|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
Neomorph


Registered: 12/10/14
Posts: 767
Loc: Europe
|
Is this settup ok for winter?
#23791212 - 11/01/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Do you guys think this setup is ok for winter for seedlings on my signature ?
There are 3x 24 watt 6400k lightbulbs and a space heater that will heat the cabin every one hr for 10 mins, after 11 PM cuz the electricity is cheaper at night at my country, and the lights will be one from 11PM till 11 AM ? Any suggestion ?
Im also planning to sow some seeds tomorrow 
Sorry for bad quality pics, focus of the phone is not working 
|
migraineur
Geezer


Registered: 02/15/10
Posts: 1,642
Last seen: 6 months, 3 days
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: Neomorph]
#23791228 - 11/01/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
What kind of climate do you have where you live? Which country are you in?
We need more info!
|
DualWieldRake
Stranger


Registered: 07/17/16
Posts: 1,115
Loc: Zone 8b
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: Neomorph]
#23791235 - 11/01/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
i think they will enjoy it very much
|
ferrel_human
stone eater



Registered: 06/26/09
Posts: 16,320
Loc: Texas
|
|
Quote:
DualWieldRake said: i think they will enjoy it very much 
Hopefully its cold enough to stave off growth. Last thing you want in winter is long spindly growth.
How about a cold garage with ambient light?
-------------------- Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely. -Karode
 Looking for Mimosa tenuiflora seeds. Buttons for trade
|
Neomorph


Registered: 12/10/14
Posts: 767
Loc: Europe
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: ferrel_human]
#23791307 - 11/01/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Average for this month will be -2 - 10 Celsius i would say... It will get colder next months
Dont have garage, i can leave them under the roof but it will be cold i think
Edited by Neomorph (11/01/16 01:42 PM)
|
Neomorph


Registered: 12/10/14
Posts: 767
Loc: Europe
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: migraineur]
#23791318 - 11/01/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
migraineur said: What kind of climate do you have where you live? Which country are you in?
We need more info!
Kosovo, Europe
|
Spanishfly
$$$Rich€€€Bich£££



Registered: 03/19/12
Posts: 1,851
Loc: Spain
Last seen: 6 years, 26 days
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: ferrel_human]
#23793668 - 11/02/16 04:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ferrel_human said:
How about a cold garage with ambient light?
Ambient light in a garage? Isn´t that dark??!!
In habitat, as the days get shorter and cooler - growth slows down. But cacti do not go ´dormant´ in winter as you will see many people incorrectly say. They will still be photosynthesising to some extent, and last summer´s soft growth will be hardening and ripening. Give them as much light as possible, preferably daylight, and keep them from freezing - that will suit most desert cacti. And keep them dry. I am fortunate to live in a frost free climate - for 3 months my guys live in cold frames, to achieve all the above.
-------------------- I am currently BANNED from using Private Messages - so can anyone who wants to contact me do it via my Journal thread. Link is https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23831115 Maybe some mod or whatever might think this has now been long enough.
|
Neomorph


Registered: 12/10/14
Posts: 767
Loc: Europe
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: Spanishfly]
#23793721 - 11/02/16 05:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
So meaby in a room not so cold not so hot near windows they will do fine ?
I sowed some san pedro seeds also, if i dont have to heat that cabin, will tub in tub tek work with one or two lights on top ?
Edited by Neomorph (11/02/16 06:09 AM)
|
ferrel_human
stone eater



Registered: 06/26/09
Posts: 16,320
Loc: Texas
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: Spanishfly]
#23795022 - 11/02/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Spanishfly said:
Quote:
ferrel_human said:
How about a cold garage with ambient light?
Ambient light in a garage? Isn´t that dark??!!
In habitat, as the days get shorter and cooler - growth slows down. But cacti do not go ´dormant´ in winter as you will see many people incorrectly say. They will still be photosynthesising to some extent, and last summer´s soft growth will be hardening and ripening. Give them as much light as possible, preferably daylight, and keep them from freezing - that will suit most desert cacti. And keep them dry. I am fortunate to live in a frost free climate - for 3 months my guys live in cold frames, to achieve all the above.
Im trying to help the guy out. How does one go about growing cacti i cold climate. Wish i could help but you guys have your work cut out for you.
-------------------- Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely. -Karode
 Looking for Mimosa tenuiflora seeds. Buttons for trade
|
Neomorph


Registered: 12/10/14
Posts: 767
Loc: Europe
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: ferrel_human]
#23795472 - 11/02/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I dont have garage buddy but i have spare cold room ?
|
Spanishfly
$$$Rich€€€Bich£££



Registered: 03/19/12
Posts: 1,851
Loc: Spain
Last seen: 6 years, 26 days
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: ferrel_human]
#23796775 - 11/03/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ferrel_human said:
How does one go about growing cacti i cold climate.
You ideally do what the growers and nurseries in northern Europe do - what I did when I grew in Scotland - put your plants in a heated greenhouse (mine was only 4´X6´) - lots of daylight but keep them above freezing. I used a paraffin (kerosene for you Americans??) heater - cheaper than electric. Cacti need LIGHT all year round - like what they get in habitat.
-------------------- I am currently BANNED from using Private Messages - so can anyone who wants to contact me do it via my Journal thread. Link is https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23831115 Maybe some mod or whatever might think this has now been long enough.
|
kactus.brand.g
Registered: 08/22/14
Posts: 6,886
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: Spanishfly]
#23796785 - 11/03/16 06:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
And all this is why I had to stop growing cacti
Maybe one day,I will move back out West,so I can grow my cacti directly in the ground,the only true way,in my opinion.
But until then,I'll just enjoy all of you all's lovely specimens
Edited by kactus.brand.g (11/03/16 06:22 AM)
|
Spanishfly
$$$Rich€€€Bich£££



Registered: 03/19/12
Posts: 1,851
Loc: Spain
Last seen: 6 years, 26 days
|
|
Quote:
kactus.brand.g said: And all this is why I had to stop growing cacti
Maybe one day,I will move back out West,so I can grow my cacti directly in the ground,the only true way,in my opinion.
But until then,I'll just enjoy all of you all's lovely specimens
I have a sunny frost-free climate - good for growing desert cacti - but my garden is so tiny - a lot of it is my car parking space - my cacti grow up high in pots on my roof terrace. They seem to like it though. But not growing in the ground has advantages - a lot less nasty things - like slugs - and I have been mercifully free of mealy bugs and red spider mites.
-------------------- I am currently BANNED from using Private Messages - so can anyone who wants to contact me do it via my Journal thread. Link is https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23831115 Maybe some mod or whatever might think this has now been long enough.
|
kactus.brand.g
Registered: 08/22/14
Posts: 6,886
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: Spanishfly]
#23796893 - 11/03/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Spanishfly said:
Quote:
kactus.brand.g said: And all this is why I had to stop growing cacti
Maybe one day,I will move back out West,so I can grow my cacti directly in the ground,the only true way,in my opinion.
But until then,I'll just enjoy all of you all's lovely specimens
I have a sunny frost-free climate - good for growing desert cacti - but my garden is so tiny - a lot of it is my car parking space - my cacti grow up high in pots on my roof terrace. They seem to like it though. But not growing in the ground has advantages - a lot less nasty things - like slugs - and I have been mercifully free of mealy bugs and red spider mites.
My bad I meant outdoor all year round,preferably in the ground for larger Columnar species,and pots for the smaller globular ones
|
shroomizzy
Souless



Registered: 09/22/02
Posts: 3,835
Loc: The Center of the Room
Last seen: 9 months, 9 days
|
|
I hate where I live, and want to move badly... But then I remember alllllll the cacti I have thanks to where I live.
Its a love hate thing I guess. I can't imagine not growing cacti. I'd probably plan a move based on that situation alone.
-------------------- :::::Sincerely Yours, I disown you:::::
|
ferrel_human
stone eater



Registered: 06/26/09
Posts: 16,320
Loc: Texas
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: Spanishfly]
#23797074 - 11/03/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Spanishfly said:
Quote:
kactus.brand.g said: And all this is why I had to stop growing cacti
Maybe one day,I will move back out West,so I can grow my cacti directly in the ground,the only true way,in my opinion.
But until then,I'll just enjoy all of you all's lovely specimens
I have a sunny frost-free climate - good for growing desert cacti - but my garden is so tiny - a lot of it is my car parking space - my cacti grow up high in pots on my roof terrace. They seem to like it though. But not growing in the ground has advantages - a lot less nasty things - like slugs - and I have been mercifully free of mealy bugs and red spider mites.
Tiny but beautiful. Quality over quantity.
-------------------- Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely. -Karode
 Looking for Mimosa tenuiflora seeds. Buttons for trade
|
Neomorph


Registered: 12/10/14
Posts: 767
Loc: Europe
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: ferrel_human]
#23797151 - 11/03/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
So what should i do ? Whats the best way to survive the winter, we have hot summers in here but also very cold winters 
I cant really move right now even i hate the cold
|
ferrel_human
stone eater



Registered: 06/26/09
Posts: 16,320
Loc: Texas
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: Neomorph]
#23797175 - 11/03/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
kastriotr said: So what should i do ? Whats the best way to survive the winter, we have hot summers in here but also very cold winters 
I cant really move right now even i hate the cold
Do as fly has suggested. Invest, if at all possible, in some heaters and lights. There is no more advice i can give becuase i live so close to the flames of hell. I get constant heat year round.
-------------------- Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely. -Karode
 Looking for Mimosa tenuiflora seeds. Buttons for trade
|
Neomorph


Registered: 12/10/14
Posts: 767
Loc: Europe
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: ferrel_human]
#23797199 - 11/03/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
So meaby in my bedroom near windows ? Or to that cabin in pic and meaby some better lights ? whats the averager temp that should be in the room ?
|
ferrel_human
stone eater



Registered: 06/26/09
Posts: 16,320
Loc: Texas
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: Neomorph]
#23797256 - 11/03/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
15c to 20c?
-------------------- Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely. -Karode
 Looking for Mimosa tenuiflora seeds. Buttons for trade
|
Neomorph


Registered: 12/10/14
Posts: 767
Loc: Europe
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: ferrel_human]
#23797329 - 11/03/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
|
DualWieldRake
Stranger


Registered: 07/17/16
Posts: 1,115
Loc: Zone 8b
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: Neomorph]
#23797508 - 11/03/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
keep towards freezing if not lighted well, i heard people say long periods of 10 C or less makes them go somewhat dormant (should atleast slow things down)
|
Neomorph


Registered: 12/10/14
Posts: 767
Loc: Europe
|
|
Whats seedlings freezing point ? 0 C ?! It will be easy to keep them 10-20 C
|
DualWieldRake
Stranger


Registered: 07/17/16
Posts: 1,115
Loc: Zone 8b
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: Neomorph]
#23798072 - 11/03/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
i'd say above zero for seedlings. 10 sounds good to me, 20 is pretty warm though i'd say.
|
molemole
Ethnobotic



Registered: 04/14/12
Posts: 465
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 9 days, 19 hours
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: Neomorph]
#23801990 - 11/04/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
kastriotr said: So meaby in my bedroom near windows ? Or to that cabin in pic and meaby some better lights ? whats the averager temp that should be in the room ?
This is what I am trying this year. I have two pedro's and they were in a south/east window in my living room. They seemed to not grow til about Jan. I read that you want to mist once or twice in the winter. Wihtin a week they started growing and now are skinny at the top.
So this year the best I can give is a spare bedroom east facing window, with the heat off and a towel at the base of the door. I may try artificial lighting As well. I am wondering the same thing as you and it seems as there is extremely contrasting opinions on winter care parameters. I am not really wanting to mess with heating a small outside green house. I would think temps would be difficult to stop fluctuations.
|
kactus.brand.g
Registered: 08/22/14
Posts: 6,886
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: molemole]
#23802566 - 11/05/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
And this is why I don't understand why people insist on trying to do the inevitable I got smart,and learned my lesson
It's just not worth all that turmoil,every season,when you have to lug all those heavy beasts in,and then tr to keep them from stretching,looking ugly,getting diseases,pests,etc.
If you live in zone 9 upwards,I say grow all the cacti you want,or at least get a heated outdoor greenhouse,or indoor sun room if you don't,but for us in cold climates,it's just not worth all the hassles in my opinion.
I reckon,if I only grew cacti to consume,and didn't care about their well being or beauty,ugly etiolated crooked cacti would be fine to grow,but I don't eat cacti,never have,and I only grow for aesthetics,so yeah,like I stated earlier,I'm waiting until I move back out west,and then it's on
I also don't care what people say either,you just can not grow proper Trichocereus indoors under artificial lighting period.
Sure you can fromthe seedling stage up until a coupe of years.but after that,it's useless.
I am also by no means trying to discourage people from growing cacti in cold climates,I'm just letting you know why I had to stop my passion,because all the problems didn't justify me continuing this hobby any further 
And for all you guys that have all those nice looking trich indoors right now that look well,give em a little longer,and they will start look horrible in no time Just stating that before people try to post those pictures
|
Spanishfly
$$$Rich€€€Bich£££



Registered: 03/19/12
Posts: 1,851
Loc: Spain
Last seen: 6 years, 26 days
|
|
When I grew in Scotland my cacti lived all year round in a heated greenhouse - cheapo paraffin heater. It sure is a lot easier here in a frost free climate - and the guys do a whole lot better.
-------------------- I am currently BANNED from using Private Messages - so can anyone who wants to contact me do it via my Journal thread. Link is https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23831115 Maybe some mod or whatever might think this has now been long enough.
|
kactus.brand.g
Registered: 08/22/14
Posts: 6,886
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
|
Re: Is this settup ok for winter? [Re: Spanishfly]
#23802645 - 11/05/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Spanishfly said: When I grew in Scotland my cacti lived all year round in a heated greenhouse - cheapo paraffin heater. It sure is a lot easier here in a frost free climate - and the guys do a whole lot better.
Frost ain't the word here compadre,we get some deep freezes,and I remember one night last season it got down to 0°F !
Not practical for me to grow them,even though I do live in a subtroipcal climate.
For 9 months out of the year it's warm,to extremely hot and humid,then December through February,it's pretty damn cold,not so much during the day,but at night it gets down right freezing,and although we rarely get more than few days of snow per year,we have been known to have extreme ice storms with power outages for up to a month,and feet of snow! This has become more rare from the time I was a child until now though.
The only kind of cactus that I can grow here that will live out all year round are all my opuntia,but hell,they live in every single state including Canada
|
|