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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: eeso]
    #23786112 - 10/30/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not talking based on effects, because different strains can have different effects simply based on when they are harvested and a variety of other factors. I tell strains apart by look, smell and flavor. Especially when you talk about strains like Blue Dream and Granddaddy Purple, there is no mistaking either of those.

Now, I also understand that most of the population doesn't know the differences and I have no problem making sure that growers/shops are supplying what they say. I don't deal with half-ass shady people but I know they exist and they need to be held accountable for their work.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: Ran-D]
    #23786134 - 10/30/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I understand exactly what he is saying, and I can see how it makes sense. But I still disagree.

I'm not sure what being an astrobiologist has to do with anything. I have a degree in agriculture, specifically plant science, but I'm not going to pretend it means anything. Knowledge isn't limited to college.





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I'm not talking based on effects, because different strains can have different effects simply based on when they are harvested and a variety of other factors. I tell strains apart by look, smell and flavor. Especially when you talk about strains like Blue Dream and Granddaddy Purple, there is no mistaking either of those.

Now, I also understand that most of the population doesn't know the differences and I have no problem making sure that growers/shops are supplying what they say. I don't deal with half-ass shady people but I know they exist and they need to be held accountable for their work.




Those are all subjective judgments - not definitive objective identification.

And a "plant science" degree is not a "plant biology" degree. I worked on a farm for a decade but that doesn't make me an expert. I go to specialists whom have studied stuff for their whole adult lives.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: Ran-D]
    #23786154 - 10/30/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)


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I understand exactly what he is saying, and I can see how it makes sense. But I still disagree.

I'm not sure what being an astrobiologist has to do with anything. I have a degree in agriculture, specifically plant science, but I'm not going to pretend it means anything. Knowledge isn't limited to college.




Will you articulate exactly WHY you disagree?

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Now, I also understand that most of the population doesn't know the differences and I have no problem making sure that growers/shops are supplying what they say. I don't deal with half-ass shady people but I know they exist and they need to be held accountable for their work.




This speaks in favor of my support for this venture actually.


edit: double quote


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: eeso]
    #23786158 - 10/30/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

My degree is in agriculture, I'm saying all of my classes were plant-science as opposed to animal-science. Either way, you're right, I am not calling myself a biologist so please don't take it that way.

I still fail to understand how an astrobiologist is the go-to expert on the subject, I sincerely doubt he has spent his entire adult life growing and breeding plants. And either way, you and I both see the point he is making, it's not as if he has some magical higher understanding of the subject. It's pretty straight forward.

Look, cross-pollination happens in nature, so basically this man is saying that every living plant is a genetically modified organism. I understand that point. But to sit here and imply that all cannabis has somehow been genetically engineered is an exaggeration at best.

This whole argument is pointless because it's just humans arguing the meaning of made-up words.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: eeso]
    #23786166 - 10/30/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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This speaks in favor of my support for this venture actually.




And this shows that you are trying to see everything I say as a disagreement and a point to argue. :lol:


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: Ran-D]
    #23786175 - 10/30/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I understand exactly what he is saying, and I can see how it makes sense. But I still disagree.

I'm not sure what being an astrobiologist has to do with anything. I have a degree in agriculture, specifically plant science, but I'm not going to pretend it means anything. Knowledge isn't limited to college.




"astrobiologist"- He's a plant-molecular-biologist. I understand "knowledge isn't limited to college." I never went to college (unfortunately).


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Look, cross-pollination happens in nature, so basically this man is saying that every living plant is a genetically modified organism. I understand that point. But to sit here and imply that all cannabis has somehow been genetically engineered is an exaggeration at best.

This whole argument is pointless because it's just humans arguing the meaning of made-up words.




I didn't say they were genetically 'engineered'. But words mean specific things. And 'GMO' stands for "genetically modified organism." Different strains are hybrids, hybridization is genetic-modification. My point stands.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: eeso]
    #23786182 - 10/30/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So every plant that exists in nature should be labeled as a GMO?


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: eeso]
    #23786195 - 10/30/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

GMO is gene splicing not outcrossing.

GMO is the only way to own cannabis unless you alone have it.  They would have to release sterile plants that cannot reproduce.

I suppose legally things could get complicated with pricey rights.  Still can't stop someone from cloning.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: Ran-D]
    #23786196 - 10/30/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So every plant that exists in nature should be labeled as a GMO?




Bingo! That's why the furor over 'GMOs' is scientifically illiterate bullshit.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: eeso]
    #23786249 - 10/30/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So every plant that exists in nature should be labeled as a GMO?




Bingo! That's why the furor over 'GMOs' is scientifically illiterate bullshit.




Ok, so we just agreed that cross-pollination and genetic-engineering are two completely unrelated practices. And I think we both know that when people get worked up about GMOs in their food they are worried about GENETICALLY ENGINEERED products. So now you are arguing that people should not get worked up about genetic engineering because because cross-pollination is technically a form of genetic modification.

That logic though :header:

And still, all you are doing is applying a recently invented term to something that has been happening in nature since the beginning of time, it is an opinion. Who is the high and mighty ruler that gets to decide cross-pollination is genetic-modification?

Look, in my opinion, cross-pollination does not qualify a plant as a GMO. That is misleading and we both know why. Let's move on.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: Ran-D]
    #23786257 - 10/30/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I can see how you say look smell and flavor are subjective and I somewhat agree. But, that is how things have been done for centuries. There has never been genetic barcodes for winegrape varieties, but we still knew/know the differences. There are patented varieties these days, I haven't really looked into how they go about it, I'm sure cannabis will take on a similar practice. I don't have a problem with this, I'm just saying I myself don't need it.

Also, when it comes to cultivation it is even easier to tell strains apart. I was just talking based on a consumer standpoint.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: Ran-D]
    #23786263 - 10/30/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So every plant that exists in nature should be labeled as a GMO?




Bingo! That's why the furor over 'GMOs' is scientifically illiterate bullshit.




Ok, so we just agreed that cross-pollination and genetic-engineering are two completely unrelated practices. And I think we both know that when people get worked up about GMOs in their food they are worried about GENETICALLY ENGINEERED products. So now you are arguing that people should not get worked up about genetic engineering because because cross-pollination is technically a form of genetic modification.

That logic though :header:

And still, all you are doing is applying a recently invented term to something that has been happening in nature since the beginning of time, it is an opinion. Who is the high and mighty ruler that gets to decide cross-pollination is genetic-modification?

Look, in my opinion, cross-pollination does not qualify a plant as a GMO. That is misleading and we both know why. Let's move on.




Who is the high and mighty ruler that gets to decide cross-pollination is genetic-modification? Umm. Nature.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: eeso]
    #23786278 - 10/30/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bingo! That's why the furor over 'GMOs' is scientifically illiterate bullshit.




This statement right hear says so much. You are saying that cross-pollination and genetic-engineering should be lumped together into one category and accepted as the same.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: Ran-D]
    #23786322 - 10/30/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bingo! That's why the furor over 'GMOs' is scientifically illiterate bullshit.




This statement right hear says so much. You are saying that cross-pollination and genetic-engineering should be lumped together into one category and accepted as the same.




They are the same, just achieved in different ways.


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    #23786341 - 10/30/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You're the one that is failing to understand. That 'Just an "opinion"' in the article who's author you're writing off was written by David Warmflash.
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David is an astrobiologist and science writer. He received his M.D. from Tel Aviv University Sackler School of Medicine, and has done post doctoral work at Brandeis University, the University of Pennsylvania, and the Johnson Space Center, where he was part of the NASA's first cohort of astrobiology training fellows. He has been involved in science outreach for more than a decade and since 2002 has collaborated with The Planetary Society on studying the effects of the space environment on small organisms.



What's your credentials?



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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: eeso]
    #23786346 - 10/30/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

And I hear thought you were being somewhat reasonable...


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: eeso]
    #23786383 - 10/30/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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They are the same, just achieved in different ways.




Care to explain how something can be the same if it is the result of different processes?

This isn't just about the end result it is about the process too and clearly they are distinct...


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: musiclover420]
    #23786390 - 10/30/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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They are the same, just achieved in different ways.




Care to explain how something can be the same if it is the result of different processes?

This isn't just about the end result it is about the process too and clearly they are distinct...




Ok, they're not the "same." But they ARE part of the same category. They're different processes to alter the genomic makeup of plants.


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: eeso]
    #23786625 - 10/30/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Datura and broccoli are both plants, what's your point? :lol:

Things in the same categories don't necessarily have much in common :shrug:


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Re: Weed Growers Are Racing to Register Their Strains on the Bitcoin Blockchain [Re: musiclover420]
    #23786642 - 10/30/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Things in the same categories don't necessarily have much in common :shrug:




But when we're speaking of a specific variable or variables that equivilate they do have that in common.


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