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Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid?
#23784129 - 10/29/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looking back, the elementary schools I went to tried to teach me to fear authority intensely. Kids would get punished for misbehaving ever-so-slightly, and the punishment was usually psychological in nature - to make you feel ashamed, or ostracized from the rest of the class.
I remember in 1st/2nd grade we had this one stupid system, for example. Everyday after lunch, adults would escort children out of the cafeteria and onto the playground one row at a time. If anyone talked during that time, then that person was "last." This meant that they had to wait until everyone else went outside, and then a few more minutes before they got to recess. I never saw a point to that except to make kids feel like shit for nothing.
And then there were certain teachers who would use their position of authority to force you to stroke their egos, like they got some sort of subconscious sexual gratification from it or something. It was kind of weird. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Nothing out of the ordinary really, I was always out of line and had to deal with a lot of bullshit because of that, teachers would lie and say I was cheating, stuff like that.
Didn't really care, was expelled from all the local schools by the 7th grade and didn't do anything until college. The sad thing is I basically did nothing in school for the most part and transitioned into college without any issue, that says loads about our education system.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said: The sad thing is I basically did nothing in school for the most part and transitioned into college without any issue, that says loads about our education daycare system.
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Repertoire89 said: The sad thing is I basically did nothing in school for the most part and transitioned into college without any issue, that says loads about our education daycare indoctrination system.
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Wow that's crazy...I had to go through that exact system for lunch to recess when I was in elementary school. Where did you go?
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: goldcaphunter]
#23784205 - 10/30/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol.
You think you can have impactful and better ways of living than what you learned a long the way before you learned them?
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: goldcaphunter]
#23784207 - 10/30/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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goldcaphunter said: Wow that's crazy...I had to go through that exact system for lunch to recess when I was in elementary school. Where did you go?
I was in Texas...I'm sure it's not a unique "system."
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I grew up pentecostal. I was definitely brain washed
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I think to be raised in a Christian home, is to be raised in an environment which is rife with brainwashing techniques.
I was raised in such a home.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: Lucis] 4
#23784308 - 10/30/16 01:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nah man, I strongly disagree. There are open minded people from all walks of life. Believing in God does not mean a home is rife with brainwashing techniques.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: greencrush420]
#23784312 - 10/30/16 01:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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lotta elementary school teachers are miserable pieces of trash
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: Sheekle]
#23784335 - 10/30/16 02:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Uh yeah but more so being made to feel I was a bad kid, I had undiagnosed anxiety disorder, and all of my anxiety appeared to everyone else that I was a difficult kid. I always tried really hard but would fail a lot and became convinced I was just a bad kid because I couldn't do like everyone else.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: demekinfish] 1
#23784495 - 10/30/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You don't feel the brainwash. The brainwash happens without your knowledge.
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#23784498 - 10/30/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: Sanguin3]
#23784573 - 10/30/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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School IS indoctrination, its braimnwahing, its intended to be. its useful and its harmful.
Its been much worse than it is today, but its nowhere near right now.
Children must be free, not drilled like soldiers.
ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL.
STOP MEDICATING THE MISFITS.
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Yes but not by the school system. I think the large majority of brainwashing is from our parents.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: SunnyD]
#23784621 - 10/30/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ain't nobody washing this filthy mind.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: greencrush420]
#23784635 - 10/30/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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greencrush420 said: There are open minded people from all walks of life. Believing in God does not mean a home is rife with brainwashing techniques. 
You're right, believing in God does not mean a home is rife with brainwashing techniques, believing in religion often does mean just that, and I believe religion and a spiritual belief in a deity, to be two different things
Would you agree with that?
Personally I have seen more negative come out of religion than I care to talk about.
I have known Christians that didn't go to church, or get involved in church functions, because they found they didn't need church in order to practice their faith, and they weren't bad people at all, as if I could judge anyone anyway.
Then you have the majority of your religious members, who in my opinion use church as an extension of their personal lives, and use its communal closeness to spread their vapid lies about others, it's just a social gathering, and all a show, with very few willing to actually work towards making society better.
Maybe one of you Christians can clear this up for me, but the bible says where "two or more are gathered in gods name, then that is church" or something like that, so then why even go to some building where your relationship with your deity is heavily influenced by a middleman (pastor/deacon/etc)?
If god is great, then any layman should be able to have access to its glory, without the need for the middle man. If I want a relationship with a person in life, I don't go about forming a relationship with that person through someone else, that would be strange, I go to the person I want the relationship with and open up a line of dialogue.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: Lucis]
#23784640 - 10/30/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its been 30 years since I left elementary school and I'm still fighting to free my inner child from the lockstep of the 1970s schooling system.
With the exception of the canings my education was much like in The Wall.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: Asante]
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Brutal, so like uh, you're still waiting for the worms to come?
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#23784677 - 10/30/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes. As you can see from my avatar, I was born a black male but identify as a 35 yr old white man from colorado
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#23784811 - 10/30/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had to go see mass at a church yesterday
Was laughing at all kinds of shit it was funny
I Was respectful just couldn't help laughing
Wanted to ask so what kind of drugs were these people high on in the bible
Nice church full of art
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: watermelon mon]
#23784817 - 10/30/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Best part is when you have to shake everyone's hand and say peace be with you
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: watermelon mon] 1
#23784818 - 10/30/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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watermelon mon said: I had to go see a mass at a church yesterday
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: watermelon mon]
#23784925 - 10/30/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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watermelon mon said: Best part is when you have to shake everyone's hand and say peace be with you
When I was a kid my mom would force my family to church on Sunday's. At the end my dad and I would sneak out the back so we didn't have to touch or talk to anyone
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: goldcaphunter]
#23784952 - 10/30/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol, same here.. although.. raised catholic.. and I have irish ancestry. They love the booze after church...
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: DJSF]
#23785228 - 10/30/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I had to do a sit-down with our priest before I made my confirmation, which was in his little house, the rectory maybe it is called. Anyways I'll never forget that sitting right next to his armchair there was a cardboard box filled with bottles of liquor. Always kinda thought it odd that he didn't see fit to put that away before he went inviting a bunch of 17 18 year olds into his place alone, but he was a nice guy overall.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23785415 - 10/30/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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My question is what do you consider brainwashing? Couldn't everything you learn as a child be considered brainwashing? I was brainwashed into thinking 2 + 2 = 4.
I was raised Catholic and attended a Catholic school until high school. So that was 15 years of church twice a week for the most part, religion classes, etc. But I never felt pressured to 'believe' what they were teaching us. The teachers, at least to me, did a good job of not forcing the religion down our throats, but more or less just taught us about it and the lessons to be learned. And that is how religion should work. Many religions in the end say the same thing, but just in a different way.
I do remember the whole walking in line shit though. I was constantly 'on the wall' (we literally had to stand/sit with our backs against the brick wall of the school building watching all our classmates have fun during recess) for 5 - 15 minutes during out recess for all sorts of acting out that got me in trouble. I definitely learned how far I could bend the rules and that is something that is still part of me now.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: dodgem]
#23785447 - 10/30/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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dodgem said: My question is what do you consider brainwashing?
I think the distinction between education and brainwashing would depend on intent and who is doing the conditioning.
Retarded beliefs were fed to me growing up, but that was just what my family believed. On the other hand the DARE program is literal propaganda, its a feeble attempt at brainwashing.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: dodgem]
#23785448 - 10/30/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think one may feel brainwashed if they never take the time to look back on what they believe in and question those things. This reminds me of an online philosophy class for my girlfriend (which I really enjoyed) and how ridiculous some of the comments were from people in the discussion post. This was in the first paragraph of the text book that was assigned for the class.
"Many of our religious, political, and moral beliefs are beliefs that we accepted as children long before we could question them or understand the reasons behind them. Philosophy examines these beliefs. The aim is not to reject them but to learn why we hold them and to ask whether there are good reasons to continue holding them. In their way, our basic beliefs about reality and life become our own:We accept them because we have thought through them on our own, not because our parents, peers, and society have conditioned us to believe them."
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: Repertoire89]
#23785460 - 10/30/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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dodgem said: My question is what do you consider brainwashing?
I think the distinction between education and brainwashing would depend on intent and who is doing the conditioning.
Retarded beliefs were fed to me growing up, but that was just what my family believed. On the other hand the DARE program is literal propaganda, its a feeble attempt at brainwashing.
Intent would be hard to justify though. One may think they are doing the right thing and are not inflicting any harm by teaching younger children something, does that rule it out as brainwashing then?
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#23785479 - 10/30/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck dare.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: dodgem]
#23785481 - 10/30/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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dodgem said:
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dodgem said: My question is what do you consider brainwashing?
I think the distinction between education and brainwashing would depend on intent and who is doing the conditioning.
Retarded beliefs were fed to me growing up, but that was just what my family believed. On the other hand the DARE program is literal propaganda, its a feeble attempt at brainwashing.
Intent would be hard to justify though. One may think they are doing the right thing and are not inflicting any harm by teaching younger children something, does that rule it out as brainwashing then?
I agree, and I think your position is interesting.
In a pure sense I don't think there's a difference, so education vs brainwashing becomes a spectrum. For practical purposes it depends on who, how and why.
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Other than pledging allegiance every morning, not really..
I also grew up in a religious environment, never felt forced or anything, it was like going to school, which I hated.. I never payed attention anyway..
I hear finland lets their kids play all day and never give them homework, and apparently they're doing very good academically.. Wish it would've been like that hear, I didn't start learning until I dropped out of school and gained alittle independence.. If I had started out like that earlier shit id probably be an astronaut or a rocket surgeon by now..
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: zZZz]
#23786005 - 10/30/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I seriously think I would have been a straight A student if it weren't for homework. I could go to class and bullshit about any topic with the best of them. I can't count the times I had parent-teacher meetings and they were like "moonrock is very capable and grasps the material, but unfortunately I am failing him because he didn't do homework"
Some teachers would throw me a B because they liked me, but I failed alot of classes where I was taking time in class to help other students grasp the material. Seems fucked.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23786021 - 10/30/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shoulda just done your goddamn homework
But nah i feel ya, my grades were way lower than they should've been bc of bullshit ass hw assignments. I've never failed a class solely off not completing hw though
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#23786036 - 10/30/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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7th Grade Science class Mr Good who everyone loved failed me because I didn't complete my moon journal. In retrospect he did me a favor. He taught me that out of hundreds of kids I was one of two who refused to go out and stare at the moon and draw it in one of those stupid blue test booklets. Out of those two kids I was the one who will go to his grave without handing in a moon journal. Fuck that shit.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23786074 - 10/30/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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We had a substitute teacher named Mr. Good. Called himself "Tricky Mr. Good" and used to say "check, double check, quadtriple check" before we turned anything in. T'was a weird dude.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: dodgem]
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Yeah My Mr Good was a good looking affable blond guy. Honestly he was probably a pretty cool guy, I hold no grudge, but at the time I fucking hated him. I can't imagine it was easy having a badass juggalo like me in the classroom.
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Pledging allegiance to the flag always seemed like some indoctrination type shit, and once I was in high school I stopped participating.
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My mum taught me from a very young age what I feel is the ultimate tool to counteract brainwashing. She often said:
'Question everything. And if somebody tells you to do something and you don't understand why you have to do it, you ask them why.'
Of course I have still been brainwashed at various points in my life, like anyone, but that deeply rooted message has kept me from ever getting dragged in too deep.
I love my mum. What a legend.
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Re: Did any of you feel brainwashed as a kid? [Re: Dark_Star]
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Dark_Star said: Pledging allegiance to the flag always seemed like some indoctrination type shit, and once I was in high school I stopped participating.
It is a kind of weird ritual when you think about it. Pledging to what, not be enemies of the United States or something? Like a pledge to the flag will stop anyone with those motivations to begin with. Even the wording is a bit odd.
I only did the pledge of the allegiance in elementary school though. It wasn't even a daily thing in my middle and high school. Completely forgot about it really.
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I never talked at school
One project was write about your hero in religion class I chose sid vicious
One teacher i had got so angrey at us he had a mental break down
Told us that we are all fucking stupid called us losers going nowhere in life screaming this and that
Felt bad for him his face was all red
I dropped out in the 1oth grade fuck traditonal school liked to bake cookies there that was about it jym was fun too
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watermelon mon said: Felt bad for him his face was all red
I had a knack for doing this to teachers at school. Poor bastards. Still, I was only reacting to the oppressive nature of a system that was forcing me to do a bunch of shit I had no interest in doing - becoming something that they wanted me to be, rather than what I wanted to be.
I just stopped going after a few years and started working as soon as I could, after a few years spent getting high and committing petty crimes in the interim. I didn't enjoy that much either, but gang life is gang life. I was 100x times happier once I had the freedom to do what I wanted to and earn an honest living.
Was talking with a friend last night about having kids - he's planning to, I doubt I ever will - but if it ever does happen, they'll end up in one of those fucking brainwashing factories over my dead body.
I fucking despise the schooling system.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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