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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: azur]
    #23788343 - 10/31/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yea sorry, going by given data, cant comment. Valid point for me too.


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
    #23788347 - 10/31/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm curious. I mean, some of the old hands had special amendments they'd add to their substrates. People that many of us consider the old kings of cult.

I don't think it's impossible at all. I was considering trying an amendment myself in very low amounts. Like a compost tea. I don't see it as much different than adding the coffee to a grain soak, myself. That's been proven beneficial for stone producers time and again.

I realize these aren't plants, but they're still decomposers. So I think some tea from perhaps a phase II compost could be beneficial, no? I'm not sure about fertilizers specifically though.

tl;dr: I mostly want this in my threads :smile:


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: dankington]
    #23788376 - 10/31/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The way I see it, if actives are composed of xyz, and those components aren't available, potency is going to suffer.  If there is an abundance of xyz, then genetics will determine how many actives it's able to create from said abundance.  Some may be better at converting those components to actives than others.  That said, I've had batches of the same culture grown on straw vs. strw + poo and I thought the latter were better. Could be "bullshit" though and all in the mind.  Still interested in testing it.


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: dankington]
    #23788383 - 10/31/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I agree dankington. But some ferlizers have bacteria added or some kind of pesticide or fungicide.
Check the labels, test small samples, then pass the brand, and take images for reference.

Then you can experiment with nutritional additives, cleanly, no added starch.
Which means you can also control the energy sources and amounts.

Also usable with agar for nutrient or energy testing.


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
    #23788417 - 10/31/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There was a post a couple years ago of where a dude put plant food in his
lc and his recover time was friggin ridiculous. I'll try to find it

No luck but i definitely remember reading it.

Also, this thread and some peoples responses are evidence of that chip
developing on mush cults shoulder.

Too many noobs trying to post like inocuole,
that's the issue  :hehehe:


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23788570 - 10/31/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
Too many noobs trying to post like inocuole,
that's the issue  :hehehe:




Quote:

inocuole said:
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23788577 - 10/31/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just gonna stick my two cents in here. I have grown with brf, straight grain, coir, verm, worm castings, hpoo, cpoo, sheep poo, straw, and many combos of the above. IME none of them effected potency much if at all. My best APE clone still punches your face out your asshole regardless of if you did it on rye spawned to coir or wheat spawned to manure or brf suspended in straw. Same goes for a weaker culture, it was as strong on cased grain as it was on brf cakes as it was on rye to hpoo.

Of course that's just anecdotal. Until someone gets ahold of a GS we can just go by anecdotes. But if coir verm was noticeably weaker or brf was much stronger you would think it would have been noticed by a greater cross section of people.

I do notice that a lot of people talk about their preferred method/substrate/etc as being the best. But few seem to really grow in a well rounded manner anyways so such biases are limited in scope for the most part.


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23788604 - 10/31/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I understand potency has a limit per gram of mycelium, or at least thats whats commonly known for x reason(s).
But I also understand that total yield can be increased via additives, fertilizer, straw, grain flour etc.

So the argument is that total amount produced has gone up, to a max per current gram.
And then more physical body produced, then more compound, repeating.


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
    #23788640 - 10/31/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

A higher yield will always mean more active production within the cultures ability to produce.


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23788662 - 10/31/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think that was the answer azur was after. Thanks again Pasty, nice to have you around.
Personally I am happy with the "increase yield" result bodhisatta gave me.


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23788717 - 10/31/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So answer me this
Many of you, including you, have grown bunk tubs.
I have never (please don't let this jinx me) had bunk crops out of thousands of pounds. And I use hpoo exclusively (except for the amount of times I was out and used coir which I can count on my hands).


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23788741 - 10/31/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Bunk cubes will end up bunk on poo too.


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23788767 - 10/31/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Can anyone here verify that?


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: azur]
    #23788776 - 10/31/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

jesus fuck azur even if someone did you would just say they're BS-ing.

shitty ones are not saved by a magic substrate. the cubes are eating the grass in poo anyway. with your logic straw grows would be more potent. or the potency would come from grain spawn choice.

there may be substrate choices so shitty that the culture cannot get potency up to it's genetic potential sure but even cubes grown on wood seem to be fine just shitty yield

or by similar logic cased grain fruits would be more bunk on average... that's dumb


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: azur]
    #23788781 - 10/31/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm, thats interesting azur, because I've read similar issues with spread nutrients over bulk.
So body before compound production, is there an average bunk amount per kg?

Thing with adding plant to plants, or bland body (vermiculite).
Your not really increasing the nutrient ratio fully.

I mean adding grain to verm, I don't get it, grain is what 60-70% starch.
You could just fruit from 100% grain at its set nutrient ratio.

Or like 99% grain 1% verm, which would be silly.

If I use a fertilizer, the more I use the more the ratio goes up.
Up to 99% fertilizer, which would be far too strong.

Money says you get more if you fertilized grains.

Great test btw, Anyone?


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23788797 - 10/31/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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jesus fuck azur even if someone did you would just say they're BS-ing.

shitty ones are not saved by a magic substrate. the cubes are eating the grass in poo anyway. with your logic straw grows would be more potent. or the potency would come from grain spawn choice.

there may be substrate choices so shitty that the culture cannot get potency up to it's genetic potential sure but even cubes grown on wood seem to be fine just shitty yield

or by similar logic cased grain fruits would be more bunk on average... that's dumb



Not sir. I'm not the one that has ever said post pics or it didn't happen. Wrong guy. Not my style.
And I'm not trying to argue. I'm asking a very simple question: Has anyone on here ever grown bunk cubes on hpoo?  It's valid with the topic.


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: azur]
    #23788841 - 10/31/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

ive never grown bunk cubes on anything. ive done coco, hpoo, cpoo+straw, straw, compost.

honestly didnt know there was such a thing. now im paranoid.
guess ill have to eat a bunch and double check


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: mushboy]
    #23788846 - 10/31/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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ive never grown bunk cubes on anything.

honestly didnt know there was such a thing. now im paranoid.
guess ill have to eat a bunch and double check




Hahaha, sorry not being rude.  :laugh2:


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: azur]
    #23788895 - 10/31/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Can anyone here verify that?




Yes. I have only had bunk cultures twice, both were clones. The second time it was a PE clone and I grew it on a coir mono, a hpoo/straw mono, cased grain and in a bulk bottle with a coir/verm/hpoo/cpoo/worm castings sub. I was convinced of the infallible nature of PE and ran it on everything.

All were bunk. Azur I have long suspected that one of the few advantages to ms is that a completely bunk grow is rare given the averages and anastomosis occurring would prevent many instances of all fruits in a diverse ms grow being totally bunk. Of course with a proven potent clone this is avoided. Hence why it's recommended to test cultures before committing a larger grow to them.


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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23788906 - 10/31/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's worth noting that my first bunk grow was done on brf which is touted by many as being the most nutritious substrate available. Violet has long claimed potency advantages to cased grains because of that.


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