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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23788892 - 10/31/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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She has enough political experience that it's impossible to overlook the fact that she's qualified much more so than Donald.  If you don't believe me look up her track record!  Secondly, all of this FBI nonsense is totally "trumped" up.  If it was anything serious the media would definitely be giving her a much harder time.  I just cannot believe people who are voting for trump, it's like he could shoot someone and not lose a vote!  Hillary is your voice people wake up!!! :cheers:




She is the voice of the elite, do you know anything about the political world?  :facepalm:




And Donald Trump is not? I guess starting out with a loan of "a few million" and then inheriting (and promptly driving bankrupt...4 times) a massive real estate empire is just par for the course of the average american...





Working as a businessman is NOT the same as being bought and paid for as a Politician, your inability to differentiate between the two is very telling.




How? Businessmen sell products, politicians sell themselves. They go to the same parties, they play the same golf courses, and they deal with the same public opinion. The only differences I see are businessmen pay the bribes that politicians accept, and businessmen build McMansions while politicians get buildings named after them. Same beast, different suit.

Oh, you mean businessmen that actually build a business? Yeah, they're way different. They usually have drive and perseverance rivaling that of a grad student. Too bad Trump hasn't built a single business. He's great at running them into the ground though!




Trump bribed the puppet politicians, Hillary accepted the bribes, big difference.

If I buy a hooker for sex, that's doesn't make me the same thing as a hired whore.

Trump has told the elites and establishment to fuck off, Hillary can't do that, she sold her soul decades ago.


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: qman]
    #23788914 - 10/31/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Difference is trump is a civilian, Hillary is a PUBLIC SERVANT.  You cant blame he for taking advantage of his situation in life and the laws that are allowed to be in place.  I would do the same in his position and I do what I can with my situation.

You cant even compare.

Trumps having some weird change of heart - realizing his situation and how adventitious and fortuitous his birth is and how corrupt it is at the top since hes had a similar view but from a different stand point.

Hillary literally sold out our country for personal gain and her entire career as a politician and public servant is soiled with corruption beyond belief.  Please practice some simple discernment you cock eyed fools.


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: qman]
    #23789003 - 10/31/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You do realize Bernie would have also brought lots of "Chaos" into Washington, that's what happens when you want change!!

If you're more comfortable with the same status quo that has destroyed the middle class the past 30 years, please vote for Clinton.




Oh, no, I don't want either one.  And I think Bernie would have worked the system, as one should.  Tearing the system apart is not a smart move, imo.




If you want to end the for profit health care system and have a universal health care system, you need to tear down the old one to build a new one.

If you want to end the shitty US trade agreements, you must tear them down and start over, there's really no middle ground.

If you want to stop the massive wealth and income inequality, you need a new economic system.

"Tearing the system apart is not a smart move"

Then you don't want change.

"Bernie would have worked the system"

Then he wouldn't have been able to make any changes that his supporters are so passionate about, just another Obama puppet.




So you want to chuck the three branches of government?  All I'm saying is that you have to work within the system to get change, even radical change, done.  I don't know what you're responding to here.  You want a new form of government?  I say dump Congress in the Potomac tomorrow, but that's not very practical.


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23789097 - 10/31/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Trump is scary because he may declare himself Supreme Dictator and the republic experiment is over.


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23789118 - 10/31/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You do realize Bernie would have also brought lots of "Chaos" into Washington, that's what happens when you want change!!

If you're more comfortable with the same status quo that has destroyed the middle class the past 30 years, please vote for Clinton.




Oh, no, I don't want either one.  And I think Bernie would have worked the system, as one should.  Tearing the system apart is not a smart move, imo.




If you want to end the for profit health care system and have a universal health care system, you need to tear down the old one to build a new one.

If you want to end the shitty US trade agreements, you must tear them down and start over, there's really no middle ground.

If you want to stop the massive wealth and income inequality, you need a new economic system.

"Tearing the system apart is not a smart move"

Then you don't want change.

"Bernie would have worked the system"

Then he wouldn't have been able to make any changes that his supporters are so passionate about, just another Obama puppet.




So you want to chuck the three branches of government?  All I'm saying is that you have to work within the system to get change, even radical change, done.  I don't know what you're responding to here.  You want a new form of government?  I say dump Congress in the Potomac tomorrow, but that's not very practical.




"So you want to chuck the three branches of government?"

:lolwut:  No, calling out the bought and paid for Congress doesn't involve getting ride of our government.

How in the world can you work with a bought and paid for Congress if you don't call them out?  Do you think Bernie could have convinced a bought and paid for Congress?  I don't think so.

Hillary never talks about corporate sponsorship, why is that?  :rofl2:


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #23789121 - 10/31/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Already did. Republicans want to dismantle planned parenthood, make abortions illegal, get rid of gay marriage. Trump already said he would push to get drug tests for people on welfare and was ranting about how evil heroin and mexicans are. I could go on and on, fuck him/them.


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: Love_spirit] * 1
    #23789218 - 10/31/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I remember watching some states start spending seven figure sums drug testing welfare recipients, only to find that drug use among people on welfare was less than 1%, compared to the national average of 9.4%.

Interestingly, every single one of those states has a below average economy compared to the rest.

Of course, anyone with even two brain cells to rub together could tell you that drugs were expensive and most people choose food over drugs, but hey, that's why none of those states are above average economically.


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: qman] * 1
    #23789372 - 10/31/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think we're talking past each other, because I do not disagree with you.  I think we have different definitions of "tearing down."  Of course Bernie would have had to drastically change the way government conducts itself, but I am saying he would have had to go about that through established legislative and executive channels, as specified by the Constitution.  Probably, it would prove impossible.  For Trump, too.


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #23789648 - 10/31/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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She has enough political experience that it's impossible to overlook the fact that she's qualified much more so than Donald.  If you don't believe me look up her track record!  Secondly, all of this FBI nonsense is totally "trumped" up.  If it was anything serious the media would definitely be giving her a much harder time.  I just cannot believe people who are voting for trump, it's like he could shoot someone and not lose a vote!  Hillary is your voice people wake up!!! :cheers:






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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #23789676 - 10/31/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If you don't like Trump then his lack of political experience should be a good thing. All his political proposals have no chance of fruition because he doesn't know how to work the system in Washington. Even within his own party theirs no way the establishment republicans will back trade tariffs.


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: Skellies]
    #23789705 - 10/31/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If you don't like Trump then his lack of political experience should be a good thing. All his political proposals have no chance of fruition because he doesn't know how to work the system in Washington. Even within his own party theirs no way the establishment republicans will back trade tariffs.




You have to understand, the cat is now out of the bag. No politician has even used the word "tariffs" in over 30 years.

Trump now has tens of millions of supporters that demand jobs return to the US, Trump can pressure BOTH parties to follow his proposals because he has proven he has the public's support.

What do you think is going to happen to a Republican if he rejects Trump's tariffs?  He'll get destroyed.


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: qman]
    #23790477 - 11/01/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Tariffs are bad policy and both parties know it.  Republicans have fought for free trade without tariffs for decades and are not going to change because of some interloper crashing their party.  They should have put in super delegates to prevent such a thing from ever happening.

The lower middle class will love it when all their goods in Walmart go up in price by 35% and their cars go back to 1970s quality with high prices. 

Those who have lost their jobs are to blame because they did not adapt to a changing world.  So now they look for a scapegoat to blame.  Losers.


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: fivepointer] * 1
    #23790599 - 11/01/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Tariffs are bad policy and both parties know it.  Republicans have fought for free trade without tariffs for decades and are not going to change because of some interloper crashing their party.  They should have put in super delegates to prevent such a thing from ever happening.

The lower middle class will love it when all their goods in Walmart go up in price by 35% and their cars go back to 1970s quality with high prices. 

Those who have lost their jobs are to blame because they did not adapt to a changing world.  So now they look for a scapegoat to blame.  Losers.




"Tariffs are bad policy"

Oh, so they passed these great trade agreements for the working class?  :flowstone:

"did not adapt"

You're clueless, what's there to adapt too?

"Losers"

Look in the mirror.


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: fivepointer] * 2
    #23792583 - 11/01/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Tariffs are bad policy and both parties know it.



It depends.  While corporations make more with free trade, workers are forced to compete with third world wages, which isn't good.

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The lower middle class will love it when all their goods in Walmart go up in price by 35%



They wouldn't mind it so much when they see their pay go up by 40%.

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Those who have lost their jobs are to blame because they did not adapt to a changing world.  So now they look for a scapegoat to blame.  Losers.



You mean they are to blame because they don't want to work for third world wages.


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23792607 - 11/01/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The lower middle class will love it when all their goods in Walmart go up in price by 35%



They wouldn't mind it so much when they see their pay go up by 40%.




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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: Great Scott]
    #23794223 - 11/02/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Trade agreements are not for the working class, they are for the good of both countries as a whole.  This protectionist crap resurfaces every few years, and when people realize the crappy results of high prices and low quality then it goes away again.

Workers have no rights to be protected from world competition.  They need to get the right skills and locate to the right area to maximize their incomes. 

I don't work in manufacturing and I don't really care whether or not certain workers are paid "fairly", I just want the best product at the lowest price.


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: fivepointer] * 1
    #23794820 - 11/02/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Trade agreements are not for the working class, they are for the good of both countries as a whole.  This protectionist crap resurfaces every few years, and when people realize the crappy results of high prices and low quality then it goes away again.

Workers have no rights to be protected from world competition.  They need to get the right skills and locate to the right area to maximize their incomes. 

I don't work in manufacturing and I don't really care whether or not certain workers are paid "fairly", I just want the best product at the lowest price.




"they are good for both countries as a whole"

You mean, the top .01% of those people. Please explain how running a $800 billion trade deficit is good for the US "as a whole"?

"crappy results of high prices"

Yeah, no one worries about the tens of million of jobs they were lost. :flowstone:

"locate to the right area"

OK, maybe we should send our poor US citizens to complete with workers in Vietnam for .30 cents per hour. :facepalm:

You CLEARLY have very little economic understanding dealing with our current trade agreements, this goes beyond economics 101. Educate yourself.


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: qman] * 1
    #23800513 - 11/04/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

everybody I know is going to vote for her and not the child molester


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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: lurkmode]
    #23800581 - 11/04/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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everybody I know is going to vote for her and not the child molester





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Re: Everyone needs to vote hillary [Re: Great Scott]
    #23802524 - 11/05/16 05:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

did you make that peyotezen or just riding others coattails yet again?


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