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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: freespeech]
#23787907 - 10/31/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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freespeech said: OP: "I have ridiculous ideas that I want to research but I don't want to put in any of the work to do so. Who's with me?"

Get real. Ideas are cheap. Doing stuff is hard.
Then don't do it? Sorry but I don't get what the problem is there. Uhm, not seeing the bit where I made you do it...
This forum section is really odd.
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mushboy
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23787926 - 10/31/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ferather said: This forum section is really odd.
its full of people crazy enough to grow things that make you go crazy
also in the cultivation forums we see lots of wacky shit.
growing with candles. being immune to law for religious reasons. using choke bags. human shit as substrate. hiding grows from family members/children while on probation. circle jerks about potency and bruising nonsense. 'alt' methods that are wacky. just plain old bullshitting loser boasting about imaginary grows. ect ect.
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: mushboy]
#23787936 - 10/31/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha yea should have thought of that, drug section > asking questions. Its fine, shroomery has a hide post function
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freespeech
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23787941 - 10/31/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ferather said:
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freespeech said: OP: "I have ridiculous ideas that I want to research but I don't want to put in any of the work to do so. Who's with me?"

Get real. Ideas are cheap. Doing stuff is hard.
Then don't do it? Sorry but I don't get what the problem is there. Uhm, not seeing the bit where I made you do it...
This forum section is really odd.
Signal/noise ratio. So far, this thread is all noise.
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amidogen
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23788073 - 10/31/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- The biggest trip of my life was realizing all of the events and actions described in posts made by this account were never real and had never actually happened, but were instead the delusional ramblings of a severely mentally ill human being. I just had to move on for my own good. I love you all.
Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 12:40 PM)
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Mycolorado
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: amidogen]
#23788098 - 10/31/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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amidogen said: What you've got to understand is growing actives involves a good bit of work and, for many of us, a fair amount of risk, to the tune of I lose everything I love and care about if the wrong person finds out. If I'm going to put in the risk, I'd like to know that what I'm doing has been tried and is worth taking the risk.
The whole "I don't want to grow actives, but I had this idea about how you could. Since I don't want to grow, how about you all take on all the cost and risk of trying out my idea for me and then tell me what happens" is what sounds so fucked up to us. Is this starting to sink in on why this post is odd and getting the reception it has?
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think you can count on next to nobody saying "Hey this dude has an idea and is curious what will happen if you try it with actives. I've got time to spare committing a felony, so hell, I'll indulge him and do all the work for him of figuring out whether it's good, bad, or indifferent in affecting my grow."
Maybe indulging the curiosity of someone who doesn't even grow the species in question is something you all do in the gourmet forums, but I can't say I see that happen here, nor that I want to indulge your curiosity, nor that I see what throwing out a request for someone to take on the risk of indulging your curiosity contributes to this forum or hobby.
If you had started this post with "Here's the results of my cube grow where I used fertilizer vs a grow where I didn't..." then this would have gone differently. That's normally how "new" techniques posts start...
Lighten the fuck up, Amidogen! And who made you the fucking mush cult police....every time I see you post, you're pointing out the rules or some shit. Here's a thought, try contributing instead of playing forum rule nazi. I'm interested in running the experiment. Azure is as well as he chimed in above. All Ferather is asking is that if you grow actives, maybe you'd be down to do a little experimenting since you're growing them already and provide the results. Also, cubes are not difficult to grow and are actually less labor and time consuming than most species.
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azur
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Mycolorado] 1
#23788110 - 10/31/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's a lot of noobs in here these days always pointing out rules and shit. And it's fucking annoying. We're all breaking society's rules. If someone wants to break a rule, let the powers at be handle it. One of the many reasons I don't chill here much
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azur
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23788124 - 10/31/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Give me the recipe to follow and I'll get on it this week.
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: azur]
#23788135 - 10/31/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its ok azur, don't worry about it. I'm trying to sort out a user made forum section. I was wrong to ask here, I obviously plucked some strings in people.
I will PM you if-when something is sorted.
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amidogen
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: azur] 1
#23788163 - 10/31/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 12:41 PM)
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azur
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23788166 - 10/31/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't worry about these clowns. This forum is filled with contradictions by the same users, daily. To say this or that, without real data or actually trying it for yourself, is just stupid. As a whole, mush cult is far better at arguing than it is at growing. I've dreamt of the same idea and I'm definitely willing to give it a shot and document it. So tell me if you want the fertilizer in the substrate, all of the substrate, or in the casing, and I'll do it tomorrow morning. Done. That easy.
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morty422
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: amidogen]
#23788170 - 10/31/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can't we all just.......get along?
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mushboy
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: morty422]
#23788179 - 10/31/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: morty422]
#23788182 - 10/31/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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morty422 said:

Can't we all just.......get along?

I was hoping to, thankfully bodhisatta was very helpful and gave me the info I was looking for. It makes further experiments much more strait forward, and much easier.
I can simply focus on BE and yield thanks to bodhisatta.
Tiny bit of data goes a long way
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azur
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: bodhisatta]
#23788193 - 10/31/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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Ferather said: Thanks bodhisatta.
So if I added the fertilizer to a substrate that would be considered weak, would it improve fruiting potential? Lets say I gave it a substrate it can grow but not fruit from, if I add the fertilizer, will it fruit?
The only thing that's increased fruiting potential in the last 50 years(fertilizer has been tried) is using more spawn or supplement in substrate(requires sterilization) those substrate supplements are bran, rice flour, etc... More grain material.
That may increase your yield but not quality or size or potency.
How do you absolutely know about potency? And what about spawnmate?
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: azur]
#23788220 - 10/31/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Probably the same way genetics handle maximum water capacity in a fruit body.
He is saying, at max a new fruit body is produced, I think.
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23788248 - 10/31/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It also would store glycogen (CHO). Then use N-P later for compound production and fruit body development. At a guess, but I suppost it could store N-P too, I don't know. Soil dormancy doesn't say much.
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23788260 - 10/31/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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To me it looks like the active strain is making the active compounds as a storage method. We know the compounds are made from C-H-O-N-(P), and glycogen is C-H-O.
Further guess, N-P are used to fruit.
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23788283 - 10/31/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Reasons could be:
> Bacterial attraction, bacteria may not like the compounds? > Ability to store fruiting potential, and energy.
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azur
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23788336 - 10/31/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ferather said: Probably the same way genetics handle maximum water capacity in a fruit body.
He is saying, at max a new fruit body is produced, I think.
If a new fruit body is produced, then as a whole, potency would be increased. see what I did there.
I see what you are saying though. But you didn't answer my question. How do we know potency is controlled only by genetics?
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