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Ayahuasca time
    #23786060 - 10/30/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have 112 grams of yagé and 56 grams of chacruna ordered. Planning on doing ayahuasca for my birthday. About how should i go about brewing with these? I normally use b caapi AND Syrian rue, and also I normally use mushrooms and dmt crystal.
I do plan on adding about 100 mg spice into the chacruna part.

Basically I want to know if I should order more chacruna or if 56 g should be enough. I want to dose two people but I'm not sure I have enough chacruna.


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23787006 - 10/30/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.ayahuasca-info.com/recipes

I was looking at the recipes there and the one for caapi and chacruna just seemed absurdly high. Anyone with any information so I can order properly in time?

Or links to other recipes


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23787818 - 10/31/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Best way is to extract em and dose pure weighted powders. Or prepare for a lot of trial n error.


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: Icon]
    #23788568 - 10/31/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hard to say with viridis I had some that did nothing basically on 100 grams once so I would never buy it anymore. Chaliponga is way better as is mimosa and both I have found to be much more consistent and more value for money. 

And yes forget online recipes as they are often absurdly high and plant material varies so wildly recommendations are just plain daft unless its to say start very low and work upwards. You can get very potent viridis of which 100 grams could give you a nasty shock to say the least!

Im gearing up for an Ayahuasca too this year. Got some red caapi but its been years since I used Caapi and like you OP will have to grope in the dark a bit. I reckon 50 grams but dont know if red is better than yellow, I probably used red many times in the past without realizing it though...

Was supposed to quit all this nonsense but after reading about the British ban on every known psychoactive to man I thought I better stock up. At least thats what I told myself and before I knew it bam a kilo of each!

I never managed to breakthrough with caapi in the same way as I did with Syrian rue though suspect because I eventually did so with rue it will be much easier now too with caapi.

I'm reading a pretty good book about Ayahusaca at the moment called 'the test pilots guide' which is a good read so far though rather shamanic at times...


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Edited by wolf8312 (10/31/16 01:36 PM)


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: wolf8312]
    #23789866 - 10/31/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've been thinking, I think ayahuasca has been wanting me to make a more traditional version. Here is what I'm thinking:
200 g b caapi
100 g chacruna
50 g chaliponga
Divided three ways.
I'll probably add some lime juice maybe orange.

Should I bump up the chacruna?


My normal recipe is:
3.5 g rue
5 g b caapi
3.5 g mushroom
75 mg dmt crystal
1 lime
Per person

As you can see its basically the same but nowhere near. You still have harmalas and dmt but not acacia or chacruna.
I'm looking to make my recipe more traditional as I begin to spread my shamanic dosing


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: Mike4aco] * 1
    #23790020 - 10/31/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How much experience do you have dosing Aya with other people? You don't know how potent each plant or specimen of that plant is, so it's very difficult to estimate a dose. On top of that, each different person's metabolism and stomach content is going to have a dynamic effect on the potency of the estimated dose. You'd be sharing a lot of underdoses and overdoses. What worked for one shroomery member may very well not for you or anyone else. Asking for recipe advice is foolish imo. Anyone taking ayahuasca should know how unpredictable it is, especially when brewed, and should be dedicated to the process of measuring their own personally effective dose. IMO the only reliable way to dose someone with no experience or involvement is to weigh out extracted alkaloids at a ratio to the person's body weight.

That's all coming from personal experience of several failed brews that were either nauseating or not effective or different for each of us. Pharma is effective every time, much more controllable, and thus easier to get a group of different people on the same level.


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: Icon]
    #23790118 - 10/31/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I would agree with that. Dont dose other people. You'll be responsible for anything that happens. If you get into trouble you'll be the one thrown under the bus.

Why not say everyone who wants to try bring their own potion?

Preparation of the brew itself is an important statement of intent that he or she is actually willing to put in the time and effort to make it themselves not just show up at appointed time lazily tailing the flock.

Course I dont know you or your friends so you probably have a better idea about the situation than I do. Are these guys experienced with the potion?

I personally would never give something so powerful to other people though. Could just get too messy and is too much responsibility. It can terrorize the living shit out of people!


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: wolf8312]
    #23797530 - 11/03/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You guys seem to really have misunderstood my post....

I have been brewing ayahuasca for a few years now, usually I use a combination of rue and yagé. Last time I brewed ayahuasca, the yagé spirit told me to cut out the rue and try a simplified recipe. I have been making ayahuasca for a few different people. I am not new at it, I'm basically asking for what ways you make it to have the best results.

I'm trying to decide if I want to make a caapi brew and a separate chaliponga/chacruna tea, or just make one layered brew (yagé and chali/chacruna layers)

Which method works best for you?


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23797616 - 11/03/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The brewing was gonna be a group effort too. I have the supplies and was gonna start it, then pass it to my next friend who is hosting the trip night, where he will finish brewing and be able to put his love and positive intent into the brew while I am at work.
There is a third guy who may or may not join in.
I am doing this on my birthday as a way to share the light instead of keep it to myself. I usually try to find someone who is already interested and give them a chance to try it out.

Both other participants have been given different literature and dietary restrictions


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23797627 - 11/03/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Traditionally it's just one brew, and I think that makes the most sense for a few reasons. It tastes like shit for one, have more to drink with two brews. You're gonna purge too, probably. So if you want more you're best off to have one thing to drink, you know? Especialy if these guys are getting all spun, maybe it's best not to overcomplicate things.


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23797653 - 11/03/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Will there be full potentiation of the tryptamines? I'm worried with one brew it won't potentiate enough


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23797673 - 11/03/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If you are concerned about being wasteful then two brews is definitely more effective but it's harder to get timed right based on everyone's metabolisms. I think that's a big reason why they just toss it together usually and keep drinking.


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23797709 - 11/03/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok the being wasteful is my biggest concern


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23808520 - 11/07/16 03:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Will update later just a quick note this recipe worked perfectly.
I took the total plant material
200 g b caapi
150 g chacruna
50 g chaliponga
100 morning glory seeds
1 g mushroom
1 lemon

And a whole lot of love

Put each plant in a separate 1 qt jar, filled with water
Let soak all day
Filtered water out and then added more and got about half of each plant material (20g chaliponga) added to three pots
Filled with water twice boiled about 3-4 hours
Drank yagé around 11, drank chacruna/chaliponga mix at12

This is going to be really interesting for you guys
My tripping buddy had strep throat so I tripped with his day who is twice my age at least. The recipe worked perfectly for him

I split the doses me taking a little morethan him on each.

Pardon the spelling or grammatical errors as I am still tripping heavily. I will do a better write up soon.


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23808554 - 11/07/16 03:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Terrence Mckenna said the combination was terrible, mushrooms with ayahuasca.

Just keep it at one plant/fungi at the time, they can take you to infinity and beyond anyways.


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23808617 - 11/07/16 05:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thats way too much caapi imo but if youre already experienced its fine i guess


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: alwaysbenice]
    #23808694 - 11/07/16 06:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Terrence Mckenna said the combination was terrible, mushrooms with ayahuasca.

Just keep it at one plant/fungi at the time, they can take you to infinity and beyond anyways.



Man that is so basic. :lol: McKenna was not that special, there is no reason you should take the man's word as gospel. Besides, subjective experiences are hard to describe as fact. For many other people maybe that combination is the best there is. You will never know what interests you if you never do things just because some idiot says it's shitty.


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23808928 - 11/07/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you xlcaps you reflect my sentiment on that perfect.

Terrence McKenna was a man. Nothing more nothing less. I am an man too (not in a sexist meaning, human beingness) we are on the same footing for me the mushrooms added just a hint of something extra.

Did you guys see where I used half of the plant material? I did a cwe of 200 g caapi and then boiled approx 100 g. Is that still a high dose of cappi? Ends up being around 50 g boiled with a tiny bit extra from the cwe


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23811469 - 11/08/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

50g is fine and even 100g caapi might be fine but with 200g youre getting in might-be-a-little-too-much territory.


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Re: Ayahuasca time [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23840068 - 11/16/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The ayahuasca so far has been really good. Its amazing how two people can experience the same thing while on aya.

So I have a small dilemma, I now have four more people interested in taking some, and I think they want to pay me but im not sure I want to get monetary gain.


I've now tripped on this batch 3 times and it's been interesting. I think one thing that stands out is that the latest time I didn't watch the pots I took a nap cause I wasn't feeling well. The previous times I watched it and prayed to it and stuff.

So this time when we were tripping I didn't feel my Self in the aya if that makes sense. Like the previous times I had done this, I had made it possible, and the effects were happening to Me.

This time it was like the effects were happening and it just was. There was no sense of me in making it the ayahuasca felt different. It wasn't ego death whatever cause that part happened on the other times too. The older gentleman I tripped with said he felt something in it like an aura or sense of emotion from me, because when I made it I had said to the ayahuasca I love you and I want you to be good to us stuff like that. And he felt like some of the emotions were coming from me.

However when his son and I tripped, he said he felt a general sense of emotion none of it directed from one Thing, but from all things. We were both overcome with emotion too, it was weird because I actually thanked him and gave him gratitude for letting me have the experience at his house and of course he was thankful for me letting him experience it.

So now I bet if I pulverize everything and do a good long boil on it I can dose all of use I'll probably have to get a little more b. Caapi


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