man man, he's in serious trouble and needs medical assistance.
But only call the hospital as a last resort, he might just be processing a lot of things right now and needs all the support and love he can get.

Good luck man, I'll check this thread tommorow again. Let us know how it goes!


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Turtletotem]
    #23794829 - 11/02/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I really wish I could be there with the guy, I very much agree with your proposed course of action. But the decision on what to do with him is totally out of my control and they talk like if its not better by tonight they're taking him to the hospital

I hope I can at least talk them into giving him CBD oil before that, which is an anti psychotic.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23794844 - 11/02/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Lots of milk might help. When i ground up my shrooms and mixed them in chocolate milk, I didn't trip at all. When I looked up why, everything I found talked about milk being a natural anti-poison.

I also hear xanax is a trip-killer, but I have no experience with that, I don't mess with those and couldn't recommend it cause I don't know. Could be worth looking up tho.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Psilosopherr] * 1
    #23794851 - 11/02/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think not talking to him like he's crazy might be a good start.. I know sometimes these things get blown way out of proportion and just make the tripper feel worse/crazier..

Not enough details tho to really say anything..


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: zZZz]
    #23794897 - 11/02/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I hear you zzzz

I'm talking to somebody who's at least one friend closer to the situation now and it sounds like it may have been blown out of proportion.

I think possibly the effects have been extended by drug interactions and he's merely coming down slowly.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: thebug76]
    #23795068 - 11/02/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Lots of milk might help.....






If someone is displaying signs of psychosis, or still tripping 2 days after they ate mushrooms...I don't at all see how drinking some milk is going to help :shrug:  :lol:  .


Even while one is tripping...drinking some milk isn't going to do a damn thing.







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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: openmind]
    #23795158 - 11/02/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

HE NEEDS SOME MILK.

Jk milk obviously wont help. tell him to drink alcohol. It effects GABA similarly to xanax and other benzos which people use to kill trips.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: openmind]
    #23795198 - 11/02/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

glad you're so certain.

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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23795460 - 11/02/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely give him a Xanax or a klonopin or a valium or some sort of benzo. :shrug:

If he's adopted a messianic narrative or starts talking about God and demons and angels and things, he's having a schizophrenic episode and you need to call 911 to have him taken to a hospital where they can give him real heavy duty antipsychotics to snap him back to reality.

In the meantime, just try to get him to take a benzo and see if some rest and a benzo gets him back to normal.

I tripped for weeks and weeks when I took a quarter sheet of LSD, I definitely had a schizophrenic breakdown. People didn't tell me I was acting crazy until I ended up in the mental hospital. Try to gently convey to your friend that the appropriate amount of time for him to be acting like he's on drugs is over if you can, and see what kind of response you get.

"These mushrooms worn off for you yet, man?" "How's your trip feeling?" Something like that. It's important to figure out what his mind is hung up on. If he's forgotten that he took drugs and now he's just sort of lost, he might need medical attention. Does he have a family? Have they interacted with him at all, and how has he responded?


Really sorry to hear op about your friend, man. I know how it feels to get stuck in a forever trip and I hope he comes back to reality pretty soon. :hug:


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: WeAreMushroom]
    #23795508 - 11/02/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The psychosis will go away eventually once he realizes where he's at and it wears off sometimes it can take up to 2 weeks, this is why it's important to have people that know what the fuk they're talking about around not panicked idiots.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Turtletotem]
    #23795527 - 11/02/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Jesus that is some scary stuff. Are you guys all right? :hug:

Sounds to me he triggered some sort of psychotic episode.
If he seems to be coming down, that is good. Give him plenty of fruit and water. Yoghurt and fish are good, too.
And take him on walks! It does wonders for the brain.

If it doesn't look like he gets better, an anti-psychotic would be the thing to dose him with, yeah... and if that doesn't work, man man man, he's in serious trouble and needs medical assistance.
But only call the hospital as a last resort, he might just be processing a lot of things right now and needs all the support and love he can get.

Good luck man, I'll check this thread tommorow again. Let us know how it goes!



Hmm time heals your advice on fish and walks is honest but I guarantee the guy will be fine in less than a week.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: SinSemilla]
    #23797331 - 11/03/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

this morning is the 60 hour mark, no improvement. They didn't take any of my advice and will be taking him to the hospital today :sad:


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23797429 - 11/03/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

In my experience and research mental illness is caused by too much trauma/negative imprints which has imbued the mind which so much fear that it becomes disturbed in it's thoughts and identity. Psychedelics can bring up this trauma which then needs to be dealt with.

The cure is really creating peace of mind with meditation, feeling the fears/trauma to release it and to rest as the still consciousness that you are instead of going with the thoughts and delusions all the time. Charles Whitfield is a good psychiatrist to learn more about this.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: alwaysbenice]
    #23798643 - 11/03/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Have you read True Hallucinations? This happened to Dennis McKennA in the jungle


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: mushpunx]
    #23798733 - 11/03/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thats what this reminded me of!!

Do you remember what exactly triggered that? Couldn't remember if it was maoi or if they did voodoo magic with live mycelium


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23804291 - 11/05/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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this morning is the 60 hour mark, no improvement. They didn't take any of my advice and will be taking him to the hospital today




I've just read this thread.....what's the latest? The benzo idea sounded quite sensible; a hospital is quite likely to administer something like this if they get somebody in who is majorly tripping out. Things might improve after a good sleep, especially if someone has been awake the entire time....

I think some cases of this sort are basically a drug-induced manic episode which may last for a few days, after which the person is fine and has no further issues (i.e its due to an unusual reaction to a trip rather than any particular underlying mental issue).

An interesting example where someone can be batshit crazy for a few days and then go back to normal is here - I've linked it before because it's a good story!

LSD psychosis aftermath "my multiple day descent into madness"

Anyway I hope the friend-of-a-friend is slowly coming back down to earth.....

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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Aldebaran]
    #23804310 - 11/05/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Grim stuff been through similar a few times always been the sleep dep thats made it worse and because I was so fucked I couldnt sleep and the longer I stayed awake the worse it got destructive cycle. Diazepam always the best answer for me and does a fucking damn fine job of stopping a trip in its tracks for me.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23805152 - 11/05/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah I really wish I could be there with the guy, I very much agree with your proposed course of action. But the decision on what to do with him is totally out of my control and they talk like if its not better by tonight they're taking him to the hospital

I hope I can at least talk them into giving him CBD oil before that, which is an anti psychotic.




O think he needs some medical assistance. I am a noob but that long is ridiculous. I indulged not nearly that much but, it still sent me off into another world. I had a bad trip over 3-4hrs and that was unbearable. I cannot imagine days like that.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: alwaysbenice]
    #23805240 - 11/06/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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alwaysbenice said:
In my experience and research mental illness is caused by too much trauma/negative imprints which has imbued the mind which so much fear that it becomes disturbed in it's thoughts and identity. Psychedelics can bring up this trauma which then needs to be dealt with.

The cure is really creating peace of mind with meditation, feeling the fears/trauma to release it and to rest as the still consciousness that you are instead of going with the thoughts and delusions all the time. Charles Whitfield is a good psychiatrist to learn more about this.



Pandoras box kind of thing...need good pals around him. Benzos would be a good move to bring the tempo down a bit.
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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: littlespider]
    #23810600 - 11/07/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I guess he finally came down, all the way down.

Doesn't sound like they ever went to the hospital or got an anti-psychotic.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23810708 - 11/07/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thats good to hear

maybe u can talk him into writing a trip report :tongue:


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: zZZz]
    #23810826 - 11/07/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yeah for real, I want to at least hear a brief summary of the experience from the guy.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23817593 - 11/09/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Really weird new twist, he slipped back into psychosis.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23817947 - 11/09/16 11:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I would be very concerned for this guy, clearly he's having some sort of crisis and needs professional help. If any of his friends were responsible adults they would look into getting him into some sort of hospital or ward.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Matai]
    #23817997 - 11/09/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Matai]
    #23817998 - 11/09/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Have u kicked it with him lately?..

Maybe u can take him hiking or just a walk in the parking, and Maybe have a feel beers..

He needs to get out of his head


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: zZZz]
    #23818528 - 11/10/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe a stern kick to the nuts ?  (proverbial nuts)

Jump into a cold pool.

Take a long early morning walk through the woods and just listen to the guy for a few hours so he can spill the beans and get it off his shoulders out of his head you know?

Sometimes things get blurred(perception of the world/ mental faculties/ memory/language/cognition/identity pillars/ walls / borders) for a few weeks after taking hallucinogens, sometimes the breakthrough to altered states and/or the personal insight is just so powerful and unbelievable and astonishing that it takes months to allow slow but steady assimilation and reintegration of the Psyche. 

  Contact someone who knows about handling psychedelic(use google)- after trip - crisis and has some medical/psych training and talk to them and ask for suggestions and what to do next if something has to be done.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23819263 - 11/10/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Is he still smoking weed?...If so...stop it.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23819268 - 11/10/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Is he still smoking weed?...If so...stop it.



Qft. He should Stop it for sevral weeks/months.

If he is infact smoking weed.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23819766 - 11/10/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Weed is what caused me to go nuts. It was never the main psychs...ALWAYS weed. Odd..i know


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23820486 - 11/10/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Oreilly, Weed while you were on psychs did it or weed alone?


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23820505 - 11/10/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Oreilly, Weed while you were on psychs did it or weed alone?





Weed alone. Well it wasnt weed..it was daily BHO smoking.

Ive been to 4 psych wards ALL from BHO. Youd think id finally realize i cant smoke the stuff anymore but i keep going back to it thinking i can handle it

I have no idea what it is that makes me go crazy with the hash oil..i mean i hit it HARD but still i dont see it happening to anyone else

Tripping has never ever ever been a problem psychologically for me. Its even shocking to me


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23820528 - 11/10/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Very interesting. Do you do ok with flower? Maybe you have some sort of weird butane allergy.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23820595 - 11/10/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Very interesting. Do you do ok with flower? Maybe you have some sort of weird butane allergy.






A butane allergy?...


I'd think the enormous levels of THC and relatively low levels of CBD in hash oil has A LOT more to do with it than minuscule traces of butane causing an allergic reaction that consists of psychosis.







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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23820695 - 11/10/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Very interesting. Do you do ok with flower? Maybe you have some sort of weird butane allergy.



butane combusts cleanly producing co2 and h2o and it evaporates at a low temperature.

I bet its easier to inhaile butane from using a bic lihgter for a bong or pipe.

Weed is a pretty strong drug it can make people flip out. It happens all the time.

Its not so weird that one would have to invent new reactions to a compound that is used soooo commonly that everyone is exposed to at some point and has never before documented to explain it. He was clearly just high as fuck.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23820826 - 11/10/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah its nothing to do with the butane. Its clearly the high amount of THC.

Regular flower never has done it to me. I just get to a point im smoking all day..so i just get overloaded with thc but once i sober out pf it my brain chemicals all come back to normal..it ususally takes a month after the initial psychotic break


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23820834 - 11/10/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well shit, that devils lettuce is powerful


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That the powerful play goes on, and you will contribute a verse.”
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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23820953 - 11/10/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It has to do with the constant state of intoxication "overlapping" itself in my mind to the point i break.

Thats why it doesnt happen when i trip..because i dont trip everyday or anything close to it


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23821001 - 11/10/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

For me its the anxiety that is worse the less tolerant i have. The first smoke of the day can be horrible but the second is mostly good and after that its always good.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23821889 - 11/11/16 04:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's cray, I feel lucky to be able to enjoy tree with no problems. Never makes me feel worse or anything, always gives my trips a little boost, makes me feel relaxed on the comedowns, idk. Never been on crazy hash oil binges though.


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23822039 - 11/11/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
For me its the anxiety that is worse the less tolerant i have. The first smoke of the day can be horrible but the second is mostly good and after that its always good.





Yeah thats extremely common with me as well.

What i learned was that if i dont have tolerance and its the first smoke of the day..to be really really careful and to only take 1 hit. If 1 hit is too much then just take 1 hit but dont hold the smoke in your lungs for long


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: friend of a friend took a medium dose of mushrooms 2 full days ago, has not come down [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23829423 - 11/13/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thats crazy the only time i used to wig on weed was when i thought i was gonna get busted. Now that im older,  fuck ittttt hahaa


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