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New on growing, advices, please?
    #23791336 - 11/01/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hi Guys.

Recently i`ve tried shrooms for first time in my life, i was really skeptical about taking them, but I was really fascinated about the trip. And started to wonder about growing some. Because in my country it`s really difficult to get/buy some shrooms.


So, I`m new on this, and need advices about growing, because basically, i don`t understand anything about that.

I`ve been reading a lot of information on web, and thinking about this kit:

http://www.magic-mushrooms-shop.com/en/magic-mushrooms-1200cc-starter-kit.html


I`ve got questions :

1. Which breed you prefer to grow for first time.

2. Also about dosages.

3. If i can dry them in fruit dryer or smth. And how properly dry them.

4. How can i properly store them.

5. What`s the optimal conditions to grow them.

6. What about light? I`ve planned to grow them in dark, but reference to what i`ve read is that they need light, like 12/12h. It is correct? And if i`ve planned to use artificial light, what kind of, etc.

7. What`s about shipping, it is safe? Because I live in Latvia, and don`t understand perfectly about laws of shipping.



I`m Hoping that someone will respond me and clear those questions.



Respectfully,

Gizeh!



I hope, you will help me understand those things.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Gizehx] * 1
    #23791400 - 11/01/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

All of the information and opinions you are seeking are easily found in this forum. Read up.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Gizehx]
    #23791406 - 11/01/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Don't buy a kit they're terrible.

1. Any regular cubensis variety, they're all basically identical.
2. 'To taste' :lol:
3. Food dehydrator cranked up all the way until they crumble when pressure is applied. ('cracker dry')
4. Cool and dark place, keep them dry and keep the container you use closed. I vacuum seal them.
5. 65-75F, mist as needed. Use a proper fruiting chamber.
7. Google says spores are legal in Latvia, vendors wont ship to you if it's illegal anyway.

The search function knows all.
Stuff to read for good up to date info.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Gizehx]
    #23791408 - 11/01/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

First forget kits. They suck. Grow cubes, they are forgiving. Shrooms are food, eat until you are full. Dry in a food dehydrator for best results. Put them in a jar or bag, I like vacuum sealers. Grow em at room temp in your house. Light is good. Spores are legal in most countries.

Finally use th search engine. It will teach you much. Good luck.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23791665 - 11/01/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well i do not think that those kits suck.

In some ways yeah, but if you wanna grow some shrooms to trip on and you feel like being in a hurry to do so, go ahead.

I have grown a lot of the 2100ml grow kits from MMS and i never got less than 60g dried from a kit, flushing at least three times. Some even 5.

Try it out. But you can make your own grains a lot cheaper, you will get bigger flushes and you will gain both experience and a new hobby.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23791711 - 11/01/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)


you gain the wrong experience tho because the kits dont teach you how to
grow. just that they CAN grow in shit conditions. thats terrible experience.

doing pf tek gains you the XP to level up.

you learn water content/texture of substrate.
how to inoculate
what they myc looks like.
what they need during colonizing.
how to fruit.

a kit teaches you......
how to dump water into tupperware.
how to suffocate mushrooms in a choke bag.
some kits say to take a fork to the substrate.
how much money you wasted(only good xp from a kit)


Edited by mushboy (11/01/16 03:32 PM)


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: mushboy]
    #23791734 - 11/01/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: spongegar]
    #23791942 - 11/01/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I guess you missed the point mushboy.
I said that you gain the experience from growing yourself but fair enough.

I do agree with you....

The kits still aren't low on yields though.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23791992 - 11/01/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Kits contam a lot. Contamed substrates are low on yields. Kits contain poorly written instructions for fruiting. Substrates in poor fruiting conditions yield poorly. Do the math.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23792094 - 11/01/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The ratio in which kits contams depends on the one handling them i guess.
I have grown maybe 40 kits and i think that around 3 or 4 of them got contaminated after the first flush.


I have received a couple of contaminated kits but they just send a new one.
I certainly do not feel like i've wasted money on them but i still haven't fruited my own grains yet so i'll probably get the feeling very soon......


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23792197 - 11/01/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

4 out of 40 kits is a ten percent fail, that is a poor average. Done properly DIY should be 95% success or better. Also when you do things yourself you can find and eliminate your vectors. You can't do that with a kit. Also they are insanely expensive. Once you buy a PC and very basic equipment, growing is cheap.

This tub cost about 6 dollars in materials.

 


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23792308 - 11/01/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Along the lines of what Pastywhyte said, one of the first and most important things I think a new cultivator should get is a Pressure Cooker, you can do some grows without one, but I don't recommend it because you can get contamination easy if you don't have one.

If you can find a Pressure Cooker in your area I definitely recommend getting one. After getting a pressure cooker, you are able to start doing more advanced stuff like growing on grains (with agar, if you can get that too).


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23793752 - 11/02/16 06:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

... and there it was, the feeling of wasting money...

I could have bought several AA PC's for the amount of money used on kits.
But hey, it was a good time tripping.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23793814 - 11/02/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The conversation would have just kept going back and fourth till either you agreed or pretended to. :laugh: lol


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Groo]
    #23794020 - 11/02/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I mean it's better and cheaper than buying from dealers so it can't be that bad. \(^o^)/
Coming from a country where the cheapest PC costs like 1/5 of my salary means that I'll have to stick with a usual pot for a while.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: spongegar]
    #23794026 - 11/02/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Where the hell do you live I picked one up brand new for £20 its only 8 litres but it serves my needs.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23794240 - 11/02/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The place mentioned in ops post. 50 euros for the cheapest new. 40 for a second hand one from Germany. I had problems finding perlite here too, they sell it in powdered form only, had to order it from Germany. Ain't it funny.
And don't even start about the jars.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: spongegar]
    #23794285 - 11/02/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the only 'powder' form of perlite i know of is used in pool cleaning filters...

no hardware or gardening stores have perlite?


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: mushboy]
    #23794291 - 11/02/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No, 1-2mm fraction.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: mushboy]
    #23794298 - 11/02/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

uh just looked that up. thats the perlite you use.. im confused?

also i did a quick search and in lativa i can get a 5.5L pc for 31 euros. brand new. use google.com or googlesearchsyou.com


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: mushboy]
    #23794320 - 11/02/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No, I use the one I ordered from Germany.
Enough thread jacking. I'll look into it.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: spongegar]
    #23794489 - 11/02/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The place mentioned in ops post. 50 euros for the cheapest new. 40 for a second hand one from Germany. I had problems finding perlite here too, they sell it in powdered form only, had to order it from Germany. Ain't it funny.
And don't even start about the jars.



Oh yeah latvia
Jars are jars no difficulty there dont get the problem there


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23794512 - 11/02/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

A little late but my advice is to:
Just buy this book and follow the directions. It's the simplest, easiest path to success.
& will be less confusing that the contradictory and often out-of-date info found online.

In addition, you could buy a copy of Let's Grow Mushrooms!
Hard to go wrong with that old chestnut of an instructional video.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Deathby69] * 1
    #23794516 - 11/02/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Most books are outdated before they are printed. If you want to use current methods find them here with the search engine. Use the filters on the engine to strip out results older than 5 years and click the TC box.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #23794527 - 11/02/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The advanced search function is great and should be utilized way more often.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Gizehx]
    #23794548 - 11/02/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Most people start with the PF Tek-
It's small and simple and is a low budget introduction.
Don't worry about dosage or storage yet- you need to learn some basic skills first.

1)Read the PF Tek

2) Read the PF Tek 20 more times.

3) look through the cultivation threads on here. Ask questions as tehy come up- BUT - the search engine here is really good. Use it.

4) Get a syringe from one of the vendors here. B+, Golden Teacher and Orisa(sp?) are probably the most common varieties and will fit your needs perfectly

4) Get some jars, lids brown rice flour and a little bit of vermiculite.

3) Make a simple Still Air Box (SAB)

4) inoculate your jars with the spores.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23794618 - 11/02/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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4) Get a syringe from one of the vendors here. B+, Golden Teacher and Orisa(sp?) are probably the most common varieties and will fit your needs perfectly




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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23795106 - 11/02/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If you want to use current methods find them here with the search engine. Use the filters on the engine to strip out results older than 5 years and click the TC box.




This is it, right here.

If you want to buy a kit, go ahead.

If you want to learn how to grow mushrooms properly and be able to develop your own intuition and instinct about growing, then you need to learn. A proven way to learn, that innumerable people (including myself) have followed, is to read this forum. Read, read, read, read, and then read some more. Follow along with the current postings on the board regularly, and see what reputable growers say in response. Use the advanced search feature intelligently to follow up on questions you have. If you want to learn how to grow, put in the work to read what TCs and other people with proven results have suggested about all topics.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23795797 - 11/02/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Most books are outdated before they are printed. If you want to use current methods find them here with the search engine. Use the filters on the engine to strip out results older than 5 years and click the TC box.




Is there a new grower FAQ?
What do I search for?


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Spore Ninja]
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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Greg]
    #23797384 - 11/03/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure a link to a list of other forums, with hundreds of other threads and thousands of opinions on what to do is the least confusing option?

But it's probably up to date. heh.

Good luck, OP.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Greg]
    #23797550 - 11/03/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23781179




That's an overwhelming firehose of information.

What's wrong with starting with PF Tek and some cakes?

My success with cakes lead to PC's, bags of spawn grain and agar. Gotta crawl before you can run.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23797564 - 11/03/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I started with grains and tubs and pasteurization of manure. I read lots of shit I really didn't need to. I did it all by searching the forums, and had awful teks in the shroomery home page. It would have been kick fuckin ass to have that link as a noob, just proving there's really no one right way to help a new person.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23797569 - 11/03/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

In other words, consider yourself lucky to have even that.


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    #23797604 - 11/03/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ikr. That's a fuckin shit ton of work put in so noobs can do it right. Kinda annoying that people think it doesn't work. I wonder how many people out there use those links because they actually sat down to read. I didn't even register until 2 years after my first successful grow, so I know there's tons more like me. If you can't actually read, you probably shouldn't be attempting this.


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    #23797607 - 11/03/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I started with grains and tubs and pasteurization of manure. I read lots of shit I really didn't need to. I did it all by searching the forums, and had awful teks in the shroomery home page. It would have been kick fuckin ass to have that link as a noob, just proving there's really no one right way to help a new person.




:whathesaid: those are freaking gold right there. I would have killed to have that shit when I started. Is it a lot to take in? Sure. But it's also exactly what ya need. Put in the reading and learn to do this and eventually you don't even need a tek. You just do it.


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23797859 - 11/03/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This is kinda what we're all up against here.

Most of us had to learn the hard way, from ridiculously outdated sources,  and are kinda protective of our hard-earned knowledge. Or, maybe, don't wish to step on anyone's toes by suggesting one tek over another? Also, there's that bias that every retail worker suffers from: we've been here for years and don't understand why noobs can't just see the same thing that is obvious to us. "LOL, where's the ____? Idiot, it's right behind you."


Personally, I just think tripping in general is a good ego-dissolving, world improving thing. So, the more mushrooms we can get into the hands of average people the better. Though, if we open the doors, like Leary did I guess, and teens start getting bold and busted for nonsense, linking back to this site, well you can guess the outcome. Anyways, just follow my initial advice and you'll be okay. Let's Grow Mushrooms. pretty much everyone here can agree that this is a good place to start. Or, choose a TEK from that link and come back here to ask for specific questions...fuck. I don't know. I have so much to say about this topic but what will anything change? Not bloody likely...


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Re: New on growing, advices, please? [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23800998 - 11/04/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Greg said:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23781179




That's an overwhelming firehose of information.

What's wrong with starting with PF Tek and some cakes?

My success with cakes lead to PC's, bags of spawn grain and agar. Gotta crawl before you can run.



nothing wrong with starting with pf tek it teaches you alot and is much more forgiving. It sets you up to do bulk with a bit of knowledge and experience like how important sterile tech is, and teaches you to spot contams and not be so attached to your work and try to save shitty jars.


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