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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: eeso]
    #23786650 - 10/30/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The general variables that equivilate in "GMOs" (as defined in popular culture) and hybrids or the like include an intentional modification of plant genome.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: eeso]
    #23786662 - 10/30/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Damn those non-gmo heirloom tomato I'm growing with a traced lineage back to 1912 is a gmo according this this guy with a PhD in internet science *cough* Ran-D*cough*  I better get rid of them for some non gmos...   

This idea they are going forward with is a terrible one.  Eventually you could be sued if you cross some strains and end up with some krypto or pearl.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: LeAto]
    #23786675 - 10/30/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have no idea what you are trying to say with that comment. I don't remember saying your tomatoes are GMOs.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: LeAto]
    #23786695 - 10/30/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah leAto I'm not sure what you're saying either.
My point is that "GMO" literally doesn't refer to only transgenic or epigenic modification. And that no matter how you modify a plant's genome it's all just modifying the plant's genome in an attempt to improve it's expressions just the same.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: eeso]
    #23786699 - 10/30/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You're the one that is failing to understand. That 'Just an "opinion"' in the article who's author you're writing off was written by David Warmflash.
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David is an astrobiologist and science writer. He received his M.D. from Tel Aviv University Sackler School of Medicine, and has done post doctoral work at Brandeis University, the University of Pennsylvania, and the Johnson Space Center, where he was part of the NASA's first cohort of astrobiology training fellows. He has been involved in science outreach for more than a decade and since 2002 has collaborated with The Planetary Society on studying the effects of the space environment on small organisms.



What's your credentials?




I lol'd. Astrobiology has nothing to do with this conversation. Do you ask entomologists arachnology questions too?

The bottom line is that GMO and crossbreeding are not the same thing.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: eeso]
    #23786723 - 10/30/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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And that no matter how you modify a plant's genome it's all just modifying the plant's genome in an attempt to improve it's expressions just the same.




You say tomato, I say mutant-fish-tomotto, let's call the whole thing off.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: Ran-D]
    #23786740 - 10/30/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly the whole term GMO is misleading, it does not refer to genetic modification from reproduction, but rather gene resequencing. A better acronym may be GRO, gene resequenced organism.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: Byrain]
    #23786750 - 10/30/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Agreed.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: Ran-D]
    #23787394 - 10/31/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

FWIW, what a word means is whatever people conventionally think it means when they use it and hear it. Dictionary definitions, for example, were not carved on stone tablets carried down the mountain by Moses - they are only the attempts of lexicographers to record how people conventionally use words.

So Ran-D is right about what "GMO" means, but wrong to agree that it's misleading. Nobody is seriously fooled into thinking that the term also covers traditional selective breeding. For better or worse, it's got overtones of "freak organism cooked up in a lab" stamped all over it, and everybody knows that. The fooling happens in people's own heads when, instead of just running with the conventional usage, they start trying to apply reasoning to what the letters stand for. But that's not how language works.


Of course there's a substantive point underneath all the semantic flailing around, which is whether and how much it's worth making a distinction between GMOs and selectively bred organisms. I think that there probably is, but my expertise is in linguistics, not biology, so I will not try to claim any authority on it. So long as, in return, you all stop using shitty linguistic arguments to back up your points. Thank you.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: candry]
    #23787886 - 10/31/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So Ran-D is right about what "GMO" means, but wrong to agree that it's misleading. Nobody is seriously fooled into thinking that the term also covers traditional selective breeding. For better or worse, it's got overtones of "freak organism cooked up in a lab" stamped all over it, and everybody knows that. The fooling happens in people's own heads when, instead of just running with the conventional usage, they start trying to apply reasoning to what the letters stand for. But that's not how language works.




While it was clear to me that it did not mean selective breeding, I have seen other people consistently confused by it and not able to appreciate that GMO and selective breeding are not the same thing including in this thread and which is shown in the article by the astrobiologist. This also includes people that I know to be quite intelligent, granted they may not have the botany or agricultural training which Ran-D or I have received. So clearly it is misleading to some people. Whether that means we should come up with a better acronym or not, I'm not quite sure.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: Byrain]
    #23789796 - 10/31/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

what stops fat cats from from buying your strain and saying it's theirs? are they getting people to buy in to this notion? and how?


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: the_way]
    #23790964 - 11/01/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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what stops fat cats from from buying your strain and saying it's theirs? are they getting people to buy in to this notion? and how?



the point of this thing is to try and stop that.  even if that happened, if you were prudent enough to get your cannabis' genome sequenced and published, then you can prove that you had it first in court.  if it came to that. 


To be honest, GMO-ing a plant is pretty rudamentary compared to say a bacterium or yeast.  They have to take a bit of DNA (plasmid), when I was in school usually from a bacterium or yeast, put it on a needle and poke a leaf with it a bunch.  Then go back and see if it "takes" and becomes 'absorbed' into the nucleus.  could take thousands or tens of thousands of tries.

Nowadays I'm sure they've started printing their own plasmids de-novo and injecting them...this tech moves way fast if you're not keeping up, you'll be totally behind in 5 years.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: Ran-D]
    #23791316 - 11/01/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I tell strains apart by look, smell and flavor. Especially when you talk about strains like Blue Dream and Granddaddy Purple, there is no mistaking either of those.

Now, I also understand that most of the population doesn't know the differences and I have no problem making sure that growers/shops are supplying what they say. I don't deal with half-ass shady people but I know they exist and they need to be held accountable for their work.





I've noticed that some strains are very similar across all of their phenotypes, and some are very different.  Sometimes you can even have a strain that's supposed to be sativa, and it's very indica like.  Blueberry for example, is a strain I've noticed can be quite different across it's phenotypes.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: bigbitch]
    #23791621 - 11/01/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

True. I have some Blue Lotus right now that is a very Blue Dream dominate pheno of the strain, and not all of the plants in the garden came out the same. Strains can be stabilized to the point where the phenotypes don't vary too much though, it just takes a little extra time and work.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: Ran-D]
    #23794685 - 11/02/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah because the phenotypes can even be affected by the environment of the plant, I will be interested in seeing how this whole btc blockchain thing works out.  It would be nice to know exactly what phenotype and all you're receiving.  I've never grown, just a hardcore connoisseur.


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