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First time grower - What do you think?
    #23784500 - 10/30/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hello Shroomery!

I'm a first time poster and first time grower.
I know that this question has been asked a lot but im a bit worried that i might have a contam.
I cant seem to find any threads that confirms my doubt.

I'm working in front of a flowhood, which have been running for about 2 hours everytime i inoc.
I always take all the sterile precautions, rubbing everything down with alcohol, wearing gloves, clean clothes and what not.

Im growing Cubes (B+) on rye and Oyster mushrooms on WBS.

Rye jar 1 - inoc date: 11/06-16


Rye jar 2 - inoc date: 11/06-16


Rye jar 3 - inoc date: 11/06-16


My doubt with these jars is the few orange spots, which i think is just the rye grain laying against the jar.
And these spots that looks like "heavy" mycelium crawling on the inside jar, do anyone no anything about that?

WBS jar 1 + 2 + 3 - inoc date: 11/18-16

4 days after


WBS jar 1 - inoc date: 11/18-16

4 days after.                  11 days after:
     



WBS jar 2 - inoc date: 11/18-16

11 days after:


At first i thought i was growing cobweb in the WBS jars, but i just left them on the shelf to see what happened, and now i looks more like mycelium i think.
The WBS jars "mycelium" aren't packed as tight as the rye jars but they are much fluffier in the mycelium.

I think they look a little wet but i did follow RR's tek on grain prep. I also did the papertowel test, no wet spot. They did condens a bit though when filled in the jar.

I hope you can help.
Thanks in advance!


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23785416 - 10/30/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone?


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23785428 - 10/30/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

so the first jars were knocked up in june? thats how they look now?
5months is a long ass time. jars look bacterialish too.

was this MS for cubes? can only assume edibles were cultures?


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23785436 - 10/30/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not an expert by no means, but they look a little bacterial to me, not very bad. I would wait on someone else to chime in with a suggestion.

Let me ask a question, did you inoculate with agar, or from a spore syringe?


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: thebug76]
    #23785445 - 10/30/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

His WBS is showing 18/11-16. I think he ws trying to say the 11th month, but actually meaning the tenth month. Because if he had meant the 6th month with the rye, it really throws me off on the WBS, cause there is no 18th month.


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: thebug76]
    #23785514 - 10/30/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

First jar is definitely contaminated by bacteria. Jar 2 looks slightly better but still not good. I would spawn it. It will probably fruit nice. A lot of people don't know that they have bacterial contaminations and still have success with their grows.


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: enlightenment]
    #23786013 - 10/30/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Im sorry about the date!

Its ofc 11/06-16 and 11/18-16.

Both sorts were MS syringes.

enlight - would u spawn both jars? None of them are slimy in any way. There's just this little orange spot and the heavy myc.

The date is now corrected.


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23786056 - 10/30/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

In your place I would. I have some more jars ready to fruit so I have harder exclusionary criteria. But it is possible to get good results with your jars. Not guaranteed but possible. Keep us posted.

In a few days I spawn a bacterial brazil jar to coir because it is my only brazil culture atm. I hope to get some prints to share the magic. I'll toss the fruits because I only trip a few times a year. After all I can make some people happy around here. Or donating to the fsre.

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growing actives is like sex for me. I enjoy it very much and love to make others happy with it. But when I am done with a grow it feels like i had an orgasm and don't care about it anymore. :laugh:


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: enlightenment]
    #23786119 - 10/30/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Okay i'll try.
I do have more jars waiting, but they haven't colonized as fast. I wonder why if the bacteria has helped... I definitely keep posting as am in need of the feedback.

In some way that's very poetic. Although i guess thats not good news for the girls you meet in life but it sure will keep you busy with finding something new to give you an orgasm. :wink:

Btw.. What about the WBS jars?


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23788015 - 10/31/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Secound opinions are very welcome!

I'd like to hear something other than "You have a contam."......


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23788062 - 10/31/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

My suggestion is to go ahead fruit your jars and then take a clone to agar. Clean up the clone and fruit that culture.

I was in the same boat as you earlier this year. I used a MS syringe to noc up WBS jars. I had a fair amount of success.

If you are interested in clean spawn and big yields check out some of the links in my signature. Pastywhyte's easy agar is an awesome place to start.
Take a look at Bodhisatta's agar portal to see how easy agar really is.
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Mostly all MS syringes harbor a bit of bacteria. It is a contaminate-but it's definitely not one that is going to destroy your work entirely... It will lower the efficiency of your tub and hurt your yield either slightly or significantly depending on the level of bacteria present in your jars. To me, I can see a bit of bacteria but it is not unlike what I saw in my jars at the beginning.

It's time for agar after these guys fruit!

Get you some clean spawn-learn to read your substrate and get you some massive flushes!

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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: morty422]
    #23788169 - 10/31/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well it's good to hear that it's not totally ruined.
I dont really need a SAB when i have my flow hood. I should be covered in  that area.

I did plan on going on agar after the first flush with cloning as you mention.

It makes me happy that you say the MS has a bit of bacteria in it. It's always good when you can blame someone else for what might be your own mistakes, but either way i think i'll setup the clearning process even further if possible.

Do you think that all the jars are infected, or just the rye jars?
I dont really know about those WBS. They look funny in a way i think.


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23788186 - 10/31/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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TheShroomster01 said:
Well it's good to hear that it's not totally ruined.
I dont really need a SAB when i have my flow hood. I should be covered in  that area.

I did plan on going on agar after the first flush with cloning as you mention.

It makes me happy that you say the MS has a bit of bacteria in it. It's always good when you can blame someone else for what might be your own mistakes, but either way i think i'll setup the clearning process even further if possible.

Do you think that all the jars are infected, or just the rye jars?
I dont really know about those WBS. They look funny in a way i think.




If you used a MS syringe to inoculate ANY jar than I would be willing to bet money that the jars contain bacteria to some extent.

You just can't get away from that - but like I said above... I don't see this grow being significantly damaged. It shouldn't be 'thrown out', etc...

DO however be ready to only get one flush out of the substrate before it contaminates...with luck you might get a second or third.

Clone one of those beauties and say goodbye to dirty spawn!

I G2G'd my dirty jars and grew 3-4 monotubs out of them when I first started...this is NOT what you should do. You should spend your time and energy on getting a clean clone culture and fruit the hell out of that!


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: morty422]
    #23788704 - 10/31/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah okay, i'll have that in mind when i'm spawning new strains from MS.
As long as it doesn't get worse than this i'm glad.

I'll create some sort of bulk tub out of those first three jars that you see on the pics.
Are there any substrate that would suit this situation better?
Right now i'm thinking pasteurized straw and then mixed with either PC'd or also pasteurized verm?

I did expect to G2G with the fastest of these jars, but i guess that'll have to wait for now.


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23789171 - 10/31/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You might not want to put all your eggs in the same basket (i.e. all your jars in the same bulk tub). 

You could case one of the B+ jars without disturbing it. One test for contaminated jars is to shake up the grains and see if they recover, they might not recover at all but could have given out a few shrooms if they had been cased.

these jars of popcorn just had a thin layer of verm put on them to case, and the lid for them is a filter disc. Think they are on their 4th of 5th flush now. Might have got more adding to bulk but I wanted to see how simple I could go, with minimal use of tubs etc.




You could also scoop out the top half or 2/3rd of the jar and case the lower undisturbed grains.


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: blackout]
    #23789183 - 10/31/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:
It is also possible to use coir instead of vermiculite:


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: enlightenment]
    #23789405 - 10/31/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I see what you mean blackout. I think i'll make smallere monotubs, kindda like the  grow kits with two or three of the jars.
I have a lot waiting so i can afford to loose a couple.
I did plan on doing the laundry basket tek with these jars though...

Could i use only verm as substrate? I have a large amount lying around so i'd prefer to use some of that.
Otherwise i'll just buy some kind of small plastic box and put a jar or two in and case them with verm.

How does that sound?

I do like the idea of growing in the jar filled with 1/3 or 1/4 of grains though.


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23789418 - 10/31/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

you can use verm only. It was just an option to use coir because it is available "everywhere". I like to spawn for extra moisture. A casing only will work too. Maybe with a little less yield because of the lack of moisture.


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Re: First time grower - What do you think? [Re: enlightenment]
    #23789463 - 10/31/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I get your point and thanks for the advice . At some point i'll propably be using coir, but right now i think that verm is what i have the easiest access to.

So if i mix spawn and verm 1:1 or maybe 1 spawn to 2 verm in a plastic box/mini tub that would work?


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