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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23788910 - 10/31/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm, I have some experience with genetic loss. I refrain from further comment at this time. All my data is based on Golden oyster, which is not an active.
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dankington
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23788918 - 10/31/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's so crazy! My bunk grows weren't completely bunk, but just extremely weak. Once it was with menace, grown spore syringe to WBS to CVG. The other time was with B+ to hpoo straw. The menace seemed to level off around level 1. The B+ was also MS; spore syringe to WBS. pretty much completely worthless.
Anecdotal evidence ftw. lol. Kinda wish I had all the space and resources to really test these things out properly.
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: dankington]
#23788944 - 10/31/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i gotta research this one. not sure how i dont know about bunk grows ive had shit flushes just lame ass mushrooms but never potency issues.
although the first time i shroomed was with and they were garbage compared to my first home grown.
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: dankington]
#23788958 - 10/31/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Let me share this, which I know its Golden oyster, but lets apply the info and see.
Here is Golden oyster, from spawn, on paper and fertilizer:

Now the same block using the natural fruiting tek:

Notice the difference, and strength?
What changed? I tried to cultivate them outside natural conditions. Possibility of varied temperatures for nutrient breakdown?
In this case, seasons and natural rain, etc.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: mushboy]
#23788960 - 10/31/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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True bunk genetics are pretty rare. I have probably grown out 200 clones and out of those only 2 were no good at all. The vast majority 80% were all pretty average. The most potent were my APE clones and they were insane, about the same as pans. Most of my PE clones were also quite exceptional except for the one dud.
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Mad Season
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23788974 - 10/31/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
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azur said: Can anyone here verify that?
Yes. I have only had bunk cultures twice, both were clones. The second time it was a PE clone and I grew it on a coir mono, a hpoo/straw mono, cased grain and in a bulk bottle with a coir/verm/hpoo/cpoo/worm castings sub. I was convinced of the infallible nature of PE and ran it on everything.
All were bunk. Azur I have long suspected that one of the few advantages to ms is that a completely bunk grow is rare given the averages and anastomosis occurring would prevent many instances of all fruits in a diverse ms grow being totally bunk. Of course with a proven potent clone this is avoided. Hence why it's recommended to test cultures before committing a larger grow to them.
I've grown so many MS grows, all of them on hpoo (literally never used coir yet), and I'd say 5ish times I've had bunk shrooms out of the large amount of times I've grown awesome cubes. I too have thought about the anatastomosis thing making bunk fruits chances much lower
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23788988 - 10/31/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ferather said: Let me share this, which I know its Golden oyster, but lets apply the info and see.
Here is Golden oyster, from spawn, on paper and fertilizer:

Now the same block using the natural fruiting tek:

Notice the difference, and strength?
What changed? I tried to cultivate them outside natural conditions. Possibility of varied temperatures for nutrient breakdown?
In this case, seasons and natural rain, etc.
Hard to say but I can say that the bunk PE genetics produced beautiful robust fruits, not a blob at all. I don't think that fruiting potential is directly corelated to active production. In fact my most potent fruits look wack by normal standards. Some of my more average potency fruits are robust by comparison.
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23789000 - 10/31/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just wondering if putting it into its natural environment would improve the situation. Yea as I said, doesn't necessarily apply. I got a good clone for Goldies.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23789018 - 10/31/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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most outdoor cubes are reportedly less potent.
if we could figure out how to grow azures indoors perhaps we could get strains that were just outrageously potent
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: bodhisatta]
#23789033 - 10/31/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do think that the reason why many hunted cubes are weak is due to a lack of domestication. I'm sure a potent culture grown outside would retain its potency.
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enlightenment
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: bodhisatta]
#23789043 - 10/31/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: most outdoor cubes are reportedly less potent.
if we could figure out how to grow azures indoors perhaps we could get strains that were just outrageously potent
Interesting. I never heard about it. Do you mean the naturally grown cubes or outdoor beds that have been placed by cultivators? Cubensis do not grow outside where I live.
I read a successful psi. cyanescens indoor grow a long time ago. Maybe I can find the link. The guy who grew them made some effort to mimic the nature.
//edit
I did not see your post pasty. It answers my question.
Edited by enlightenment (10/31/16 03:49 PM)
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bodhisatta 
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supposedly beds too. but I've not done the comparison myself
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23789048 - 10/31/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm ok, all interesting comments there, thanks for the input.
@bodhisatta:
Cold water aquarium pump, and the following setup, roughly:

Was an idea for cold gourmet strains.
Use metal clamps, or seats.
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azur
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23789354 - 10/31/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: most outdoor cubes are reportedly less potent.
if we could figure out how to grow azures indoors perhaps we could get strains that were just outrageously potent
I've never experienced this either.
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Pastywhyte said: I do think that the reason why many hunted cubes are weak is due to a lack of domestication. I'm sure a potent culture grown outside would retain its potency.
OR is it maybe because they get picked sloppily, throw into whatever container, sit in the car, and get dried half assedly?
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: morty422]
#23789394 - 10/31/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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morty422 said:

Can't we all just.......get along?

Where's the fun in that?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: azur]
#23789455 - 10/31/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sure half ass harvesting is not going to do them any good either.
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Mycolorado]
#23789454 - 10/31/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: Lighten the fuck up, Amidogen! And who made you the fucking mush cult police....every time I see you post, you're pointing out the rules or some shit. Here's a thought, try contributing instead of playing forum rule nazi.
QFT
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amidogen
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: bacbnr]
#23789503 - 10/31/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: bacbnr]
#23789577 - 10/31/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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bacbnr said:
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Mycolorado said: Lighten the fuck up, Amidogen! And who made you the fucking mush cult police....every time I see you post, you're pointing out the rules or some shit. Here's a thought, try contributing instead of playing forum rule nazi.
QFT
I bet if Pasty runs puppet checker on this, it'll turn up a result.
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azur
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Inocuole]
#23789592 - 10/31/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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