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InvisibleThe Blind Ass
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: remake]
    #23783083 - 10/29/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

this is the shroomery.  haha.  talking about how enlightened you are is like being in the locker room of a high school gym and talking about how many women you have slept with.

I like seeing everyone's opinion.  I am not enlightened at all.  Just a dude who likes to check out this particular forum.  Have had mystifying times in life and life itself is a mystery to me and I love it like that.

thanks for your view point.


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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23783103 - 10/29/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think I'm more enlightened than you...I'm with you with the beginner's mind thing. Just seems to be a complete denial of the physical. But yeah, wasn't trying to infringe on you personally...

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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: remake]
    #23783128 - 10/29/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

yeah the distinction and disregard of the physical is lame.  biology major and come from a family of medical practitioners so i was instilled with a love for the natural world since i can remember and am glad for it.  sometimes i enojoi the view that there is a single organism thats huge is physical but because of its complexity an emergent property like mind or consciousness is born, or vice a versa Or even some Inbetween type of them or something else all together most likely.  fun view.  but just a view imho.

Still,  whenever I feel like Im on some special level I just sit on the toilet and go - take this!

Humbles me real fast..thinking im Mr. spiritual figured it all out guy - then having to take this organism to the toilet to release my bowels.  hahaha so humbling I smile . Still this thread is transparent- its mental masturbation.  Please clean yourself off when your don proclaiming your godliness guys.


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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23783175 - 10/29/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I was referring to the current state of our reality being an actuality, not something transferable. And by which views such as oneness or being god are oftenly misinterpreted. And actually causes a greater separation. But okay...each to their own...I think we're all just human beings. I experimented with the idea of being god and got hurt really bad because I was very gentle and naive and shit and gave my love away easily. So, was also just thinking about that. Because although most of us here have good intentions there are some people out there who don't care as much about your feelings. People who love unconditionally are miracles in of themselves. But life is an adventure, and meaningful, I think the goal of becoming GOD is quite restrictive, instead of following your own path and helping others along the way who are in need. And I do believe in 'It', or the source and how that integrates with play.

Edited by remake (10/30/16 04:42 PM)

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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: remake]
    #23783180 - 10/29/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If there is a God I swear there is a lot of different forms of consciousness that it takes.  Surely all the forms and sometimes something new can be a Godlike production.


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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: remake] * 1
    #23783934 - 10/29/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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FranniePilgrim said:
I am sorry man, but you are spreading absolute spiritual poison. What you are experiencing is total isolation and inconsideration and denial of life outside of yourself. In no way are you anything close to god. I encourage you to interact with other people, and you will realize in what a vulnerable position you place yourself in once the tables turn on you and you realize we are in fact separate beings on the same plane of existence. It is a total denial of objective reality.




So, I guess, it's a matter of whether or not you think it matters.

I think it can matter if you want it to.

It also does not matter if you choose so.

What you are is without conditions, all this is without conditions.

The Self, God, not even 'is', because that implies limitations.

I understand your perspective, a little...

What is fear?

Fear is simply ignorance of the Self. You are not the body, you are the Self.

If you understand the nature of Yourself, and the nature of all this, you realise it's all already a done deal - you win, you're safe, birth and death have come and gone already, you encapsulate them.

But I do not preach apathy, I push deeper and deeper into the mystery each day.

The mystery being, what there is.

What there is, I guess, is what is perceived - is what I'm referring to.

It is a mystery that this appears before us though to whom?

I investigate...

There is no objective reality, that is certain. Rip me to pieces, it is only imagination.

You don't exist to have a choice as to whether or not you are the Self, your existence would be a condition upon Yourself.

Try to understand...


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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23783951 - 10/29/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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beforethedawn said:
There is no objective reality, that is certain. Rip me to pieces, it is only imagination.





I would amend that to say that yes there is an objective reality, but at bottom it is equivalent to subjective reality.  The two are one.


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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23784018 - 10/29/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I see it as enlightened or not enlightened are 2 masks worn by the same universal face.
The subject to which all the world is object. That non-person witness that your person plays within.

(  I  )


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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23784175 - 10/29/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I understand what you mean. The problem comes in where you have to realize you are not the centre of the universe. You are restricting yourself. The holographic principle rings true perhaps for each of ourselves, but the way in which you are applying it goes nowhere slowly. I promise if you are investigating every single particle as you see it, and interpret every event it will bring you no closer to who you really are, or are becoming. It lies in action. Physically moving yourself and your body through the web of existence.

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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: remake]
    #23784231 - 10/30/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

All action and all objects(physical & mental) happen in an awareness that is beyond all space and time, and is even more subtle than empty space itself,
since empty space itself is observed.
Even the idea of who you think you are(ego) arises in empty awareness, seemingly implying that who you think you are does not even exist in any tangible way, much like a ghost.

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FranniePilgrim said:
Physically moving yourself and your body through the web of existence.



I respectfully couldn't disagree more, all action and happening can go on forever and will only get you to physical or mental places.
But right here right now, you are already beyond physical and mental, you're just not still enough to realize it.

So, I don't think you need to go anywhere or do anything. Just be here right now.
The idea that some sort of awakening or salvation lay in the future, is just that, an idea. A thought. Nothing.
Seeking the tallest wave when you are the ocean.
Chasing clouds when you are the sky itself. :lol:

The best game of hide and seek ever.


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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23784243 - 10/30/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oh well...don't think there's a rule book to the here and now. But yeah, well, I'm enjoying myself. Each to their own, like I said I guess.

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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: remake]
    #23784247 - 10/30/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:nodofunderstanding: :heart:


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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23784272 - 10/30/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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this is the shroomery.  haha.  talking about how enlightened you are is like being in the locker room of a high school gym and talking about how many women you have slept with.






I wouldn't trust anyone that said they were enlightened, because if such a thing exists, then I don't think people realize they're so.  I think others might view them as being enlightened because their actions show it, but the person who strives for such a thing, is always working towards it, never thinking they have obtained it.

I believe that people that say they are enlightened, are deceived by their ego, and some of these people go on to form cults, or other systems of control used to have others follow them and do their bidding.  This is why we must watch out if we learn an important life lesson, because if we try to force our understanding of something onto others, then we're debasing what we have learned, and turning into little dictators of matters of the spiritual.

Each person must walk their own path though.

Life is to beautiful to argue about whose path is right, and whose is wrong, I want to hear about all of the paths, and learn from all of your experiences, and maybe you can learn from my experiences, the point here is that we're always reveling in creation, in understanding, and love, and learning from each other with open hearts and open minds.

I love you all.:heart:


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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Lucis]
    #23784278 - 10/30/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:awepreciation:



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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23784280 - 10/30/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23792323 - 11/01/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Kickle, no matter where we go, there we are.
All movement seems to take place in mind, and all movement is witnessed by something without quality or movement.
That witness is unborn and without location it seems.

If you can't be who you really are, right where you are right now, than you're still identified with a fictional identity, no?

The 'doer' of all the things you've ever done was seen, so you can't even be the one who does things, so doing more things is just escapism.
Gaining more knowledge is just procrastination.
Thinking that it's somewhere in the future, or that you're getting closer is just a dream.

Maybe it could be so simple?
So simple that most will never even look.

Someone once said: "What you are looking for, is where you are looking from."

There is no way.
A "way" is movement of the mind, moving in consciousness.
Like a wave rising on the surface of the ocean says "I am a wave".
Like the screen a movie projects onto, remains a screen during and after the movie, unaffected by the happenings on the screen.
Even death, even seeking, even sadness.

:heart:




I agree with much of what you say. One exception:

"If you can't be who you really are, right where you are right now, than you're still identified with a fictional identity, no?"

What fictional identity? Identifying with anything is one's true self in the sense that it is what is. Even if that's not what one wants to be.


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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Kickle]
    #23792376 - 11/01/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What fictional identity? Identifying with anything is one's true self in the sense that it is what is. Even if that's not what one wants to be.



The one who "wants" to be anything whatsoever is fiction itself. Your self does not want, it only witnesses. It even witnesses perception itself, thus it cannot even be perceived, much like a knife can cut so many things, but it could never cut itself; it is one.

In a sense, of course all of this is yourself, even the idea that it's fictional or true, all yourself.
You make the entire play possible, not "you" the person of course, "you" the one who watches your person and all it's drama. :lol:

All movement is seen, thus no movement can be you. You are still.


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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23792383 - 11/01/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Again, I agree but think you may be missing the jist of what I'm thrusting at.

Witnessing some things is quite a bit different than witnessing other things. If one cannot put themselves in another's shoes they may not understand this. And they may seriously lack compassion as well as wisdom.

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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Kickle]
    #23792399 - 11/01/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Witnessing some things is quite a bit different than witnessing other things.



How so? All witnessing is the witnessing of phenomenon.
All phenomenon is movement, perceived.


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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23792402 - 11/01/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Then you must see no reason for compassion. That's OK but certainly not my approach. Best of luck with that.


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