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vatman
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No soak no burst oat tek
#23783186 - 10/29/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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This tek has been tested with oats. Will the concept will work for other grains. Not recommend for wbs with cracked corn.
Oats have a water content of 10-13%. After you prepared them you want a roughly 50% water content.


So I weighed out 100grams of oats. So of that 100 grams you have roughly 87 grams of dry oat.
Since you have 13 grams of water already. Take your dry weight and subtract the wet weight from. Your dry weight. So 87-13=74. This means you need 74 grams of water.
Pour the mix out in a Masson jar with the lid intact. no filters and so on.
Place the jar into a rice cooker. MAKE SURE your cooker has water in it to last 30-40 mins.
Also keep in mind your grains will increases in size while cooking. You don't need a Masson jar either. just a container that can fit in a rice cooker or your pressure cooker running at 5-10 psi. my rice cooker has a low psi. Experiment with 5 psi first than move up to 10 if you are feeling it.
 Have the water boil for 30-40 mins. After the cycle is completed you will have minimal residual water. empty your jar or plastic container into a strainer. within a few seconds your grain will be dry on the outside.
 (Was taken right after I poured out the grains)

Fully hydrated and ready to load up into some jars with gypsum. If you wish you can allow to cool for 12 hours for endo spore germination or load up on in a pc and run your cycle. their hydration level is high enough to allow endorse to germinate
Keep in mind a rice cooker is not needed and was used for ease of an experiment. your type and source of grain will have a varying result but overall it is constant and fast. use larger containers to prepare more grains at once. no soak is needed and pat grains want a water content of 50% including the water content all ready in your grain.
Do not hop right to 15 psi you will explode grains.
5 psi is my recommend psi
The larger the container you may need to run a little longer to ensure even distribution.
To further reduce chance of bursting grains you can let them soak for an hour or so.
I'll be updating later in the week with larger runs
Sources https://mycotopia.net/topic/93548-an-aloha-medicinals-scholarship-month-log/page-3
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.alohamedicinals.com/book1/chapter-4-1.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwi0wPv2j__PAhUK2oMKHRcbDkYQFggcMAA&usg=AFQjCNHSjr348ugof0J9K8_bLl5Vk9hJAg&sig2=krWMlvCQ5QZ6hW5YuSiB9A
Edited by vatman (10/30/16 08:39 PM)
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Re: No soak no burst oat tek [Re: vatman]
#23783202 - 10/29/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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oats rule.
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Yup you can get bigger loads inside a pc. I used the rice cooker as a test run and for ease of a test.
Due to how little excesses water your grains will dry to useable water content within a few seconds.
I have been annoyed with how long it would take to prep grains properly with correct moisture content. I'd follow a tek and than have to leave the grains out for a day before using them and I'd have unevenly hydrated grains .
I grow gourmet so I can burn a 50 lb bag of grains in a very short time
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I have 5kg wheat grains lying around. I don't know why but I like to soak my grains. It takes some time but gives me a better feeling for some reason. However I'll give it a try next week.
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Re: No soak no burst oat tek [Re: vatman]
#23783245 - 10/29/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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vatman said:
I grow gourmet so I can burn a 50 lb bag of grains in a very short time

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/13
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vatman
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I know but felt like it would fit well here as this section is where I learned how to grow gourmet mushrooms.
There are a lot of teks here and would benefit the most people here. Most gourmet growers have their own methods that suit them. I'll post it there when I have refined it for larger bulk runs.
I'd like to use my camera but only have my shity phone until Tuesday.
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Re: No soak no burst oat tek [Re: vatman]
#23783332 - 10/29/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Honestly, if you're going to be doing whole oats, I would always suggests Inocuoles method. It works like a charm everytime, your oats are always thoroughly grey through and through (if done correctly) and your water content in your jars are very dry, which is great. There is no tedious measuring, it works with any amount, whether you are doing 3 jars or 30 jars.
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Re: No soak no burst oat tek [Re: Mushierage]
#23783340 - 10/29/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you have a link for us? I don't want to use the search function right now
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Re: No soak no burst oat tek [Re: Mushierage]
#23783344 - 10/29/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: No soak no burst oat tek [Re: Mushierage]
#23783350 - 10/29/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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This will work with rye, millet and so on.
Issue I was having with his tek my oats would take a long time to get to a correct external moisture for bags and sometimes jars. I ended up moving to a cold soak method by gr0wer that is more convenient than his.
Gr0wer's tek works great for jars and good for bags.
This is for something with an even moisture distribution without worries external excessive moisture on the grains themselves.
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Re: No soak no burst oat tek [Re: vatman]
#23783400 - 10/29/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You don't have to babysit with this method. It doesn't even require cooking. But follow the prep instructions and you will have perfect grain moisture and your jars won't be wet at all. Which is good.
Here's the link.
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Re: No soak no burst oat tek [Re: Mushierage]
#23783414 - 10/29/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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TY. I'll take a look.
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Re: No soak no burst oat tek [Re: Mushierage]
#23783424 - 10/29/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't like waiting for them to dry with a fan and an occasional shake.
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It's actually specifically for people who -don't- like babysitting and want to have nearly no possibility of burst hulls. I've done about 40 jars with this method so far and I don't intend on using anything else.
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wtfcrazymofo said: I don't like waiting for them to dry with a fan and an occasional shake.
You should read the tek. You don't dry with a fan. You flash boil and dump in the grain and after 30 seconds, strain and spread. Allow the outside to evaporate. It does not take long at all. Most of the outside moisture will evaporate, any remaining moisture (which is very very little generally gets absorbed in the PC process.
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Re: No soak no burst oat tek [Re: Mushierage] 1
#23783455 - 10/29/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have had a few bursted hulls from that. I'd also would leave it under a fan for a day with his method.
I have over 5 strainers and couldn't get them to an external dryness before they stopped steaming
Also when you say excessive moisture gets cooked away. it has to go somewhere. it can over hydrate grains and cause condescension in the jars. So when you are doing bags and other large containers it can be an issue.
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Re: No soak no burst oat tek [Re: vatman]
#23783482 - 10/29/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't say excessive moisture. I said most of the moisture evaporates. You really want your grain to be pretty dry going in the jar on the outside, but you might have a tiny bit on the waxy hull. When you PC, and have prepped correctly, you should have no additional condensation problems. If it's excessive, you're obviously doing something wrong and should revisit how you are prepping.
I've never once had a burst grain using this method, and being it's a no cook method, I call bullshit.
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Re: No soak no burst oat tek [Re: vatman]
#23783487 - 10/29/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Using a fan for one day is absolutely impractical. I think it could work if the remaining moisture is good calculated. But it would need some test to get the right feeling for it. Once you know your grain and how it reacts to moisture it could save some time. That's all theoretical. I still like to soak for 12 hours, boil for 10 min, dry on a big surface for about 15-30 minutes and load my jars. But saving the spreading over the surface and load it right to the jar sounds interesting to me because my kitchen gets dirty as f.. after spreading the grains all over the place.
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enlightenment said: Using a fan for one day is absolutely impractical. I think it could work if the remaining moisture is good calculated. But it would need some test to get the right feeling for it. Once you know your grain and how it reacts to moisture it could save some time. That's all theoretical. I still like to soak for 12 hours, boil for 10 min, dry on a big surface for about 15-30 minutes and load my jars. But saving the spreading over the surface and load it right to the jar sounds interesting to me because my kitchen gets dirty as f.. after spreading the grains all over the place.
Agreed. You can do the 12 hour soak (do in hot boiled water but don't boil the grain) then drain and boil another pot. Then pour the boiled water on the grain and wait a minute or two, drain, strain and spread. Let it evap and don't simmer or cook. Your grain should already be grey throughout. Load and PC.
It's honestly the easiest method with grain I've seen and I've never once had a fucked up water content on a jar yet using it.
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Re: No soak no burst oat tek [Re: Mushierage]
#23783523 - 10/29/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with you in terms for jars but when using spawn bags I'd leave it out for a day or so. Also even with jars I'd let it sit out for a few hours after straining
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