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Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid?
    #23791173 - 11/01/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So my birthdays coming up on election day and my friend and I wanted to try some salvia. I have 2 salvia plants and we've never tried it before.

I always hear mixed reports of people smoking plain leaf but i feel like the ones who say it doesnt work arent doing it right. We're going to take a nice hit from a bong with a torch and hold as long as possible.

Anyways does anyone has any experience with smoking plain leaf or maybe a quid? Thanks


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: 1314697]
    #23791211 - 11/01/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Do several bowls in a row. otherwise, you'll feel a little buzz, but that's it.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: 1314697]
    #23791214 - 11/01/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I could be wrong, but from what I know the old salvia that everyone used to smoke, before made illegal, was dipped in something. It was not the salvia plant that got you "buzzed". I went through the horticulture program and we had to take a herbaceous plant ID class to get our degree. We covered a couple different salvia plants in that class. One kid asked about smoking it, dumbass in my opinion. The teacher said they wouldn't get you high. If you were able to get some back in the day it was all sold as like 15x 20x 30x 40x.... This makes me believe it was a synthetic chemical put onto salvia plant matter. Maybe someone else can chime in and agree or disprove me. I am fairly sure though that the salvia plant does not produce any mind altering chemicals. NOW there are multiple species of salvia soooo, it is possible that only ne will do it, and that some people have had the wrong salvia plant.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23791221 - 11/01/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I hated it, but I hate extract too so don't take my word for it. Torched it in a bong, tasted shit and made my bong taste shit I had to clean it several times.

edit: dude there are a ton of plants of the salvia genus, only salvia divinorum produces salvorin alkaloids. Your teacher was probably talking about 'salvia' in a general sense.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: nowhere]
    #23791310 - 11/01/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I love salvia. Salvia Divinorum definitely produces psychoactive effects, extracts are just the extract put on plain leaf.

I generally only need 2 bowls of plain leaf to blast off. Start low, you can always have some more in a couple minutes if it's not enough for you.

I've attempted quid once before, but didn't have enough salvia leaf at the time. Many people say it's a smoother, less chaotic ride, so definitely worth a shot if you're up for it.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: Achillita]
    #23791411 - 11/01/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

how many grams of wet/dried straight leaf though? more than one 4+ inch leaf right?


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: TheMadHatter420] * 1
    #23791431 - 11/01/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I could be wrong, but from what I know the old salvia that everyone used to smoke, before made illegal, was dipped in something. It was not the salvia plant that got you "buzzed". I went through the horticulture program and we had to take a herbaceous plant ID class to get our degree. We covered a couple different salvia plants in that class. One kid asked about smoking it, dumbass in my opinion. The teacher said they wouldn't get you high. If you were able to get some back in the day it was all sold as like 15x 20x 30x 40x.... This makes me believe it was a synthetic chemical put onto salvia plant matter. Maybe someone else can chime in and agree or disprove me. I am fairly sure though that the salvia plant does not produce any mind altering chemicals. NOW there are multiple species of salvia soooo, it is possible that only ne will do it, and that some people have had the wrong salvia plant.



I assume you failed the class. Salvia is a genus of plants there's tons of them. Only Salvia Divinorum have any effects


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: 1314697]
    #23791480 - 11/01/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Actually I passed the class. Yes salvia is the genus but there are many species in that genus. Thus many species of salvia.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23792163 - 11/01/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Salvinorin A is the active chemical in Salvia divinorum. It is a naturally occurring chemical produced by the Salvia divinorum plant, also known as Diviner's Sage. Salvia divinorum is the only species within the genus Saliva that produces this chemical. Other species of sage do not.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: healing]
    #23792483 - 11/01/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's some cool info. I had never looked into it, just figure it had some man made chemicals put on it like the pep spice shit.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23792539 - 11/01/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There's also salvinorin B and a few others,  + surely undiscovered actives still. We still don't even fully understand the pharmokenetic effects of the drugs either, nor do we know very much about potential side effects negative and positive.

One if the main reasons salvia hasn't been federally banned yet IMO.

Anyway, I smoke salvia leaf pretty regularly, if you do it corretly you'll achieve a suble S level maybe even A level trip. Some people may not experience very much and may need more, considering individual biochemistry/nuerochemistry.

I've introduced about 6 people to plain leaf salvia in real life and 5/6 reported S-A level effects while one person just reported mild dysphoria and dissociation.

I smoked a nice bowl full of salvia with lemon balm and peppermint for flavor yesterday, took two huge hits, held it as long as I could, and I had a very nice 15 minute experience.

For me it's very relaxing at this dose and can even have "anti depression" qualities, as well as a pretty interesting body buzz ( intensified gravity/pulling)  and some shroom like visuals, no entities but lots of patterns and colors CEV.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: impaired420]
    #23792627 - 11/01/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quid if fresh leaf and you have a good amount. If dry, smoke. Smoking it is like forgetting things (most things) and rembering them over again. Pretty dissociative. Haven't tried quid.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23792850 - 11/01/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I only had it back in the day, like 10 years ago, when the head shops had 40x. That's what I smoked.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23792879 - 11/01/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

with plain leaf it can be hard for beginners, you have to smoke a few bowls to get strong effects and it will hurt your lungs unless you use a water pipe.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23792886 - 11/01/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I would combine the smoking with something else to almost induce ego death, but that's just me.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23792894 - 11/01/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I would combine the smoking with something else to almost induce ego death, but that's just me.




10x salvia extract and 125ug 1p-LSD was fantastic.

Plan on doing ~20mg 2c-b and salvia in the coming days should be a lot of fun.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: impaired420]
    #23792899 - 11/01/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I would combine the smoking with something else to almost induce ego death, but that's just me.




10x salvia extract and 125ug 1p-LSD was fantastic.

Plan on doing ~20mg 2c-b and salvia in the coming days should be a lot of fun.



wow that's a good idea, I actually might do that too, now that I can find 2CB again..


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23792905 - 11/01/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I find the 2c-b open eye visuals a lot like salvia open eye visuals when I compare them.

Inanimate objects just seem to come to life, objects in my posters dance and swirl and move around... Should be a great mix.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: impaired420]
    #23795642 - 11/02/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You probably won't want to waste your time with the quid. You have to make a tincture out of a lot of leaves if you want that to work.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: Starstepper]
    #23795775 - 11/02/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

We're not looking for a break through. Just something like a good body buzz and decent OEVs


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: 1314697]
    #23796348 - 11/02/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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We're not looking for a break through. Just something like a good body buzz and decent OEVs



Listen to Terence McKennas take on Salvia quid. Sounds pretty cool.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23796777 - 11/03/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have that's what got me interested in quidding. Sadly i dont have enough leaves for that without really putting a stress in my plant.

Any visuals with a normal hit of leaf?


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: 1314697]
    #23796798 - 11/03/16 06:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I have that's what got me interested in quidding. Sadly i dont have enough leaves for that without really putting a stress in my plant.

Any visuals with a normal hit of leaf?




Yes.  A 200mg leaf gets me pretty damn trippy.

Smoke one and find out yourself.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: 1314697]
    #23797757 - 11/03/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I tried quid with 30 fresh leaves and also running more than 30 leaves through a juicer. It gave me a decent buzz with slight CEVs and OEVs for a brief peak experience of about 1-15 minutes. It's a lot of substance to hold in your mouth for 30 minutes with very little payout. I've been on the salvia growing thread for a while and there is a tincture recipe I am saving up all my leaves for. That has been said to work. If you can hold a small amount of tincture instead a mouthful of nasty juice it is worth it. Plus the alcohol in the tincture will help it absorb into your mouth.

Haven't tried smoking the normal leaf yet only extract.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: Starstepper]
    #23797987 - 11/03/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I tried quid with 30 fresh leaves and also running more than 30 leaves through a juicer. It gave me a decent buzz with slight CEVs and OEVs for a brief peak experience of about 1-15 minutes. It's a lot of substance to hold in your mouth for 30 minutes with very little payout. I've been on the salvia growing thread for a while and there is a tincture recipe I am saving up all my leaves for. That has been said to work. If you can hold a small amount of tincture instead a mouthful of nasty juice it is worth it. Plus the alcohol in the tincture will help it absorb into your mouth.

Haven't tried smoking the normal leaf yet only extract.





That seems like alot of leaf for minimal effects.

Alot of effort for the plant and a whole lot of stuff to hold in your mouth.

My plants little for now, but at that rate it'll be a really long time before it's usable


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: alexmir]
    #23798193 - 11/03/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

We're trying it sometime this weekend or next I'll keep you guys updates


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: alexmir]
    #23798457 - 11/03/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It is pretty tough to keep 30 leaves in your mouth without spitting some out at some point. That's why I went to the juicer method. Got better results without all the plant matter. I've been harvesting leaves and drying them to save for a potent ass tincture.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: Starstepper]
    #23798950 - 11/03/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

salvia is so crazy, i had another major trip on it and it is so transforming for me. Reality just transforms, unzips, etc.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23799124 - 11/03/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm expecting a weird body buzz and not intense but definite oevs from a nice hit of leaf.


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: 1314697]
    #23801489 - 11/04/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

My friend tried it today. He took a huge bong rip and sat down but wasnt able to hold it longer than like 5 seconds because he started coughing.

He sat there and said he didn't feel it and then bam he said "I'm high as fuck". He said it felt like gravity was pulling sideways and things seemed flashing and i sounded like a audio recording. So it worked :awetrippie:


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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: 1314697]
    #23801615 - 11/04/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I always found quiiding messy and disappointing.
I had good results by rolling very fat joints of plain leaf.
smoking quickly and deliberately not casually like spliffs.
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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: 1314697]
    #23861492 - 11/23/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If you want to try quidding, be sure to brush your gums and rinse with mouthwash first to clean off dead skin so the salvinorin can absorb easier. 

I've also found that using cannabis just prior to quidding decreases the amount of Salvia needed. 

I would also suggest darkness or a mask as the visuals can be a bit faint and OEVs aren't as pronounced as CEVs. 

You may be able to work with the energy you feel even if you don't get the visuals.  Just start moving your body once you notice any effects (usually after about 10 minutes) and see what happens.  It frequently feels as though you're underwater with swirling energy moving your body around.  Very chiropractic :-)

Also, you don't have to do all the leaf in one fell swoop.  You can do 1 gram of dried (re-hydrated) leaf at a time.  Chew well for 5-10 minutes near the back of your mouth, then spit and insert another gram. 

I personally get very consistent, usable results with .75 grams dried, but I think many people, especially newer users, may need more like 3-5 grams.

If you have fresh leaves, you can chew a few at a time (depending on size) for about 3-5 minutes, then swallow or spit and chew a few more.  There's no need to have a mouthful of spit/leaf in my experience. 

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Re: Anyone have luck with salvia leaf? Smoking or Quid? [Re: physics envy]
    #23861653 - 11/23/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Instead of quidding make a tincture... It's a bit easier and more effective.


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