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OfflineIfishhigh
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Mescaline tar everclear trouble
    #23785197 - 10/30/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This was my third everclear extraction and what a mess. The first two times were sticky but this time was worse. It literally was like a very thick syrup. I had to put a lot of corn starch in it to be able to work with it . I probably lost a good amount on my fingers and sides of dish because I was getting very frustrated and wiping a lot away with a napkin. Can you guys please answer some questions for me.

1. Will I get sick from the corn starch I used?. Probably around 3, maybe even 4. Tablespoons.  Should I toss it out or still take it ?

2. Is everclear extractions even recommended? Because I find it way to messy and wasteful.

3.from this point forward should I do 99% ISO extraction? I read that the evaporated material is more dry and flaky making it easier to work with.

4. If anyone can recommend or leave a link for a tek that you don't have to be a chemist major i will check that out too. I did the pftek successfully so I'm not a total retard. I am half retarded though


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Re: Mescaline tar everclear trouble [Re: Ifishhigh]
    #23785251 - 10/30/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Corn starch won't make you sick. It's only used to thicken liquids or solidify them.

Yeah man you definitely would want to go with the dry and flakey route so you don't have to add so much starch to your final product.

Don't waste it. Eat those starchy balls of tar!

Don't call yourself a retard. If you can navigate the Shroomery and ask for help you obviously aren't retarded. Not many of us here are chemists. We just know how to follow rules. :cheers:


Edited by BoomBoom (10/30/16 12:18 PM)


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Re: Mescaline tar everclear trouble [Re: Ifishhigh]
    #23785300 - 10/30/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Ifishhigh said:
If anyone can recommend or leave a link for a tek that you don't have to be a chemist major i will check that out too. I did the pftek successfully so I'm not a total retard. I am half retarded though





Required:
12 inch cutting of potent bridgesii
Needle nose pliers
Knife and cutting board
Half gallon of orange juice or lemonade

Step 1
Pull out all the spines with your pliers.

Step 2
Cut up the cactus into large bite sized pieces. Aim for chunks the size of a D battery.

Step 3
Peel the scotch tape-like skin off of the chunks. Try not to lose any of the dark green flesh.

Step 4
Eat the cactus chunks. After swallowing each mouthful chase it with some ICE COLD lemonade or oj. Repeat this step until all the cactus is gone. Usually takes 30 to 60 minutes.

Step 5
Dont puke.

Works everytime. Maximum utilization of whatever alkaloids are present. No wastage.


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Re: Mescaline tar everclear trouble [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23785420 - 10/30/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Grey Fox said:
Quote:

Ifishhigh said:
If anyone can recommend or leave a link for a tek that you don't have to be a chemist major i will check that out too. I did the pftek successfully so I'm not a total retard. I am half retarded though





Required:
12 inch cutting of potent bridgesii
Needle nose pliers
Knife and cutting board
Half gallon of orange juice or lemonade

Step 1
Pull out all the spines with your pliers.

Step 2
Cut up the cactus into large bite sized pieces. Aim for chunks the size of a D battery.

Step 3
Peel the scotch tape-like skin off of the chunks. Try not to lose any of the dark green flesh.

Step 4
Eat the cactus chunks. After swallowing each mouthful chase it with some ICE COLD lemonade or oj. Repeat this step until all the cactus is gone. Usually takes 30 to 60 minutes.

Step 5
Dont puke.

Works everytime. Maximum utilization of whatever alkaloids are present. No wastage.



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Re: Mescaline tar everclear trouble [Re: Ifishhigh]
    #23785513 - 10/30/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You can also drink your piss while tripping and recover a lot of the used mescaline out of that to keep the trip going but like eating raw cactus or cat shit I wouldn't recommend it.

OP is there any reason you need to fully reduce/dry your cacti? I would keep it as a liquid and injest it that way. It sounds like you're left with a sticky mess because it's hanging on to water, it's not dry. The only practical difference between the 99% iso extraction is the ease of evaporation I would bet because you have no water in there to strip.


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Re: Mescaline tar everclear trouble [Re: krypto2000]
    #23785569 - 10/30/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Comparing cactus to piss and shit? More like a bitter cucumber.  It never ceases go amaze me all the crap people will go through just to avoid eating something that is a little unpleasant when it is absolutely the best and easiest way to do this.


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Re: Mescaline tar everclear trouble [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23785663 - 10/30/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

To me that is like saying why go through all the trouble of making hash browns for breakfast when you can just eat the potatoes raw.


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Re: Mescaline tar everclear trouble [Re: krypto2000]
    #23785711 - 10/30/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

To each his own. No tar balls are going to taste as good as hash browns. Capsules arent all that great either.

Do you think that any extraction method will recover 100% of the alkaloids? Even when people brew teas they end up discarding alkaloid containing solid material. Even the white core that is often discarded contains alkaloids. Just eating the whole damn thing except for spines and skin is the only way to get everything that is there. People exaggerate how bad it is. Why use pc san pedro or other weak cactus? Why not just spend 45 minutes eating a 12 inch cutting of quality bridgesii?


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Re: Mescaline tar everclear trouble [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23786269 - 10/30/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

krypto2000 said:
You can also drink your piss while tripping and recover a lot of the used mescaline out of that to keep the trip going but like eating raw cactus or cat shit I wouldn't recommend it.

OP is there any reason you need to fully reduce/dry your cacti? I would keep it as a liquid and injest it that way. It sounds like you're left with a sticky mess because it's hanging on to water, it's not dry. The only practical difference between the 99% iso extraction is the ease of evaporation I would bet because you have no water in there to strip.




I was led to believe that the 99%iso leaves a different result. Being a more powder type.  Am I wrong ?


Quote:

Grey Fox said:
To each his own. No tar balls are going to taste as good as hash browns. Capsules arent all that great either.

Do you think that any extraction method will recover 100% of the alkaloids? Even when people brew teas they end up discarding alkaloid containing solid material. Even the white core that is often discarded contains alkaloids. Just eating the whole damn thing except for spines and skin is the only way to get everything that is there. People exaggerate how bad it is. Why use pc san pedro or other weak cactus? Why not just spend 45 minutes eating a 12 inch cutting of quality bridgesii?



Quote:

Grey Fox said:
To each his own. No tar balls are going to taste as good as hash browns. Capsules arent all that great either.

Do you think that any extraction method will recover 100% of the alkaloids? Even when people brew teas they end up discarding alkaloid containing solid material. Even the white core that is often discarded contains alkaloids. Just eating the whole damn thing except for spines and skin is the only way to get everything that is there. People exaggerate how bad it is. Why use pc san pedro or other weak cactus? Why not just spend 45 minutes eating a 12 inch cutting of quality bridgesii?




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Re: Mescaline tar everclear trouble [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23786351 - 10/30/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I actually just said this in another thread:

Quote:

krypto2000 said:
That's not quite true, it entirely depends upon the thoroughness of the extraction. It's not difficult to get >90% of the total alkaloids if you do enough pulls and are careful not to cause degradation to the target compound. If you also consider the bioavailabilty of the raw alkaloids vs those held within the material as well as that reducing the likelihood to vomit will end up with more total alkaloids utilized you may in fact be more conservative by extraction. I don't know if those later points work out in practice, but I am not convinced that extractions are inefficient.




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Re: Mescaline tar everclear trouble [Re: krypto2000]
    #23786764 - 10/30/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That was about mushrooms, but the same principles definitely apply here. There are undeniable benefits to doing some form of extraction, and when it comes to cacti, most people would just rather not eat the raw flesh and there's nothing wrong with that.


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