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wolfedawwg
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Help ID please, Ps. strictipes?
#23784771 - 10/30/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Goegraphic location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Habitat: My lawn

Gills: Purplish brown with white edge and attached (adnate/adnexed)

Stem: 5-6 cm, reddish brown through the middle, whitish just beneath cap and whitish at base and blue.

Cap: 2 cm, brown and striated edge

Spore print color: Top is quebecensis, middle is this one and bottom is semilanceata.

Bruising: Blue at base of stipe
Edited by wolfedawwg (10/31/16 07:54 AM)
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: wolfedawwg]
#23784929 - 10/30/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not P. caerulipes. Something close to P. semilanceata, I believe. You could take a pin and check if the gill edges are covered by a gelatinous string. If so it would indicate P. liniformans.
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: Anglerfish]
#23785063 - 10/30/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said: Not P. caerulipes. Something close to P. semilanceata, I believe. You could take a pin and check if the gill edges are covered by a gelatinous string. If so it would indicate P. liniformans.
This is the small fella I picked yesterday that I actually did think was a liberty cap but then I found the other one today....

So, I just went out to see if I could find any more and found these 2, partially rotten. Almost looks like some remnants of a partial veil??

This fella was pretty much standing on top of where I found them, just now......lol

I am currently printing Ps. semilanceata, Ps. quebecensis and this one side by side for comparison! The small print is from yesterdays find.
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Edited by wolfedawwg (10/30/16 11:52 AM)
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: wolfedawwg]
#23785207 - 10/30/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The more I research, the more it resembles Psilocybe strictipes.... . It does seem to be umbonate.
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: wolfedawwg]
#23787698 - 10/31/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Spore prints added to original post!! Well, looks like it's going to take a microscopy to figure this out, semilanceata print looks same colour, just not as dark....
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Edited by wolfedawwg (10/31/16 07:56 AM)
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: wolfedawwg]
#23788219 - 10/31/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The more I research, the more it resembles Psilocybe strictipes
Psilocybe strictipes might not even be a separate species. I don't think anyone has ever provided a Psilocybe strictipes to our experts that hasn't turned out to be a Psilocybe semilanceata...
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: knarkkorven]
#23788270 - 10/31/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said:I don't think anyone has ever provided a Psilocybe strictipes to our experts that hasn't turned out to be a Psilocybe semilanceata...
I have a vague inkling of a memory that Alan provided a report and pictures of a woodland find of what was supposedly P. strictipes. This was a few years back. I can't find the post in the myriad of search results, however. I'm not even sure if it was Alan's find, but I think he scoped it and came to this conclusion.
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: Anglerfish]
#23788533 - 10/31/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm sending it along with a couple semilanceata prints to a fellow shroomerite to compare under the scope anyways. All I know for sure is that I have picked well over 20,000 liberty caps in the last 25 years and VERY rarely if not ever did I have second thoughts Identifying a liberty cap but I have been wrong on lots of other shit so........... I also only had 2 decent specimens of this find and both blued intensely within minutes of pinching the stipe, I usually have to go through a few hundred liberty caps to witness this just once and it just never happens that fast.
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: wolfedawwg]
#23788582 - 10/31/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alan said a few months ago that:
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Both Jan Borovicka and I have been sequencing the DNA of various "Psilocybe strictipes" collections, and all turned out to match 100% with P. semilanceata. Also several intermediate forms can be seen, further weakening the case for P. strictipes being real. The supposed microscopic differences are slight and overlap with the micro characters of P. semilanceata. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23434308
Also see: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22430054#22430054 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20627217#20627217 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19114964#19114964
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. strictipes? [Re: wolfedawwg]
#23788599 - 10/31/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilocybe semilanceata
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: knarkkorven]
#23790717 - 11/01/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said: Alan said a few months ago that:
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all turned out to match 100% with P. semilanceata. The supposed microscopic differences are slight
Much respect to Alan, but that statement is an oxymoron and what exactly is a "supposed microscopic difference"? I admit, I am very ignorant when it come to DNA sequencing as I have no clue how that works but, I always thought that with regards to DNA, if the match is not 100% then it's just not the same......
Edited by wolfedawwg (11/01/16 09:05 AM)
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: wolfedawwg] 2
#23791443 - 11/01/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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When Psilocybe strictipes was described as a species, it had a description of the microscopic features, like shape and sizes of spores/cheilocystidia etc. The problem is that these descriptions also matches Psilocybe semilanceata to a very high degree. This fact, together with the lack of genetic differences leads to the conclusion that none of the reported (and analyzed) "Psilocybe strictipes" can be validated as an own species that can be separated from Psilocybe semilanceata.
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if the match is not 100% then it's just not the same
All individuals belonging to the same species does not share 100% of their DNA. Just as you and me have genetic differences, but still being Homo sapiens. The line between species is based on how big that difference is.
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: knarkkorven]
#23791484 - 11/01/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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As I understand it, the regions that are sequenced are those that do not differ between individuals of a single species and are fairly static.
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: Byrain]
#23793671 - 11/02/16 04:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So, as long as I don't send my specimen away for sequencing or Ps. strictipes gets OFFICIALLY removed as a species then I can call mine Ps. strictipes because that's what it most resembles macroscopically... , or is it an unknown species???
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: wolfedawwg]
#23793691 - 11/02/16 04:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The genetics more greater resamble that of an animal more than a plant. So your find and your liberty cap have The same genetics if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: wolfedawwg]
#23793844 - 11/02/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: Psilocybe semilanceata
That is what you have.
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Re: Help ID please, Ps. caerulipes? [Re: wolfedawwg] 1
#23793978 - 11/02/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Byrain said: As I understand it, the regions that are sequenced are those that do not differ between individuals of a single species and are fairly static.
In theory, that's correct. In practice, also appears to be correct most of the time.
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wolfedawwg said: So, as long as I don't send my specimen away for sequencing or Ps. strictipes gets OFFICIALLY removed as a species then I can call mine Ps. strictipes because that's what it most resembles macroscopically... , or is it an unknown species???
Nothing ever gets officially removed as a species - there is a central authority on nomenclature but no central authority on taxonomy.
If you send your specimen for sequencing it would probably match 100% with Psilocybe semilanceata.
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