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CAPE DISSAPOINTMENT IS A TRAP!!!!
#23782757 - 10/29/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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They are watching the fields with binoculars, STAY AWAY!!!! You have been warned...
Edited by Rain_Cloud (10/29/16 02:46 PM)
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
#23782784 - 10/29/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who are 'they'...?
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Anglerfish]
#23782807 - 10/29/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fish and Game Warden, Park Ranger and Pacific County Police...
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud] 1
#23782816 - 10/29/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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fish w binocs lol
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Joie] 1
#23782827 - 10/29/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joie said: fish w binocs lol

I think someone already been in the shrooms...
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: klhouse]
#23783815 - 10/29/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, and they do this every year. That is what happens when thousands of people pick a schedule one narcotic in the open.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Mr Piggy] 1
#23783825 - 10/29/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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People should get organized and go as a throng of people, they couldn't watch everyone.
People with bags with nothing in them should take off running. Annoy the hell out of them.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: klhouse]
#23784052 - 10/29/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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klhouse said: People should get organized and go as a throng of people, they couldn't watch everyone.
People with bags with nothing in them should take off running. Annoy the hell out of them.
I'm in!
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: klhouse] 1
#23785022 - 10/30/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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klhouse said: People should get organized and go as a throng of people, they couldn't watch everyone.
People with bags with nothing in them should take off running. Annoy the hell out of them.
Please don't. The last thing we need is crowds of people trampling habitat and picking every mushroom in sight.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Ran-D]
#23785032 - 10/30/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol they do a lot of mushroom eradication their. So many people still pick thay Park and get away w it. Including me.
But it's a waste of time imo. I spread mushrooms around when I go there tho. Just to counteract the eradicating going on.
If thay place wasn't fucked with it'd be a HOT spot they'd be freaking everywhere
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Ran-D]
#23785040 - 10/30/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The way to do it is to be disguised as a tree, and just move very slowly when searching for the mushrooms. Or just go picking without a disguise, but only eat the mushrooms - don't collect them. If they are in your stomach then there's no evidence, where as if they are in a bag or container in your possession there is evidence.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
#23785139 - 10/30/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rain_Cloud said: Fish and Game Warden, Park Ranger and Pacific County Police...
They actually spend time watching and tracking people out mushroom hunting?
Wondering just how many they manage to catch, and what kind of judicial procedure follows an arrest?
Reminiscing Bill Hicks' line - "There is a war going on, and people on drugs are winning it!"
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Anglerfish]
#23785180 - 10/30/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's a felony... The Judge wanted to know how, in the age of information, every mushroom picker doesn't know to stay out of Pacific County...
Judge said it happens every year.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud] 4
#23785185 - 10/30/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
#23785293 - 10/30/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rain_Cloud said: It's a felony... The Judge wanted to know how, in the age of information, every mushroom picker doesn't know to stay out of Pacific County...
Judge said it happens every year. 
Well, possession of "Class A" drugs is also a felony where I live (Norway), but mushrooms are generally not a priority with law enforcement. The few times people get prosecuted for it, is usually when the police are raiding someone for other drugs, finding mushrooms while searching for speed or whatnot.
If you are caught exclusively with mushrooms, they'll confiscate them, and you'll get a fine. It won't be considered serious unless they suspect that you're dealing.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Anglerfish] 2
#23785328 - 10/30/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is a common sense approach to Law , something we don't enjoy here in North America.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Pinpapa]
#23785696 - 10/30/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Angler fish, )there is one road in and out of this place. And the bulk of the patch is out on a cape. There is posted signs saying mushroom picking. Very well known. Last time i was there just looking there was 4 cop cars and several rangers doing what appeared to be a road block. looking for suspicous people. They eyefucked the hell out of us. They had a kid sat down handcuffed. That place aint worth the risk. I have heard stories of cops coming and just doing terry pat without even saying anything. It ridiculous.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Pinpapa]
#23785888 - 10/30/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pinpapa said: That is a common sense approach to Law , something we don't enjoy here in North America.
I have a buddy who got caught picking mushrooms in California and he got a fine and sent on his way.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Ran-D]
#23786355 - 10/30/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It depends on the cop u happen to encounter and his personal views on the subject really these kinds of contradictions happen all the time due to this here in usa
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Raven44]
#23786369 - 10/30/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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He was one of the cops who was hiding with binoculars ready to pounce on the first picker he saw.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Ran-D]
#23786392 - 10/30/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe it's s funny game to them. Like hunting the mushroom hunters. Easy game
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Raven44]
#23787392 - 10/31/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anybody that goes hunting at Cape D. is a madman.
Back in probably '09-'10ish I was there very early in the season, probably early to mid Sept, literally not even looking for azures; just killing time. I was out that way for work and stopped by the park just to go for a walk and stretch my legs. The weather had been very warm and dry, plus being early Sept, azures hadn't even really crossed my mind that day.
When I got there I parked my truck, and a ranger came rolling by and we exchanged pleasantries - dude seemed nice enough. But before driving away he asked me what I was up to and I just told him the truth - just killing some time and going for a stroll.
Well 20 minutes later after I'd been just meandering around for a bit, dude comes barrelling up on me, hops out of his truck and tells me to give him the mushrooms.
I was just like ...wat? And looked at him like he was a fucking moron. Asked him what the hell he was talking about, and he tells me he'd been watching me and saw me looking at the ground, and bent down go pick something up.
He must've been talking about when I stopped go tie my shoe. I tell him this, and now I can see he's a bit flustered for possibly bugging someone minding their own business and not doing anything wrong.
He goes on about "the problem they deal with in the fall" with this "particular mushroom that's illegal." I reiterated that I'm just trying to enjoy a fucking walk through the park and that I'm out this way for work, etc.
He apologized and drove off.
So just being an early twenties dude wearing a baja pullover in the fall at Cape D was a good enough stereotype for the dude to instantly assume I was picking shrooms and harass me for no reason.
They're really on top of it there.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Raven44] 1
#23787732 - 10/31/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Raven44 said: ?
Maybe it's s funny game to them. Like hunting the mushroom hunters. Easy game
I wouldn't doubt it, most authority figures are into that kind of shit. Whether they admit it or not it takes a certain kind of personality to even want to be a cop.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Oregonic]
#23790745 - 11/01/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oregonic said: Anybody that goes hunting at Cape D. is a madman.
Back in probably '09-'10ish I was there very early in the season, probably early to mid Sept, literally not even looking for azures; just killing time. I was out that way for work and stopped by the park just to go for a walk and stretch my legs. The weather had been very warm and dry, plus being early Sept, azures hadn't even really crossed my mind that day.
When I got there I parked my truck, and a ranger came rolling by and we exchanged pleasantries - dude seemed nice enough. But before driving away he asked me what I was up to and I just told him the truth - just killing some time and going for a stroll.
Well 20 minutes later after I'd been just meandering around for a bit, dude comes barrelling up on me, hops out of his truck and tells me to give him the mushrooms.
I was just like ...wat? And looked at him like he was a fucking moron. Asked him what the hell he was talking about, and he tells me he'd been watching me and saw me looking at the ground, and bent down go pick something up.
He must've been talking about when I stopped go tie my shoe. I tell him this, and now I can see he's a bit flustered for possibly bugging someone minding their own business and not doing anything wrong.
He goes on about "the problem they deal with in the fall" with this "particular mushroom that's illegal." I reiterated that I'm just trying to enjoy a fucking walk through the park and that I'm out this way for work, etc.
He apologized and drove off.
So just being an early twenties dude wearing a baja pullover in the fall at Cape D was a good enough stereotype for the dude to instantly assume I was picking shrooms and harass me for no reason.
They're really on top of it there.
You tried to warn me a couple years back, I saw it in my post history, I should have listened to you!!!!! I'm now facing felony charges jail time...
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud] 1
#23790892 - 11/01/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just think of the good for society these brave men in green are accomplishing.....Ridding the world of those azzures, the bane of our civilization! Just think of all the azzie od's they'll circumvent!
I'm very fortunate to live in the Northeast where cops have no idea about ps. mushrooms growing. Also, no cop in his right mind would try to follow me into the nettle, vines, mud and ticks that I go through to find my few ovoids. I have never once been checked and I've even stopped and chatted with a DNR cop with some ovoids in a bag. Most times I put stinging nettle in the bag on top of the mushrooms, because nettle is actually very tasty...no cop would stick his hand in a bag with nettle in it anyway after doing it once.lol
That sounds crazy out there on the left coast.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Oregonic]
#23790921 - 11/01/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oregonic said: Anybody that goes hunting at Cape D. is a madman.
Back in probably '09-'10ish I was there very early in the season, probably early to mid Sept, literally not even looking for azures; just killing time. I was out that way for work and stopped by the park just to go for a walk and stretch my legs. The weather had been very warm and dry, plus being early Sept, azures hadn't even really crossed my mind that day.
When I got there I parked my truck, and a ranger came rolling by and we exchanged pleasantries - dude seemed nice enough. But before driving away he asked me what I was up to and I just told him the truth - just killing some time and going for a stroll.
Well 20 minutes later after I'd been just meandering around for a bit, dude comes barrelling up on me, hops out of his truck and tells me to give him the mushrooms.
I was just like ...wat? And looked at him like he was a fucking moron. Asked him what the hell he was talking about, and he tells me he'd been watching me and saw me looking at the ground, and bent down go pick something up.
He must've been talking about when I stopped go tie my shoe. I tell him this, and now I can see he's a bit flustered for possibly bugging someone minding their own business and not doing anything wrong.
He goes on about "the problem they deal with in the fall" with this "particular mushroom that's illegal." I reiterated that I'm just trying to enjoy a fucking walk through the park and that I'm out this way for work, etc.
He apologized and drove off.
So just being an early twenties dude wearing a baja pullover in the fall at Cape D was a good enough stereotype for the dude to instantly assume I was picking shrooms and harass me for no reason.
They're really on top of it there.
Yeah Ive had rangers waiting at my car to search me. I know my rights though. those park rangers are ass holes.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Oregonic]
#23790951 - 11/01/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oregonic said: dude comes barrelling up on me, hops out of his truck and tells me to give him the mushrooms.
He didn't even ask what you were doing, just making a presumption you were breaking the law. And what is actually required for these guys to search you? Do they need to "formally" suspect you?
Sounds to me like they're sending their rookies out there to train on mushroom hunters. Either that, or there is too little crime and too many cops: "Ah, damn, no murders or assaults today, let's drive down the Cape and bust some mushroom junkies."
I'd like to see a survey where they compare the "problems" concerning psilocybin mushroom hunting versus their budget spending on trying to cope with it.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Anglerfish]
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It's a scare tactic to try and make people panic. Keep your cool, know your rights, deny, deny, deny. The fact he said give them up as apposed to just searching you means either he did not see you pick them or he does not have the authority to search you. You played it well.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Mr Piggy]
#23791022 - 11/01/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone hunting the Northern Oregon Coastal Dunes should exercise extreme caution as well. Friday and Saturday, I was about with little to no helicopter or ranger activity. Sunday, the popular entrances were blocked and there were signs that said "coast guard training, keep out, video surveillance". There was of course, no training.
It is good advice to deny but it also important to know that there is likely recorded evidence and pickers should know their legal rights and the consequences of their actions before collecting anything.
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Yes, as stated before you are harvesting a schedule one narcotic and it is a felony that can carry prison time.
I was there while they were running drills, it's legit. They were swooping the dunes at low level and dropping divers into the large rolling surf. I had no problems from them, the sheriff was out there as well and he was hunting hunters. He likes to glass from his truck.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Mr Piggy]
#23791104 - 11/01/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe they legally can do a terry pat to see if you have weapons. Cops can say they suspected anything. If they feel a bag full of mushrooms during a pat down. Then you come into the realm of whether it was a legal search or not. This would be left to be decided in court. Meaning one would have to come back to that county for court. Then either you or your lawyer would have to prove that there was no probable cause for the search. Only you can decide if it is worth the risk. Sure people get through and don't get caught. But drug felonies can be really frustrating to be on your record.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Anglerfish]
#23791122 - 11/01/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oregonic said: dude comes barrelling up on me, hops out of his truck and tells me to give him the mushrooms.
He didn't even ask what you were doing, just making a presumption you were breaking the law. And what is actually required for these guys to search you? Do they need to "formally" suspect you?
Sounds to me like they're sending their rookies out there to train on mushroom hunters. Either that, or there is too little crime and too many cops: "Ah, damn, no murders or assaults today, let's drive down the Cape and bust some mushroom junkies."
I'd like to see a survey where they compare the "problems" concerning psilocybin mushroom hunting versus their budget spending on trying to cope with it.
They were waiting at my car. I had all my camera gear (3000$+) and they still wanted to search me cuz I was taking pictures. I said I wasnt doing anything wrong, they had no probable cause, and that they do not have any right to touch the tools of my livelihood.
He said " I know you were picking mushrooms"
I said "no, did you see me pick mushrooms? I know my rights and I know the rangers here like to harass people thinking everyone here picks mushrooms. You dont have any law that says you have to treat my camera gear with respect. So we will be on our way"
they said to never come back. I do every year to take pictures of them, just to piss them off. I like park rangers, but those ones there are the worst and are complete assholes.....
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Mr Piggy] 1
#23791126 - 11/01/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mr Piggy said: Yes, as stated before you are harvesting a schedule one narcotic and it is a felony that can carry prison time.
I was there while they were running drills, it's legit. They were swooping the dunes at low level and dropping divers into the large rolling surf. I had no problems from them, the sheriff was out there as well and he was hunting hunters. He likes to glass from his truck.
We went to another section and could clearly see no drills or dropping...??...
Anyway, it doesn't matter. Just that people should not be prideful and foolish when it comes to such a thing.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Mr Piggy]
#23791176 - 11/01/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mr Piggy said: It's a scare tactic to try and make people panic. Keep your cool, know your rights, deny, deny, deny. The fact he said give them up as apposed to just searching you means either he did not see you pick them or he does not have the authority to search you. You played it well.
Apparently if they watch you picking thru binoculars it is probable cause to search...
I was not aware that they had multiple officers from multiple agency's hidding in the bushes.
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Absolutely agree, it's always better to walk away. I'm not advocating for anyone to try and challenge law enforcement, that's stupid and almost always has a shitty outcome. I'm saying it's important to be aware of your rights just in case you do accidentally find yourself in a tight spot. What you say to the officer can affect the outcome of your court case. It's also important to NEVER physically resist them if they start to search you without permission. this could be construed as resisting arrest or even assaulting an officer. Just clearly state that you DO NOT condone or give permission in any way to the search.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
#23791186 - 11/01/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rain_Cloud said:
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Mr Piggy said: It's a scare tactic to try and make people panic. Keep your cool, know your rights, deny, deny, deny. The fact he said give them up as apposed to just searching you means either he did not see you pick them or he does not have the authority to search you. You played it well.
Apparently if they watch you picking thru binoculars it is probable cause to search...
I was not aware that they had multiple officers from multiple agency's hidding in the bushes. 
Yes, it's called the psilocybe stoop for a reason. If they observe you picking it's probable cause. Be sure to know what you're about and who has authority.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Anglerfish]
#23791187 - 11/01/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oregonic said: dude comes barrelling up on me, hops out of his truck and tells me to give him the mushrooms.
He didn't even ask what you were doing, just making a presumption you were breaking the law. And what is actually required for these guys to search you? Do they need to "formally" suspect you?
Sounds to me like they're sending their rookies out there to train on mushroom hunters. Either that, or there is too little crime and too many cops: "Ah, damn, no murders or assaults today, let's drive down the Cape and bust some mushroom junkies."
I'd like to see a survey where they compare the "problems" concerning psilocybin mushroom hunting versus their budget spending on trying to cope with it.
There is very little to no crime in the area, these people have nothing else to do. They justify their existence by catching the "bad guys" who are mostly hippies and idiots kids picking mushrooms. In the US you are presumed guilty until proven innocent.
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Apparently if they watch you picking thru binoculars it is probable cause to search...
I was not aware that they had multiple officers from multiple agency's hidding in the bushes. 
Yes, it's called the psilocybe stoop for a reason. If they observe you picking it's probable cause. Be sure to know what you're about and who has authority.
I would like to go out there and pick loads of Marasmius just to fuck with them.
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It is better to say nothing and calmly allow whatever is being forced on you than to have a cover story unless you are a good liar 
Mushroom picking body language and behavior is so easy to spot, I look for it myself when I'm out there. I don't speak to other pickers either, no more than hello in response. Once, a few years back, a guy stopped me with a bag of mushrooms and asked me if he had the right ones. It was so alarming and he looked like such a schmuck! He had one of everything in there and it was so obvious he was baiting me. I told him I once read about a mushroom that made women orgasm and was that one the same thing??? Thank you stupid neverending FB memes!
I always have wild rose hips in a cup in my hand while in the dunes which is rather convenient, since the two like to hang out together. If that does not deter a search, there is no more talking except polite response to questions for purpose of identifying who I am.
I have feigned mycophobia and avoided search, although it was very difficult to do with a straight face.
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I've had one other encounter on the coast in which I actually was picking, by a trooper in Astoria. This was when I was a bit younger and didn't give as many fucks, and the cop literally saw us in the psilocybe stoop, while I had a bag of azzies in my coat. He harassed us, we denied and had our story straight, played dumb. He tried to search and we told him to respectfully fuck off in less words and that was that. He did however record my license plate, so I never drove that car while hunting ever again.
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You tried to warn me a couple years back, I saw it in my post history, I should have listened to you!!!!! I'm now facing felony charges jail time...
Wow you're right. I went through your post history to see and sure enough I did warn you.
But wait - you actually did get arrested and charged with a felony? Jesus fuck man, I'm sorry.
How did this all go down? Did you refuse a search? I don't see how being bent over picking shit out of the grass is truly probable cause to search. Can they really ID azures through their fucking binoculars?
Assuming you fully denied a search until they forced a search, I would shell out the money for a good lawyer to fight the legality of said search. If you just handed them over... well... You may be shit outta luck. Thing is cops will lie to you about REALLY having probable cause in attempt to get you to give yourself up.
I have a lawyer friend, so I'm going to ask him what would be required for true, legal probable cause for a search in these situations. I'm a bit curious.
If it's a first time felony with no criminal history I doubt you'll do jail time. But if you have the money you should hire a lawyer regardless and hope to at least plea down to a misdemeanor.
And Joust - that's fucked up man. Taking pics of actives isn't illegal - all of us and the cops know that. That makes me want to go to Cape D and just take pics just to irritate those cunts.
Not that I would, I don't really want to be in their radar.
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Please watch these videos anyone who hasn't seem them yet, you're freedom with worth 40 minutes of video.
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Damn fucking straight.
However people in this thread seem to think that being seen bent over looking at the grass is qualifies as probable cause and makes you lose your rights.
Seems very wrong to me.
Again, and in case people are to lazy to watch these videos - everybody needs to deny deny deny a search, literally make them force you into a search, period. They're not going to "go easy on you" if you admit it, and they could very well be lying when they say they have probably cause so you might as well cooperate. Cops are not your friends, they do not want to help you, and they can legally lie to get you to incriminate yourself. Don't tell them a god damn thing.
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However people in this thread seem to think that being seen bent over looking at the grass is qualifies as probable cause and makes you lose your rights.
Seems very wrong to me.
You're right, I do not know if that is legally considered probable cause. It's likely up to the judge you get stuck with.
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It is a mistake to believe the police are upholding the constitution, they don't have time and frankly it's not their job. That's what a court or jurors and a judge is for. It is certainly probable cause just as much as swerving in the road late at night near a bar is.
You will need good money for a lawyer who can actually prove your rights were violated and even then, any statement you make while in the presence of police that proves to be a lie is grounds to not have your rights upheld. I wish believing in justice wasn't so lofty. Also, it's pretty silly to have a conversation about probably cause and your rights because you are basically giving up your freedom while knowingly breaking the law.
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You tried to warn me a couple years back, I saw it in my post history, I should have listened to you!!!!! I'm now facing felony charges jail time...
Wow you're right. I went through your post history to see and sure enough I did warn you.
But wait - you actually did get arrested and charged with a felony? Jesus fuck man, I'm sorry.
How did this all go down? Did you refuse a search? I don't see how being bent over picking shit out of the grass is truly probable cause to search. Can they really ID azures through their fucking binoculars?
Assuming you fully denied a search until they forced a search, I would shell out the money for a good lawyer to fight the legality of said search. If you just handed them over... well... You may be shit outta luck. Thing is cops will lie to you about REALLY having probable cause in attempt to get you to give yourself up.
I have a lawyer friend, so I'm going to ask him what would be required for true, legal probable cause for a search in these situations. I'm a bit curious.
If it's a first time felony with no criminal history I doubt you'll do jail time. But if you have the money you should hire a lawyer regardless and hope to at least plea down to a misdemeanor.
And Joust - that's fucked up man. Taking pics of actives isn't illegal - all of us and the cops know that. That makes me want to go to Cape D and just take pics just to irritate those cunts.
Not that I would, I don't really want to be in their radar.
Ya, it really does suck. I've never even gotten a traffic ticket and now I'm afraid I will lose my apartment and career due to the charges. I already spent a night in jail and I have to go back to serve more time. I did not concent to the search. For all of these reasons I felt it necessary to make this post. Oh ya, cherry on top was getting my car impounded...
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Can we hear your story? I'm really interested in what happened to you.
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However people in this thread seem to think that being seen bent over looking at the grass is qualifies as probable cause and makes you lose your rights.
Seems very wrong to me.
You're right, I do not know if that is legally considered probable cause. It's likely up to the judge you get stuck with.
Indeed! Hopefully it never gets to that point for any hunter. Being at the mercy of a small town judge is not a position I ever wish upon anybody.Quote:
RiverDweller1 said: It is a mistake to believe the police are upholding the constitution, they don't have time and frankly it's not their job. That's what a court or jurors and a judge is for. It is certainly probable cause just as much as swerving in the road late at night near a bar is.
You will need good money for a lawyer who can actually prove your rights were violated and even then, any statement you make while in the presence of police that proves to be a lie is grounds to not have your rights upheld. I wish believing in justice wasn't so lofty. Also, it's pretty silly to have a conversation about probably cause and your rights because you are basically giving up your freedom while knowingly breaking the law.
Who ever said we were trusting the cops to uphold the Constitution? I'm not saying to sit there and go all sovereign citizen on the fucking cops, I'm talking about what happens after that fact and your fate is in the hands of your lawyer and the court. You just reiterated exactly my point.
Lawyers exist to make sure you get a fair shake with the justice system and that the cops followed the rules and never violated your rights - as long as you kept your mouth shut and consented to nothing.
Silly to talk about probable cause and your rights? Wtf? Alright, pack it up guys, let's all go turn ourselves in to the nearest courthouse for every illegal thing we've ever done in our lives; might as well! People breaking the law still have rights.
Obviously we all take a risk our freedom doing what we do, but that doesn't mean we should just roll over and take the long dick of the justice system or not protect ourselves.
And being stooped over in a field is not equal to swerving in a car when it comes to probable cause. It could be argued that being stooped over in a field picking shit out of the grass in an area known for psilocybe harvesting meets probable cause, but I guarantee it's a lot more murky than that. I'm just creating awareness that even mushroom hunters DO have rights, should exercise them, consent to nothing and admit to nothing regardless of what the cops are telling you - because they indeed don't uphold the Constitution nor want to help you.
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The case hasn't been ruled on yet so I can't say too much. I will tell you that there are officers from multiple agency's both in the woods and at a vantage point looking for pickers with binoculars. I hold no ill will against the arresting officers, they were just doing their jobs but none the less my life is falling apart at the moment.
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Second this. Give us the deets OP.
I'm really sorry to hear what you're going through. I ended up being a prisoner of the War on Drugs at one time, and it's a very stressful thing to deal with.
But trust me, find a way to get a good lawyer. Take out a loan, borrow money if you have to. Having a clean record and a career is largely going to help you and I doubt it will put your life in shambles, but you want to do everything in your power to keep a felony charge off of your record.
If you need to talk to someone that's been through it all (not mushrooms, but still), feel free to PM me. You can get through it too.
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Set up a GoFundMe for your legal fund and post the link here and in various forums around here, I'd contribute, i'm sure others would too. Don't let these fucking swine get you down
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And last year you guys rolled your eyes and laughed at me when I told you I spotted them scoping with binoculars. It would be foolish to think they don't.
I bring mine for viewing scenery and you can just watch these guys. Get a high vantage point and watch some birds for awhile every few hours and if you see something you don't like you can leave before it becomes a problem. I dunno I also like to know who has come into or left the park, too, or if my car is safe.
Edit- And yeah it's beyond foolish to pick at Cape D. Or the entirety of Pacific County for that matter. Unless you like getting arrested I guess. Every time I see someone post finds from around there I get worried, like it's just a matter of time.
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GoFundMe doesn't allow for legal defense contributions.
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However people in this thread seem to think that being seen bent over looking at the grass is qualifies as probable cause and makes you lose your rights.
Seems very wrong to me.
You're right, I do not know if that is legally considered probable cause. It's likely up to the judge you get stuck with.
Indeed! Hopefully it never gets to that point for any hunter. Being at the mercy of a small town judge is not a position I ever wish upon anybody.Quote:
RiverDweller1 said: It is a mistake to believe the police are upholding the constitution, they don't have time and frankly it's not their job. That's what a court or jurors and a judge is for. It is certainly probable cause just as much as swerving in the road late at night near a bar is.
You will need good money for a lawyer who can actually prove your rights were violated and even then, any statement you make while in the presence of police that proves to be a lie is grounds to not have your rights upheld. I wish believing in justice wasn't so lofty. Also, it's pretty silly to have a conversation about probably cause and your rights because you are basically giving up your freedom while knowingly breaking the law.
Who ever said we were trusting the cops to uphold the Constitution? I'm not saying to sit there and go all sovereign citizen on the fucking cops, I'm talking about what happens after that fact and your fate is in the hands of your lawyer and the court. You just reiterated exactly my point.
Lawyers exist to make sure you get a fair shake with the justice system and that the cops followed the rules and never violated your rights - as long as you kept your mouth shut and consented to nothing.
Silly to talk about probable cause and your rights? Wtf? Alright, pack it up guys, let's all go turn ourselves in to the nearest courthouse for every illegal thing we've ever done in our lives; might as well! People breaking the law still have rights.
Obviously we all take a risk our freedom doing what we do, but that doesn't mean we should just roll over and take the long dick of the justice system or not protect ourselves.
And being stooped over in a field is not equal to swerving in a car when it comes to probable cause. It could be argued that being stooped over in a field picking shit out of the grass in an area known for psilocybe harvesting meets probable cause, but I guarantee it's a lot more murky than that. I'm just creating awareness that even mushroom hunters DO have rights, should exercise them, consent to nothing and admit to nothing regardless of what the cops are telling you - because they indeed don't uphold the Constitution nor want to help you.
go easy, man. Maybe you didn't read my other responses in this thread but I'm clearly not saying anything you just vomited up here. Peace.
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Apparently if they watch you picking thru binoculars it is probable cause to search...
I was not aware that they had multiple officers from multiple agency's hidding in the bushes. 
Yes, it's called the psilocybe stoop for a reason. If they observe you picking it's probable cause. Be sure to know what you're about and who has authority.
I would like to go out there and pick loads of Marasmius just to fuck with them.
  
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Maynard saved me a lot of trouble posting these back in the day. Give it a watch if you havent. Thanks man!
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Most people don't have it in them to just not talk to the cops. Most people break weak and start runnin there neck. and 9 out of 10 times they will blame it on whom ever there with. For the most part, people have a weak constitution in my opinion.
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However people in this thread seem to think that being seen bent over looking at the grass is qualifies as probable cause and makes you lose your rights.
Seems very wrong to me.
You're right, I do not know if that is legally considered probable cause. It's likely up to the judge you get stuck with.
Indeed! Hopefully it never gets to that point for any hunter. Being at the mercy of a small town judge is not a position I ever wish upon anybody.Quote:
RiverDweller1 said: It is a mistake to believe the police are upholding the constitution, they don't have time and frankly it's not their job. That's what a court or jurors and a judge is for. It is certainly probable cause just as much as swerving in the road late at night near a bar is.
You will need good money for a lawyer who can actually prove your rights were violated and even then, any statement you make while in the presence of police that proves to be a lie is grounds to not have your rights upheld. I wish believing in justice wasn't so lofty. Also, it's pretty silly to have a conversation about probably cause and your rights because you are basically giving up your freedom while knowingly breaking the law.
Who ever said we were trusting the cops to uphold the Constitution? I'm not saying to sit there and go all sovereign citizen on the fucking cops, I'm talking about what happens after that fact and your fate is in the hands of your lawyer and the court. You just reiterated exactly my point.
Lawyers exist to make sure you get a fair shake with the justice system and that the cops followed the rules and never violated your rights - as long as you kept your mouth shut and consented to nothing.
Silly to talk about probable cause and your rights? Wtf? Alright, pack it up guys, let's all go turn ourselves in to the nearest courthouse for every illegal thing we've ever done in our lives; might as well! People breaking the law still have rights.
Obviously we all take a risk our freedom doing what we do, but that doesn't mean we should just roll over and take the long dick of the justice system or not protect ourselves.
And being stooped over in a field is not equal to swerving in a car when it comes to probable cause. It could be argued that being stooped over in a field picking shit out of the grass in an area known for psilocybe harvesting meets probable cause, but I guarantee it's a lot more murky than that. I'm just creating awareness that even mushroom hunters DO have rights, should exercise them, consent to nothing and admit to nothing regardless of what the cops are telling you - because they indeed don't uphold the Constitution nor want to help you.
go easy, man. Maybe you didn't read my other responses in this thread but I'm clearly not saying anything you just vomited up here. Peace.
...I vomited? Excuse me? I read your other responses just fine; I was replying directly to your response I quoted. Mainly your mention of saying it's silly to discuss our rights and probable cause because we're already breaking the law so fuck it.
My apologies for getting slightly heated, but the above statement is dangerous, careless and reckless. You're literally saying disregard your rights and understanding of the law in a forum where people need to understand their rights and probable cause.
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Anyway, isn't there a way OP could create a PayPal account for us to anonymously donate funds for legal defense?
Pretty sure I remember folks doing that in canna forums in the past.
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You can't do that on the boards anymore. I think the 300 dollar carrot-in-her-ass gofundme thread was the nail on the coffin. You're more than welcome to help someone privately but if a thread was made it would get taken down.
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Lmao apparently I missed that one.
Understandable though, most forums don't allow fundraising of sorts because of the possible abuse of it anyway.
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No, I'm not. Maybe I didn't word it well. I am saying you are giving up your right to freedom when you choose to commit crime. Being smart and not getting charged is the relevant thing. I'm basically saying what you and most others are saying, only adding that most people do not hold the sobering reality that you choose your consequences when you choose to commit a crime.
I'm not sure how you got so spun out on me but it's all good since we've both made the same points and are in agreement.
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RiverDweller1 said: No, I'm not. Maybe I didn't word it well. I am saying you are giving up your right to freedom when you choose to commit crime. Being smart and not getting charged is the relevant thing. I'm basically saying what you and most others are saying, only adding that most people do not hold the sobering reality that you choose your consequences when you choose to commit a crime.
I'm not sure how you got so spun out on me but it's all good since we've both made the same points and are in agreement.
Yeah, we made the same points and are in agreement indeed, it was just the one comment that rubbed me wrong. Things can be subjectively interpreted and expressed through text, in happens.
Not getting charged in the first place is by far the most important, but unfortunately even the best of us can end up in a shitty situation. And handling that shitty situation properly can make all the difference if you end up getting arrested by overzealous pigs, so that was mainly the point I was making.
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Answer every question with "Am I being detained and am I free to go?" Works well at border stops, that aren't borders, 100 miles from a border. Also it works with open carry activists that police wish to harrass in legal open carry states.
The situation sucks, but if you think about it, they most likely have all the hot spots pre marked like WWII artillery. All is takes is a 15 min visit by a local, county or state botanist during their morning tail gate/plan of attack meeting with all the involved law enforcement.
And.....do you all glass the area a head of time to get the lay of the land and take a loop with your car to see if there are any LEOs vehicles around. I would. Apologies if I am being a busy body, just my thoughts.
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Adden said: You can't do that on the boards anymore. I think the 300 dollar carrot-in-her-ass gofundme thread was the nail on the coffin. You're more than welcome to help someone privately but if a thread was made it would get taken down.
Umm what? Do you happen to have a link to this so I know which URL to avoid...
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Adden]
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EVERYONE SHUT UP, THIS IS IMPORTANT!
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Mr Piggy]
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You owe us a story.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: P.Goose]
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Eh, it's just Pub drama. A user and her boyfriend got popped so she setup a gofundme. She didn't get many donations so she offered to do things for cash. At some point someone said they'd rather see her plug and eat a carrot. She settled for plugging. All in all, they got either like 130 bucks or 310, I forget which. After all the boys had their fun, it got shut down from all the ruckus and discord it caused (on top of making the website look bad) and now we can't do them anymore. Really all there is to it.. check the Pub search engine, I feel like a gossip and don't want to drop names here since this place and some mushroom forums are all that matter on this site, and I don't want to get banned from here.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Talked to a private lawyer yesterday. They want 6,500 and it sounds like there is little to no chance theywill be able to do anything for me, although they are more than happy to take my money and try. LOL. The whole case seems to come down to the fact that ALL mushroom harvesting is a criminal act inside Cape Disspointment park. This means that once they watched me pick a mushroom, any mushroom, my goose was cooked...
I'll be sure to write up a detailed account for you guys when this is all settled
Moral of the story is STAY AWAY from Cape dissapointment!!!!!
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
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That's really fucked. Keep the chin up OP...sounds like a great place to avoid.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
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Rain_Cloud said: Talked to a private lawyer yesterday. They want 6,500 and it sounds like there is little to no chance theywill be able to do anything for me, although they are more than happy to take my money and try. LOL. The whole case seems to come down to the fact that ALL mushroom harvesting is a criminal act inside Cape Disspointment park. This means that once they watched me pick a mushroom, any mushroom, my goose was cooked...
I'll be sure to write up a detailed account for you guys when this is all settled
Moral of the story is STAY AWAY from Cape dissapointment!!!!!
Even though it may be illegal, it's not a felony to pick non-active mushrooms though right? How many azures did they catch you with?
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
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6500 is too much for a lawyer - especially in a case like this where you'll probably get the same outcome with or without a lawyer. 1500 or 2000 would be a reasonable rate - especially since all they'd be doing is helping you negotiate a deal with the prosecutor.
A lawyer might be able to negotiate a plea, but you could also do that too, and likely get the same deal.
Is diversion an option? That'd be the way to go if it is. You can just show up to court and ask for it. Or ask the DA if he'd be willing to settle for a misdemeanor charge.
I agree with the lawyer that you won't likely be able to beat this one, since they saw you doing something illegal.
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Rain_Cloud said: Talked to a private lawyer yesterday. They want 6,500 and it sounds like there is little to no chance theywill be able to do anything for me, although they are more than happy to take my money and try. LOL. The whole case seems to come down to the fact that ALL mushroom harvesting is a criminal act inside Cape Disspointment park. This means that once they watched me pick a mushroom, any mushroom, my goose was cooked...
I'll be sure to write up a detailed account for you guys when this is all settled
Moral of the story is STAY AWAY from Cape dissapointment!!!!!
Even though it may be illegal, it's not a felony to pick non-active mushrooms though right? How many azures did they catch you with?
I'm sure wild mushrooms aren't a felony but committing a criminal act gives them probable cause, which means they can search your bag without a warrant regardless of any permission you may or may not give them to do so. If picking edible mushrooms had been permitted (as it is in every other state park I can think of) then the officers would have to testify that they positively ID the mushrooms through binoculars, which as we all know isn't possible. I'm sure that edible foraging was outlawed there for exactly this reason. Apparently possession of just one azzie is enough to book you and the the lowest possible charge, 1 count of "possession of psilocybin" is a felony charge....
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
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Thanks for all the support guys, I've read every post in this thread and I really appreciate all the kind words.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
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I wish you well man, good luck.  No matter what happens life goes on, some day you'll be able to laugh about this and hopefully others can learn from your mistake. Just be grateful that you don't have to stick carrot in your butt for money.
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6500 is quite a lot, but for pretty much any felony case in SW WA the price is going to start around 3500. I've never heard of a lawyer taking a felony case around here for less than that.
And Alan, no offense my friend and with all due respect, nobody in their right mind should ever try to represent themselves in court; even if it's to negotiate a plea deal.
The good thing is that getting a court appointed attorney in WA is quite easier than most states, so hey Rain_Cloud, even if you don't want to put out the funds for a lawyer, you'll at least have a public defender.
Once your public defender gets your discovery and all of the evidence against you, it may be worth it to at least pay for a consult with a private attorney to go over everything. As I mentioned in a previous post, a lawyer may not be able to get you off (har har), but the main purpose of a criminal defense lawyer is to make sure you get a fair shake from the justice system. There can sometimes be holes in a case that one lawyer may overlook.
Your future depends on doing everything in your power to defend yourself here. Just because the first lawyer you talked to basically told you "hey you're fucked but we'll take your money anyway!" Doesn't mean you should just take this laying down.
Whether you go with a PD or a private lawyer, never sign the first plea bargain (unless it's for less than a felony, go for it). The DA may not budge, but it's at least prudent that you try and tell your lawyer to work for you. You don't want to be a felon.
Either way whatever happens, like Maynard said, you'll get through it and look back and laugh. Use it as a learning experience and to help others avoid the same fate.
We're all behind you, good luck!
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http://www.dailyastorian.com/Local_News/20160808/no-high-for-shroom-hunter-in-court-trip
That's a good read indeed and sheds some light on the subject. Seriously, everyone needs to stay away from Cape D. Cape Disappointment is named rather appropriately eh. Fuck. That. Place.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Pinpapa]
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Pinpapa said: That is a common sense approach to Law , something we don't enjoy here in North America.
Couldn't have put it better. Everything here is black or white, even when its actually grey. Absolute bullshit, but we all know it~
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Mr Piggy said: It's a scare tactic to try and make people panic. Keep your cool, know your rights, deny, deny, deny. The fact he said give them up as apposed to just searching you means either he did not see you pick them or he does not have the authority to search you. You played it well.
Apparently if they watch you picking thru binoculars it is probable cause to search...
I was not aware that they had multiple officers from multiple agency's hidding in the bushes. 
Yes, it's called the psilocybe stoop for a reason. If they observe you picking it's probable cause. Be sure to know what you're about and who has authority.
I would like to go out there and pick loads of Marasmius just to fuck with them.
*chuckling*
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Rain_Cloud said: This means that once they watched me pick a mushroom, any mushroom, my goose was cooked...
This is probably the most important statement in this thread so far. Just remember, they have to prove you were PICKING something/anything to warrant a search in the first place, and whilst looking through binocs.....
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This is the second most important statement, DELAY, DELAY, DELAY. There is always a chance that it could possibly get thrown out or as Alan stated, accept plea to lesser charge. At some point the crown has to justify the cost, man hours, time, etc. to pursue this versus the evidence and possible outcome. I got charged DUI of Marijuana a year ago this month. It was a routine check stop, the reason they wanted to test me, my eyes were red and puffy looking. I told them, "Well, I just left the funeral home, I was at one of my best friends' wake who was getting buried in the morning, which I was, but I was also stoned out of my tree. Kind of a long story short, I walked out of court 2 weeks ago without a charge. What was supposed to be a roadside drug test turned into 3 fucking hours of complete fuckery at the police station, I can't even begin to explain some of the BS stuff they had me do but anyway, after I passed all the physical tests they proceeded to tell me to piss in this cup.....I said "not a fucking chance, how that gonna prove I was high 3 hours ago, let alone 3 months ago?" Me bieing an avid smoker for 30 years and subjected to several drug test for work over the years, I knew a lot more than they expexted. Then they explain it is part of the "road side drug test" and that I had to, so I told them to make a document in which stated "I refused the piss test" signed it, then I pissed in the cup. FIRST day of trial, about 5 minutes in, case got thrown out, didn't even have a lawyer. Hang in there if you can bro, and good luck, sending you some good vibes!!
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Oregonic]
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<snip> nobody in their right mind should ever try to represent themselves in court; even if it's to negotiate a plea deal.
The good thing is that getting a court appointed attorney in WA is quite easier than most states, so hey Rain_Cloud, even if you don't want to put out the funds for a lawyer, you'll at least have a public defender.
Once your public defender gets your discovery and all of the evidence against you, it may be worth it to at least pay for a consult with a private attorney to go over everything. As I mentioned in a previous post, a lawyer may not be able to get you off (har har), but the main purpose of a criminal defense lawyer is to make sure you get a fair shake from the justice system. There can sometimes be holes in a case that one lawyer may overlook.
Your future depends on doing everything in your power to defend yourself here. Just because the first lawyer you talked to basically told you "hey you're fucked but we'll take your money anyway!" Doesn't mean you should just take this laying down.
Whether you go with a PD or a private lawyer, never sign the first plea bargain (unless it's for less than a felony, go for it). The DA may not budge, but it's at least prudent that you try and tell your lawyer to work for you. You don't want to be a felon.
Either way whatever happens, like Maynard said, you'll get through it and look back and laugh. Use it as a learning experience and to help others avoid the same fate.
We're all behind you, good luck!
this, this, and more this. my wife works for one of my area's best criminal defense lawyers and has been in the legal field for 28 years...i can't tell you how many times i've heard it repeated by lawyer friends (not ones just trying to take your $) and lamented by those who didn't take this advice (but end up trying to during the appeals process).
we are all pulling for you, Rain_Cloud.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Oregonic]
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Once again you hit the nail on the head. The lawyer I talked to was the paid consultation, I've already been appointed a lawyer by the court and been offered a plea deal. Apparently because I was charged with the lowest possible charge, 1 count of possession, there is no way for them to offer me a lower charge. Basically the courts hands are tied by federal drug laws.
I REALLY don't want a felony record but it looks like there is no way to avoid it. The Lawyer did say he MIGHT be able to find a hole in the prosecutions case but it didn't sound likely. If I keep my nose clean for 5 years I can get it expunged.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: wolfedawwg]
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I would also go back and look for signage about not being allowed to pick ANY mushrooms, if there is no signage, it almost seems like entrapment to me....
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: wolfedawwg]
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I didn't see the signs but apparently they are posted, it was in the probable cause statement
Can't go back to the park as they banned me, which is also why they impounded my car because you know, I couldn't have asked someone else to drive it out... Oh well I only had to pay $520 for tow and impond fees after traveling 40 miles to retrieve it...
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
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Rain_Cloud said: I didn't see the signs but apparently they are posted, it was in the probable cause statement
Can't go back to the park as they banned me, which is also why they impounded my car because you know, I couldn't have asked someone else to drive it out... Oh well I only had to pay $520 for tow and impond fees after traveling 40 miles to retrieve it...
That's fuckin shitty man, obviously trying to make an example of you.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: wolfedawwg]
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Can't go back to the park as they banned me, which is also why they impounded my car because you know, I couldn't have asked someone else to drive it out... Oh well I only had to pay $520 for tow and impond fees after traveling 40 miles to retrieve it...
That's fuckin shitty man, obviously trying to make an example of you.
Apparently they do this to people every year. I'm just trying to stay positive and get thru it. If I hadn't had a clean record I'd probably still be in jail awaiting trial...
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
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Did you have any other mushrooms on you besides actives? Is there anyway you could claim ignorance to what you were picking?
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What about a temporary insanity type plea as a result of accidental exposure and handling of them? Could even say you ate some thinking they were shaggy manes and the rest of the day is a blur!
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I'm curious as to how visible this/these signs are. I'm sure knowing ahead of time that if SEEN picking ANY mushroom (through binocs at that) would constitute a criminal act and subject to search would change a lot of people minds, especially leading to a felony offence!!
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: wolfedawwg]
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wolfedawwg said: I would also go back and look for signage about not being allowed to pick ANY mushrooms, if there is no signage, it almost seems like entrapment to me....
They don't have to post signs, it's the public's responsibility to know the law, signs or not. Entrapment is when a government law enforcement employee asks you to commit a crime, it rarely applies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment
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Alan Rockefeller said: They don't have to post signs, it's the public's responsibility to know the law, signs or not.
Ya, I realize that, but it just seems a little ridiculous you can pick edibles outside of the park, but inside the park it is illegal...... . Or does this pertain to ALL parks in Washington?
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: wolfedawwg]
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Park website DAMAGE OR REMOVAL OF PLANTS PROHIBITED (TMC 8.27.100) Unauthorized cutting, removal, or destruction of any turf, tree, plant, shrub, flower, or seaweed on park property is prohibited. No mention of any fungus on the website but...........
Tacoma Municipal Code (Revised 6/2016) 8-72 City Clerk’s Office 8.27.100 Damage or removal of plants prohibited. Unauthorized cutting, removal, or destruction of any turf, tree, plant, shrub, flower, or seaweed on park property is prohibited. While inside any park, having in one's possession any newly-plucked branch, tree, flower, plant, fungus (mushrooms, shelf fungus, etc.), algae (seaweed, etc.), or shrub without specific permission shall be presumptive evidence of such cutting, removal, or destruction. The info is there I guess, just have to search outside their website to find any reference to fungus. Just a wild guess but I bet that revision included the word fungus?
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: wolfedawwg]
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according to the State parks web site. Mushroom picking is permited. Just not in areas classified as natural
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So, technically, as long as he was outside a "natural" area and they can't prove he was picking a psychoactive mushroom through binocs, then they had no grounds to search him.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: wolfedawwg]
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wolfedawwg said: So, technically, as long as he was outside a "natural" area and they can't prove he was picking a psychoactive mushroom through binocs, then they had no grounds to search him.
I am pretty sure he was in one of those natural areas.
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This thread makes me so thankful all LE in BC have not a fucking clue nor do they give a shit about mushrooms. Hell, I've only met a handful of people who have had any idea that picking them is a thing.
In WA it was more well known, Idk if thats a cultural thing or what, especially in the town of Bellingham lol, which made it harder to find spots at all though!
Weird that the park rangers are so crumby. I hope to think of park rangers as friendly environmentalist forester type people, that would at least turn a blind eye to pickers so long as they're respectful.
Or maybe they just scare people away to keep all mushrooms to themselves, cause thats what I'd do
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Ya, I actually feel pretty fortunate, things could be a lot worse. FYI though, they did obtain a search warrent for the car...
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no doubt. there are many states outside of the PNW where asset forfeiture is routinely--and often inappropriately & abusively--practiced as a way to supplement funding of their departments, their habits, and other completely ridiculous things.
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The fact that police can pounce on you and arrest you for simply bending down and picking a fucking mushroom that nature grew really grinds my gears.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Noumenon]
#23801984 - 11/04/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Saw a kid get sentenced to 60 days today; he had 2 prior felonys though. I heard them say they caught two more yesterday, all at Cape D.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
#23802022 - 11/04/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why did the title get changed? I think Oregon gives out sentences based on sentencing guidelines
http://pedemontelaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/GuidelinesGrid-1-1.png
-oops, here the one for Washington I don't understand how this one works..
If you've never been in trouble they will probably give you a lighter sentence. How many mushrooms did you have? It matters. Did you just get one possession change?
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I miss titled it originally, I hope I don't scare anybody in Tacoma. LOL
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Noumenon]
#23802141 - 11/04/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Noumenon said: The fact that police can pounce on you and arrest you for simply bending down and picking a fucking mushroom that nature grew really grinds my gears.
It does really suck. But things need to be looked at from all sides. It's a state park, the rules are in place not to just screw us. There in place so the rest of the population don't get screwed. Imagine planning a trip to the coast to view the earths natural beauty in it's natural State. Only to find that things from this scene are missing Or trampled or destroyed from footprints. Us as communities are who as a collective set up these parks and decide what areas are protected to maintain such natural undisturbed areas so everyone and there kids and there kids can enjoy tiny slivers of earth that we haven't altered with our selfish greed. With out rules and set aside areas/parks we may as well just plan to have are vacation in the field next to walmart. Remember. we are the ones that cause places like these to be policed. were not acting in a civilized way when we blatantly disregard rules put in place by our friends,neighbors and elected officials. I am not better than anybody and ive been known to break rules. I'm just saying. It's a lot bigger than just "Gettem, there picking mushrooms". Whats so hard about picking other areas up and down the coast? These types of behaviors are how stereo types are formed. Stereo types are never removed once embedded into your culture.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
#23802152 - 11/04/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is kind of moot, but there are these signs posted everywhere:

I've recently heard that ALL mushroom harvesting there is illegal between October and February.
I went there today for shits, the gf had never seen the bunkers and what not so we stopped by on our way through, and holy fuck the ranger presence is even more hardcore than I remember. They literally are staked out places watching for hunters like Rain_Cloud said.
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Rain_Cloud said: Once again you hit the nail on the head. The lawyer I talked to was the paid consultation, I've already been appointed a lawyer by the court and been offered a plea deal. Apparently because I was charged with the lowest possible charge, 1 count of possession, there is no way for them to offer me a lower charge. Basically the courts hands are tied by federal drug laws.
I REALLY don't want a felony record but it looks like there is no way to avoid it. The Lawyer did say he MIGHT be able to find a hole in the prosecutions case but it didn't sound likely. If I keep my nose clean for 5 years I can get it expunged.
Damn.
I didn't see you mention it but I apologize if you did, but how much jail time was the plea deal for?
At any rate, yeah five years and you'll be able to get your gun rights back and get the charge expunged, but be advised that the five year clock starts ticking once you've completed all terms of your sentencing INCLUDING paying all fines. You can get your gun rights back five years from the day you get out of jail, but the expungement requires all terms completed.
I've recently started the same process and was slapped in the face when I found out the deal about the fines - I unknowingly still had some money owed therefore my "clock" hasn't even started for expungement. And it's 10 years for me, womp womp.
But anyway man, I've spent the last 10 years as a felon and I've been able to get through it. It's taken some luck and knowing the right people, but I've lived a perfectly normal life from the day I was released. You'll pull through my dude.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Oregonic] 1
#23802238 - 11/05/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea no shit. Ive been to the joint twice. Atleast 3 years if not more in various county jails and i have my own business takeing me into peoples private lives and homes with a long list of people wanting my services i just can't get to(property Maint type work). I also work for a comercial remodeling company 3 or 4 days a week. They called me for the job from a customer referral. the hospital is an account of ours which means i have an Id and electric key fob that grants me access to any and all areas of the entire hospital campus. We have remodeled the federal building which houses the local irs,ss office and FBI north west division. Just to name a few. i have the keys to our company vehicles and equipment lock up yard.
It's all about the Person You are Not What you Were Or who you've been. It;s How you Treat People with respect and how you contribute to society and your community. If your honest in your heart it will shine through.
FYI the courts hands are never tied when it comes to plea deals. I have had mandatory weapons enhancement charges dropped when at the first plea deal there hands were so called tied. it's all give and take with the prosecutor and Defense. You would be surprised what they can and will do just to avoid a jury trial.

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It's all about the Person You are Not What you Were Or who you've been. It;s How you Treat People with respect and how you contribute to society and your community. If your honest in your heart it will shine through.
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NothingsChanged said: As for the rest of you. How do you like me now?
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NothingsChanged said: Yea no shit. Ive been to the joint twice. Atleast 3 years if not more in various county jails and i have my own business takeing me into peoples private lives and homes with a long list of people wanting my services i just can't get to(property Maint type work). I also work for a comercial remodeling company 3 or 4 days a week. They called me for the job from a customer referral. the hospital is an account of ours which means i have an Id and electric key fob that grants me access to any and all areas of the entire hospital campus. We have remodeled the federal building which houses the local irs,ss office and FBI north west division. Just to name a few. i have the keys to our company vehicles and equipment lock up yard.
It's all about the Person You are Not What you Were Or who you've been. It;s How you Treat People with respect and how you contribute to society and your community. If your honest in your heart it will shine through.
FYI the courts hands are never tied when it comes to plea deals. I have had mandatory weapons enhancement charges dropped when at the first plea deal there hands were so called tied. it's all give and take with the prosecutor and Defense. You would be surprised what they can and will do just to avoid a jury trial.

As for the rest of you. How do you like me now?
Good for you my brother. The problem is that most people roll over and take it rather than fight for their own well being, where we have a society that tells you that your life is over after conviction. Totally not the case.
I did a bit of joint time when I was supposed to be in college, and all of my friends and family acted like my life was over. To make a long story short, I worked my way up the ladder and ultimately started my own business that likewise has me working in private residences, and commerical property where a large amount of trust and integrity is required.
About the court's hands being tied, I agree and should've mentioned that in my last post as well - that's bullshit indeed. My first plea bargain was for an absurd sentence with mandatory minimums (enhancements) included. I had my (bullshit) lawyer telling me there's absolutely nothing that could be done, so I got a private lawyer and ultimately all enhancements dropped, half of my charges dropped, and was in for less than a full year.
The prosecution has the ability to drop charges in exchange for pleading to a lesser charge, regardless of what it is. Federal laws have nothing to do with it. My charges were much worse than OP's.
It's entirely possible however that the local DA there isn't planning on budging on anything less than a felony for mushroom pickers. OP's lawyer telling him "the court's hands are tied" directly translates to: "the DA may not budge and I'm not going to waste my time trying, just sign this and go away so I can move onto my next case."
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Oregonic]
#23803340 - 11/05/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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15 days, although they said I'll get out early for good behavior. Luckily for me I'm not a gun guy, don't own a one.
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#23805222 - 11/06/16 12:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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15 days? you can do that sitting on the toilet. You will get through this. If you pm me your name and the county that jails in/when you serve. I would put some money on your books. Gota have store.
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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Adden]
#23805230 - 11/06/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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NothingsChanged said: As for the rest of you. How do you like me now?
My anus is moist and quivering.
Little off topic. But, as in the OP. You to, will get through this.
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Re: CAPE DISSAPOINTMENT IS A TRAP!!!! [Re: Rain_Cloud]
#24321673 - 05/15/17 04:03 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I found a spot in the woods wwhere flushes can be found all day. Total tree coverage and they "shrooms" shouldnt be there. hint.... Look behind the campground near the grass but in the forest. Cant go wrong and no way to be seen if you look around. Very very private. Good luck
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Re: CAPE DISSAPOINTMENT IS A TRAP!!!! [Re: Vipermaxx75] 5
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