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streetmagick
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Tiny unidentified blueing Pluteus in sweden!?
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Ok, here's an mushroom I stumbled on earlier this fall. Since I did this finding 1.5 months ago I have been out in the forest 1-3 hour every day trying to hunt down the "pluteus salicinus" but so far with no luck. I think I have found up to 6-7 different pluteus species but nothing similar to the shroom in this post, and certainly not p. salicinus 
When I first did the finding of this grey little shroom, I thought "this one looks like an pl. salicinus, but isn't to small!?!". I took the mushrooms(there is three of them)home and dried them. At first the stem was bruising grey at the bottom and one day later it actually went almost blue. Not much but with good will and in daylight it's blueish-green shimmering..
After over 100(maybe up to 200) pluteus findings this fall, I haven't seen anything similar to this one and certainly not any pluteus this small. So now I really want to hear your comments on this one. Is it possible that p. salicinus can get this small, can it be an in Sweden/northern Europe rare pluteus specie, or is it not an pluteus at all??
Thanks in advance!
Habitat: On dead wood, probably an old aspen tree.
Gills: Pink
Stem: Length: 3-4cm, diameter: 2mm, color: Whiteish to grey (bluegreen?)
Cap: Diameter: 2cm color: grey-brown to grey, darker grey to black towards the center.
Spore print color: Pinkish, same color as other pluteus species
Bruising: Grey to blue-greenish
Edited by streetmagick (11/03/16 04:02 PM)
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Alan Rockefeller
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Looks a bit small for Pluteus salicinus - so maybe it's Pluteus cyanopus. You found it in Europe, right?
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streetmagick
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Yes! Northern Europe, Sweden!
I showed the pictures to an swedish mycologist and he was also suggesting p. cyanopus. I do not know if p. cyanopus has been found in Sweden or in northern Europe before. So if it is P. cyanopus i'm more than glad!
Edited by streetmagick (11/02/16 01:59 PM)
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Alan Rockefeller
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It would be best if you could send it to a Pluteus expert - I wonder if Alfredo Justo is working on these right now.
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streetmagick
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How do I come in contact with this Alfredo Justo, or any other pluteus expert? Maybe you can send the link of this thread to him/someone?
Edited by streetmagick (11/03/16 03:55 AM)
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Alan Rockefeller
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If you google him, his gmail comes up.
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streetmagick
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Thanks! 
I have sent him an email with a link leading to this thread. I really hope he can help me(us) out with this identification! I also have some other pluteus species on pictures that I want to show for you experts, but nothing as special as this little grey shroom..
This fall I have become an Pluteus lover, they really are wonderful to hunt..
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knarkkorven
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At first the stem was bruising grey at the bottom and one day later it actually went almost blue. Not much but with good will and in daylight it's blueish-green shimmering..
Is it blue or are we just wishing that a somewhat blue-gray color is blue bruising? Are we taking this as a fact and narrowing it down to P. cyanopus just because of this?
Pluteus cyanopus is one of the rarest active Pluteus. It would be very nice you found it, I would be very happy. But it's really hard to make an ID from some photos, reference material (photos) are almost non existent.
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streetmagick
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It is not as blue as most bluing P. Semilanceata. It is more bluegrey. When you look at it under light it is greenishblue shimmering.
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knarkkorven
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I found these photos in a danish mushroom database I recently discovered. It's pretty accurate when it comes to the genuses we are interested in , got photos of the more rare species etc. Here we have two bluing species that definitely isn't P. salicinus, and doesn't look like yours either, but named P. cyanopus. So, perhaps there could be several (more than the two known) bluing species in our part of the world, very rare but existing.
http://svampe.databasen.org/observations/51252 http://svampe.databasen.org/observations/269898
I hope you still have the mushroom so you can send it to Alfredo if he wants to scope it.
Edited by knarkkorven (11/03/16 04:58 PM)
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Very cool find! 
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knarkkorven said: I found these photos in a danish mushroom database I recently discovered. It's pretty accurate when it comes to the genuses we are interested in , got photos of the more rare species etc. Here we have two bluing species that definitely isn't P. salicinus, and doesn't look like yours either, but named P. cyanopus. So, perhaps there could be several (more than the two known) bluing species in our part of the world, very rare but existing.
http://svampe.databasen.org/observations/51252 http://svampe.databasen.org/observations/269898
I hope you still have the mushroom so you can send it to Alfredo if he wants to scope it.
thanks for posting the db, ive been looking for something like that
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knarkkorven said:
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At first the stem was bruising grey at the bottom and one day later it actually went almost blue. Not much but with good will and in daylight it's blueish-green shimmering..
Is it blue or are we just wishing that a somewhat blue-gray color is blue bruising? Are we taking this as a fact and narrowing it down to P. cyanopus just because of this?
Pluteus cyanopus is one of the rarest active Pluteus. It would be very nice you found it, I would be very happy. But it's really hard to make an ID from some photos, reference material (photos) are almost non existent.
I see considerable blueing in the pics posted
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Keep us updated!
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streetmagick
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When I'm looking at the few pictures I can find on Pl. cyanopus I also get pretty sceptic..
The shrooms in the pics from Denmark does not look like other pics on pl. cyanopus at all. If Pl. cyanopus can look like that there is a chance that I have found them this fall. Probably I didn't but I have seen a few similiar ones..
Alfredo Justo have looked at the pics above and he is also suggesting Pl. cyanopus. He's glad that I`ll send him the shrooms so he can take a closer look. Offcourse I'm updating this thread on how it goes..
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knarkkorven
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When I'm looking at the few pictures I can find on Pl. cyanopus I also get pretty sceptic
Like I said, there is a possibility that there are some very rare bluing species not yet described, which is even more interesting... I look forward to hear the updates later 
According to the swedish species database "Artportalen" Pluteus cyanopus has been found three times between 2000-2016, all from the same person on Öland.
Here's a couple from Italy, with microscopy! Probably the best available photos on Internet. http://www.funghiitaliani.it/index.php?showtopic=89477
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