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InvisibleMoonshoe
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Re: My Official [Re: musiclover420]
    #23793996 - 11/02/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Kratom is addictive. It does cause physical dependence and withdrawal that worsens over time.

However, it is much less addictive than almost any other addictive drug. For most, the WD is minor by comparison to most other physically addictive drugs.

The WD takes a very long time to develop and goes away quickly.

As a two year daily kratom user I learned that eventually the WD did appear and got to be pretty unpleasant, but was never horrible.

Comparisons to coffee are pretty accurate. Although the WD symptoms are different, they are of a comparable severity for many. The common symptoms of caffeine withdrawal, headaches/migraine/irritability/fatigue are actually worse than what I got from kratom.

I agree that OP could benefit from kratom at this point. Especially as a way to reduce use of harder opiates.

I would wait on taking LSD or DMT if I was him until my psyche had stabilized. For now pain and depression management would be my priority and that is where kratom shines.

In my experience the benefits of kratom far outweigh the downsides, but dont kid yourself, daily use will lead to WD you will not enjoy.

Also don't kid yourself, kratom WD is orders of magnitude less than the WD from benzos, alcohol, heroin or pharm opiates for the vast majority of people.

I now take kratom mostly on only 50% of days and get virtually zero WD on off days.


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Re: My Official [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23794511 - 11/02/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: My Official [Re: kakashi68] * 1
    #23794539 - 11/02/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
Definitely get some kratom man, if/when I find another cheap/ reliable vendor I will try to let you know!

If you look around you can find it pretty cheap, I have seen it go for 100$-65$/kg domestically which is crazy cheap!

From Asia you can get it 55$/kg or less but you generally need to buy multiple and I am not sure how risky customs are right now, clearly some makes it through :shrug:




Kratom is addictive you know? you surely know this right?

Go take lsd and DMT... much better for solving problems.

What car did you total? like what make model?

You might have PSTD... or at least some sort of mental health problem. Having a addiction and all of this is basically GUARANTEED you have something. Fixing mental health can often lead to fixing addiction. Its no easy task. but best to get it check out.

Here if you need advice on it.





You know man most people take medicine for pain so that they can function in a normal life right?


Also anxiety and flashbacks so recently after an accident or traumatic incident is super common. It doesn't mean he has a mental disorder :facepalm:


How you feeling today ST?


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Re: My Official [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23794635 - 11/02/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
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kakashi68 said:
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musiclover420 said:
Definitely get some kratom man, if/when I find another cheap/ reliable vendor I will try to let you know!

If you look around you can find it pretty cheap, I have seen it go for 100$-65$/kg domestically which is crazy cheap!

From Asia you can get it 55$/kg or less but you generally need to buy multiple and I am not sure how risky customs are right now, clearly some makes it through :shrug:




Kratom is addictive you know? you surely know this right?

Go take lsd and DMT... much better for solving problems.

What car did you total? like what make model?

You might have PSTD... or at least some sort of mental health problem. Having a addiction and all of this is basically GUARANTEED you have something. Fixing mental health can often lead to fixing addiction. Its no easy task. but best to get it check out.

Here if you need advice on it.





You know man most people take medicine for pain so that they can function in a normal life right?


Also anxiety and flashbacks so recently after an accident or traumatic incident is super common. It doesn't mean he has a mental disorder :facepalm:


How you feeling today ST?




Thats not how the world works... Pain pills are not as solution. As said before its just profit. Any real doctor would actually focus on fixing whats wrong with them. No this isnt for all cases. But most dont need pills.


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Re: My Official [Re: kakashi68] * 3
    #23794644 - 11/02/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Aren't you a heroin addict, kakashi68?


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Re: My Official [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #23794662 - 11/02/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Aren't you a heroin addict, kakashi68?




Not for like over 2 months now :stayfunky:



Msybe im just pissy cause I cant have any ahahah

But really In pretty much every country I know cept for murica. Doctors actually want to fix your problem. EG you have back pain... go get some x-rays, tests, ect Get Physio... FIX THE FUCKING PROBLEM. Living on pain pills and getting a 100mg oxy tolerance is doing so much more harm than good.

Theres always other ways.


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Re: My Official [Re: kakashi68]
    #23794687 - 11/02/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah doctors suck at actually treating the problem and not just the symptoms for pretty much everything. But you recommend smoking dmt. Which could possibly help for psychosomatic pain. But on the other hand psychedelics are known for making mental illnesses worse. And if it is a physical issue causing pain, one that has no treatment, that could go badly too. So it has a small chance in helping and a good chance at making everything worse.

If you are to treat the symptoms its best to at least treat the symptom.


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Re: My Official [Re: kakashi68]
    #23794701 - 11/02/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You listen to too much Macklemore.  I agree that there are still a few crooked doctors who should check themselves with the pad, but the problem is nowhere near what it was 7 years ago.  If anything, I feel that it's been over-corrected.  Most doctors are now so afraid of being jailed for playing fast and loose with the painkillers that they're reluctant to prescribe anything even in extreme cases.  Not always, but many doctors are overly conservative.  The damage from the easy script days has been done though: we have a ton of opiate addicted people here who were prescribed and then when their doctors tried to dial it back or cut them off, they switched to heroin.  We have bootleg pharm meds made with fentanyl (this problem is worse in Canada).  But it's not like it was, and if you think that opiate addiction is a problem only in "Murica" (do you know how dumb you sound when you type that?), that only illustrates your ignorance on the topic. 

Good job cleaning up, though.  Those first few months are the toughest; I hope you get through them comfortably and stay out.  Once you're farther removed from it, staying off the h is pretty easy.


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Re: My Official [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #23794713 - 11/02/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hey now, Language of My World is a pretty good album.


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Re: My Official [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #23794715 - 11/02/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:thatsinteresting: :whathesaid:


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Re: My Official [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23794724 - 11/02/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Tbh, I don't listen to him.  I was referencing that 'Drug Dealer' song that is everywhere right now.  I get it, and there's an element of truth to it, but I don't like the song overall.  It sends the wrong message, IMO.


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Re: My Official "Got in a car crash and then overdosed" thread [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23794747 - 11/02/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have never heard of anyone overdosing on soma before. that is nutty.


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Re: My Official [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #23794756 - 11/02/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Burke Dennings said:
Aren't you a heroin addict, kakashi68?




Not for like over 2 months now :stayfunky:



Msybe im just pissy cause I cant have any ahahah

But really In pretty much every country I know cept for murica. Doctors actually want to fix your problem. EG you have back pain... go get some x-rays, tests, ect Get Physio... FIX THE FUCKING PROBLEM. Living on pain pills and getting a 100mg oxy tolerance is doing so much more harm than good.

Theres always other ways.
Quote:

Burke Dennings said:
You listen to too much Macklemore.  I agree that there are still a few crooked doctors who should check themselves with the pad, but the problem is nowhere near what it was 7 years ago.  If anything, I feel that it's been over-corrected.  Most doctors are now so afraid of being jailed for playing fast and loose with the painkillers that they're reluctant to prescribe anything even in extreme cases.  Not always, but many doctors are overly conservative.  The damage from the easy script days has been done though: we have a ton of opiate addicted people here who were prescribed and then when their doctors tried to dial it back or cut them off, they switched to heroin.  We have bootleg pharm meds made with fentanyl (this problem is worse in Canada).  But it's not like it was, and if you think that opiate addiction is a problem only in "Murica" (do you know how dumb you sound when you type that?), that only illustrates your ignorance on the topic. 

Good job cleaning up, though.  Those first few months are the toughest; I hope you get through them comfortably and stay out.  Once you're farther removed from it, staying off the h is pretty easy.




I dont listen to him... no not all doctors are like that... But your opiate problem is ridiculous. I dunno blame statistics. Most reports Ive read is that your country is the worst... or at least in the top 5. If you dont think pharma for profit is a problem... yea m8... no. Stats say it is worse that 7 years ago...

Also you will forever be murica till you get your shit together. Your like a week away from electing a sex fiend, dictator, narcissist.


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Re: My Official [Re: kakashi68] * 2
    #23794764 - 11/02/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Good talk, kakashi68.


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Re: My Official [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 2
    #23794841 - 11/02/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

CC you are right and thank you for explaining that to him. However kakashi is giving this advice from his experiences they maybe misguided and not really understanding but I can tell he just posted what he did because he was trying to find good advice without a lot of personal experience. I appreciate the sentiment I really do. That's why I wanted to explain I have had a psychiatrist since age 15.

I was on 4mg of Xanax a day by about 16 years old and ever since (almost 7 years now) I've been hopelessly addicted and I'm often convinced I won't ever be able to quit benzos & opiates . So I'm heavily considering trying Kratom.

And I have to say a big smile dawned my face when I saw you're asking a follow up question CC and I really feel the love and support from everyone in this thread that I desperately needed. Thank you all. Most threads have a shelf life of one to two days but I'm going to be dealing with some problems emotional and physical for more then a few days. Especially because everyone in this thread I consider friends and a little like family. :hug: :heart:

To address Ms Crumbs specifically : that's exactly what my psychologist said ^^,you're a smart cookie(no pun intended I swear) :lol: Even people who have no preexsisting anxiety or physical problems can be traumatized for a while by the sequence of events I was in. I just really need to figure out how to move on. That's the biggest step. I actually have been kind of suffering from PTSD before this because of all the family deaths/suicides my family has been dealing with recently and I just barely have started feeling better from that and then this happens :facepalm:

Today I have a lot of pain ,don't feel super depressed and I'm just taking it extremely easy right now.

Also I took some Advil today,I woke up in pain in my head and spine at about 7am. I just took my new daily dose of diluadid(one third of what I was taking) and it took the edge of for the next hour I'm guessing. As I said before I was at 12mg a day for MANY years,closer to a decade really.  Now I'm at 4-8mg at most. I'm sick and tired being a slave to it.


Also my Ex and I always care about each other,talk frequently etc. So I told her (completely embarrassed) that I didn't just crash my car and that I overdosed. I thought she'd be mad and generally think of me as a piece of shit or selfish but that's why I messaged her about this,she never has blown me off or take what I say lightly. It was the exact oppisite . She talked to me about it,understands I wasn't trying to kill myself, helped me realize that Ive always been extremely resilient,I'm no pussy by any means and I'll make it through this. It doesn't have to ruin my life if I don't let it.I love that woman.

I also love y'all ,my shroomery fam is amazing  :love:


You say this :EG you have back pain... go get some x-rays, tests, ect Get Physio... FIX THE FUCKING PROBLEM. Living on pain pills and getting a 100mg oxy tolerance is doing so much more harm than good.

The very first thing I did after the crash was schedule an X-ray,MRI and cat scan.I've mentioned several times that I've been an opiate addict for around 6-7 years. I'm 22 so I'm trying to tell y'all I was at a dose of over 20mg a day for when I was 15 and I'd plug 120mg of morphine at the same time each time. I'm incredibly aware of the addiction and I want them out of my life. My gma passed last August and I was her care giver. They'd give her about 100 extra 4mg diluadid and all day everyday I nodded while taking care of her. I was an opiate addict and had to dispense diluadid and morphine everyday and night.

Also as I mentioned I've had a psychiatrist and psychologist for around the same amount of time (about 5 years I think).  Everday I know diluadid and opiates need to get out of my life entirely for my own good  . That's what addiction is . Personally I'm proud of myself that last year August I was at 20-24 mg diluadid a day and now I take 4mg a day . In short I've been trying to quote "FUCKING FIX THE PROBLEM" for years . One of the main problems is I've been seriously injured in a whitewater rafting accident,I have fallen down a dry waterfall, I have occipital neuralgia, just was in a car crash. I deal with pain everyday,night and morning, I know pain pills aren't the answer but neither is suffering. God I wish I could quit opiates but until someone treats my pain it'll be very hard to get off pain meds.


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Re: My Official [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23795038 - 11/02/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I know the feel man :hug: as far as being in pain and not being able to find another way. It sucks. I think I'd either be dead or on shitty street opiates if I hadn't found kratom personally. Your case sucks tho cuz you have such a high tolerance. Kratom is great but I can't imagine it is comparable to diluadid. Though there may be extracts or enhanced strains out there that come close. I don't know but if there were a place to find out it'd be the shroomery.

It's great you've cut back so much though. You are running a marathon and you've only got a few more miles to go from this point. I think you can do it, even if it will suck. But I don't think you should worry too much about that right now with everything else going on. I consider switching from hardcore long term opiate abuse to kratom alot like switching from cigarettes to vaping (no debates or jumping on me for this guys) it's definitely not the same, but it's close enough it can make due, it makes it way easier, and given enough time you may prefer it. But making the switch won't happen unless you really want to get off the opiates and are prepared to do so.


I think you're doing it the best way you can though, for now at least. I'm glad you're not as anxious today. Try not to let the extra aches and pains become an excuse to up dose. You don't want to have to rerun old miles in a marathon.

Thanks for always being nice and appreciative. I appreciate your appreciation :lol: :heart:




Oh and I have nothing against Kakashi, I know he was trying to help, but I wouldn't want someone to take bad advice. Psychedelics being used as medicine is good and I support it but it really has to come with a big disclosure. And ime people here don't include one or don't think it needs one. Like "oh just have a bad trip it'll be a good experience" when the health forum is full of people with issues, lasting issues at times, from bad trips.


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Re: My Official [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23795083 - 11/02/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Even with a high tolerance kratom could be perfect for helping him wean the rest of the way down. Then he can manage his pain/ anxiety with it as long as necessary.

Even at 30g a day 1kg should last 3 months or so and at 50-100$ that is still pretty cheap I would say.

Not sure the price of most meds but 100$ for 3+ months seems pretty good to me. That is at an insane dose too. He may find 5-10 or less is plenty :shrug:


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Re: My Official [Re: musiclover420]
    #23795104 - 11/02/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

True, he could split 75 25 at first and slowly increase the kratomm ratio till he's off the opies. But like I was trying to say in my rambling now may not be the best time. Sounds like he should focus on cutting the soma now if he's having adverse reactions to it.

Also meant to say making such a dramatic cut in dose, while good, could have possibly played into the OD :ohwell: did you make a recent cut ST?


Feel free to :pm: me. I wouldn't mind helping you with a little research on pain management with kratom.


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Re: My Official [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23795179 - 11/02/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I am not trying to recommend any dramatic shifts but it seems smart to try and start weaning down to less harmful things even very slowly/ steadily :shrug:


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Re: My Official [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23795189 - 11/02/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How sure are you that what you had was an OD and not some kind of health reaction triggered by the car accident?

Spinal pain, whiplash, brain injury etc?


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