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Ferather
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Lets reverse engineer actives
#23787651 - 10/31/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So without growing a single active, I would like to research and reverse an active fungus.
First step, the compounds in question, Psilocybin and Psilocin. Lets reverse them and see what they are made from.
Psilocybin: C12-H17-N2-O4-P Psilocin: C12-H16-N2-O
So what do we need to produce active compounds:
Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Phosphorus.

100% clean, 100% tested. Who wants to try it?
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amidogen
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23787672 - 10/31/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 12:39 PM)
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather] 2
#23787673 - 10/31/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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lets wait till we are in space and have no biological material to easily grow them on, eh?
when I first got into mushrooms, this would have been interesting. but after a few years, I'm more addicted to the cultivation aspect more than the psychedelic aspect, so even if I could just whip up a batch of psilocybin, i have a feeling it wouldn't be as fun, interesting, or rewarding as growing them, but to each their own.
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: amidogen]
#23787715 - 10/31/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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amidogen said: I'm really not sure what you're asking here...
To try the fertilizer in a grow and see if any changes occur, such as more potency or more fruits.
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amidogen said: You want to synthesize the actives from your plant food?
I want the active species-strain to digest and convert it.
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amidogen said: You want to encourage a non-active fungus to produce actives by feeding it plant food?
No idea where you got that from, and no don't we weird.
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amidogen said: Are you trolling at this point?
What do you think?
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: blindingleaf]
#23787716 - 10/31/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: lets wait till we are in space and have no biological material to easily grow them on, eh?
when I first got into mushrooms, this would have been interesting. but after a few years, I'm more addicted to the cultivation aspect more than the psychedelic aspect, so even if I could just whip up a batch of psilocybin, i have a feeling it wouldn't be as fun, interesting, or rewarding as growing them, but to each their own.
Really?
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enlightenment
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: blindingleaf]
#23787721 - 10/31/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
blindingleaf said: when I first got into mushrooms, this would have been interesting. but after a few years, I'm more addicted to the cultivation aspect more than the psychedelic aspect, so even if I could just whip up a batch of psilocybin, i have a feeling it wouldn't be as fun, interesting, or rewarding as growing them, but to each their own.
100%
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azur
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: blindingleaf] 1
#23787731 - 10/31/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Let's do it op! I'm down.
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: azur]
#23787745 - 10/31/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks azur, and anyone else. I'm still researching cubes, and how they dwell waiting for fertilizer. Such as bovine animal poop, dead leaves, dead straw etc. Used for fruiting materials.
It can obviously colonize the soil just fine, even from spores. Anyhow, fertilizer is fertilizer, organic or otherwise.
Fully soluble means we can use it easily.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23787747 - 10/31/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ferather said:
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amidogen said: I'm really not sure what you're asking here...
To try the fertilizer in a grow and see if any changes occur, such as more potency or more fruits.
-been tried. Potency is genetics, you can feed them whatever you like but you don't fix weak genetics
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amidogen said: You want to synthesize the actives from your plant food?
I want the active species-strain to digest and convert it.
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amidogen said: You want to encourage a non-active fungus to produce actives by feeding it plant food?
No idea where you got that from, and no don't we weird.
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amidogen said: Are you trolling at this point?
What do you think?
Maybe, or at least you didn't try looking it up
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tukkis
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: bodhisatta]
#23787753 - 10/31/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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maybe this is finally the person who'll get that free microscope from RR. hydroponic growing and all...
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: bodhisatta]
#23787756 - 10/31/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks bodhisatta.
So if I added the fertilizer to a substrate that would be considered weak, would it improve fruiting potential? Lets say I gave it a substrate it can grow but not fruit from, if I add the fertilizer, will it fruit?
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amidogen
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23787773 - 10/31/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 12:40 PM)
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23787794 - 10/31/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ferather said: Thanks bodhisatta.
So if I added the fertilizer to a substrate that would be considered weak, would it improve fruiting potential? Lets say I gave it a substrate it can grow but not fruit from, if I add the fertilizer, will it fruit?
The only thing that's increased fruiting potential in the last 50 years(fertilizer has been tried) is using more spawn or supplement in substrate(requires sterilization) those substrate supplements are bran, rice flour, etc... More grain material.
That may increase your yield but not quality or size or potency.
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LocN9ne
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: blindingleaf]
#23787803 - 10/31/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said:
when I first got into mushrooms, this would have been interesting. but after a few years, I'm more addicted to the cultivation aspect more than the psychedelic aspect, so even if I could just whip up a batch of psilocybin, i have a feeling it wouldn't be as fun, interesting, or rewarding as growing them, but to each their own.
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: amidogen]
#23787805 - 10/31/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok, thanks bodhisatta, so yield only, interesting.
Thanks for all the information.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather]
#23787814 - 10/31/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can assure you fertilizer costs way more than say using an extra jar of spawn. And an extra jar of spawn will do way more for you than ferts could possibly
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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: bodhisatta]
#23787857 - 10/31/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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1kg is £3.99 ($4.85) and I use 2.5g per 100g. Not too expensive for 100% factory clean. But yeah 0% energy, just nutrients. Can only improve energy consumption.
As you said total yield, if theres plenty of remaining energy.
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: bodhisatta]
#23787863 - 10/31/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i thought miracle grow had anti-fungal shit in it
not to sound all folksy either but ...when you make your own ayahuasca the materials and energy/method you put in effects the way the spirit handles the medicine.
using something like miracle grow seems like its taking the nature out of the mushrooms. but if you use it and grow a 3foot active cube that you get 12 heroic trips off of then more power to you. but that isnt WHY i grow my own actives. its much deeper then bigger stronger faster.. kno what i mean? 
i like my proven, natural fertilizer.

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Ferather
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: mushboy]
#23787890 - 10/31/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm fine with any reason people are growing actives. Not asking you to change a single thing.
Just looking for data
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freespeech
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Re: Lets reverse engineer actives [Re: Ferather] 1
#23787895 - 10/31/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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OP: "I have ridiculous ideas that I want to research but I don't want to put in any of the work to do so. Who's with me?"

Get real. Ideas are cheap. Doing stuff is hard.
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