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Are these Panaeolus?
    #23788269 - 10/31/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)



Hi there. I was wondering if anyone can help me identify these LBMs.

Habitat:
I found these growing in woodchip/rough pasture in a community garden in Southern England, a few metres away from a willow tree.

Gills:
Gills were brown when picked but have dried to black.

Stem:
The longest of the stems is about 70mm in length and about 1mm in diameter. Stems were white/cream when picked but have dried to various shades of brown.

Cap:
The widest cap is about 20mm, the smallest about 5mm. Caps were mostly grey when picked but have dried to brown. Some black bruising. They were conical in shape when picked.

Spore print color:
Spore print seems to be black. See photo.

More than half of them have moderately pronounced umbos.

A couple of them look they have been nibbled by something.

The closest ID I can come up with is Panaeolus acuminatus but my book says those have grey gills and these were brown. So I'm stumped.

I'm quite interested in eating them if someone can give me a positive ID.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Are these Panaeolus? [Re: rememberist]
    #23788272 - 10/31/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They're bit too dry to be sure but I don't think they are a Panaeolus sp.

Probably Psathyrella or Parasola.


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Re: Are these Panaeolus? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23788292 - 10/31/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think its Psathyrella, in my experience Parasola dries out to be a lot less substantial. The family Psathyrellaceae is a safe bet.

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Re: Are these Panaeolus? [Re: Byrain]
    #23788436 - 10/31/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks.

Hmmm, I'm not sure. They don't look like or have the exact characteristics of any of the psathyrella shown in the book I have!

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Re: Are these Panaeolus? [Re: rememberist]
    #23788439 - 10/31/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Is it a guide to dry and shrivelled mushrooms?


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Re: Are these Panaeolus? [Re: rememberist]
    #23788503 - 10/31/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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rememberist said:
I'm not sure. They don't look like or have the exact characteristics of any of the psathyrella shown in the book I have!




Well, judging from the dark spore print, pale flimsy stems and woody debris substrate, there aren't that many alternatives.
Also, Psathyrella is a complex genus with many species of similar appearance. Neither is it a genus that gets too much
attention in field guides.. What book(s) do you have?


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Re: Are these Panaeolus? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23788560 - 10/31/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well, judging from the dark spore print, pale flimsy stems and woody debris substrate, there aren't that many alternatives.
Also, Psathyrella is a complex genus with many species of similar appearance. Neither is it a genus that gets too much
attention in field guides.. What book(s) do you have?




I'm sure you're right. The book is just called Mushrooms and it is by Roger Phillips.

Can we say with confidence that these are not going to poison me if I eat them? I gather that there are some reports of Psathyrella as having psychedelic properties?

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Re: Are these Panaeolus? [Re: Joie]
    #23788586 - 10/31/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Is it a guide to dry and shrivelled mushrooms?




Haha! No, how they looked before they dried out (as described in my post) does not tally with any of the photos/descriptions.

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Re: Are these Panaeolus? [Re: rememberist]
    #23788603 - 10/31/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well, judging from the dark spore print, pale flimsy stems and woody debris substrate, there aren't that many alternatives.
Also, Psathyrella is a complex genus with many species of similar appearance. Neither is it a genus that gets too much
attention in field guides.. What book(s) do you have?




I'm sure you're right. The book is just called Mushrooms and it is by Roger Phillips.

Can we say with confidence that these are not going to poison me if I eat them? I gather that there are some reports of Psathyrella as having psychedelic properties?




With 100% certainty they will not get you high.

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Re: Are these Panaeolus? [Re: Byrain]
    #23788610 - 10/31/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Not pans sorry!

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