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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Pinpapa]
    #23798086 - 11/03/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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That is a common sense approach to Law , something we don't enjoy here in North America.




Couldn't have put it better. Everything here is black or white, even when its actually grey. Absolute bullshit, but we all know it~


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23798111 - 11/03/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It's a scare tactic to try and make people panic.  Keep your cool, know your rights, deny, deny, deny.  The fact he said give them up as apposed to just searching you means either he did not see you pick them or he does not have the authority to search you.  You played it well.





Apparently if they watch you picking thru binoculars it is probable cause to search...

I was not aware that they had multiple officers from multiple agency's hidding in the bushes.  :frown:





Yes, it's called the psilocybe stoop for a reason.  If they observe you picking it's probable cause.  Be sure to know what you're about and who has authority.



I would like to go out there and pick loads of Marasmius just to fuck with them.




*chuckling*

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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23798125 - 11/03/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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This means that once they watched me pick a mushroom, any mushroom, my goose was cooked...




This is probably the most important statement in this thread so far.
Just remember, they have to prove you were PICKING something/anything to warrant a search in the first place, and whilst looking through binocs.....:shrug:

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Is diversion an option?  That'd be the way to go if it is.  You can just show up to court and ask for it.    Or ask the DA if he'd be willing to settle for a misdemeanor charge.




This is the second most important statement, DELAY, DELAY, DELAY.
There is always a chance that it could possibly get thrown out or as Alan stated, accept plea to lesser charge.
At some point the crown has to justify the cost, man hours, time, etc. to pursue this versus the evidence and possible outcome.
I got charged DUI of Marijuana a year ago this month. It was a routine check stop, the reason they wanted to test me, my eyes were red and puffy looking. I told them, "Well, I just left the funeral home, I was at one of my best friends' wake who was getting buried in the morning, which I was, but I was also stoned out of my tree.
Kind of a long story short, I walked out of court 2 weeks ago without a charge.
What was supposed to be a roadside drug test turned into 3 fucking hours of complete fuckery at the police station, I can't even begin to explain some of the BS stuff they had me do but anyway, after I passed all the physical tests they proceeded to tell me to piss in this cup.....I said "not a fucking chance, how that gonna prove I was high 3 hours ago, let alone 3 months ago?" Me bieing an avid smoker for 30 years and subjected to several drug test for work over the years, I knew a lot more than they expexted.
Then they explain it is part of the "road side drug test" and that I had to, so I told them to make a document in which stated "I refused the piss test" signed it, then I pissed in the cup.
FIRST day of trial, about 5 minutes in, case got thrown out, didn't even have a lawyer.
Hang in there if you can bro, and good luck, sending you some good vibes!!


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Oregonic]
    #23798141 - 11/03/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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nobody in their right mind should ever try to represent themselves in court; even if it's to negotiate a plea deal.

The good thing is that getting a court appointed attorney in WA is quite easier than most states, so hey Rain_Cloud, even if you don't want to put out the funds for a lawyer, you'll at least have a public defender.

Once your public defender gets your discovery and all of the evidence against you, it may be worth it to at least pay for a consult with a private attorney to go over everything. As I mentioned in a previous post, a lawyer may not be able to get you off (har har), but the main purpose of a criminal defense lawyer is to make sure you get a fair shake from the justice system. There can sometimes be holes in a case that one lawyer may overlook.

Your future depends on doing everything in your power to defend yourself here. Just because the first lawyer you talked to basically told you "hey you're fucked but we'll take your money anyway!" Doesn't mean you should just take this laying down.

Whether you go with a PD or a private lawyer, never sign the first plea bargain (unless it's for less than a felony, go for it). The DA may not budge, but it's at least prudent that you try and tell your lawyer to work for you. You don't want to be a felon.

Either way whatever happens, like Maynard said, you'll get through it and look back and laugh. Use it as a learning experience and to help others avoid the same fate.

We're all behind you, good luck!





this, this, and more this.  my wife works for one of my area's best criminal defense lawyers and has been in the legal field for 28 years...i can't tell you how many times i've heard it repeated by lawyer friends (not ones just trying to take your $) and lamented by those who didn't take this advice (but end up trying to during the appeals process).

we are all pulling for you, Rain_Cloud.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Oregonic]
    #23798148 - 11/03/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Once again you hit the nail on the head.  The lawyer I talked to was the paid consultation, I've already been appointed a lawyer by the court and been offered a plea deal.  Apparently because I was charged with the lowest possible charge, 1 count of possession, there is no way for them to offer me a lower charge.  Basically the courts hands are tied by federal drug laws. 

I REALLY don't want a felony record but it looks like there is no way to avoid it.  The Lawyer did say he MIGHT be able to find a hole in the prosecutions case but it didn't sound likely.  If I keep my nose clean for 5 years I can get it expunged.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23798151 - 11/03/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I would also go back and look for signage about not being allowed to pick ANY mushrooms, if there is no signage, it almost seems like entrapment to me....:shrug:


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23798182 - 11/03/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't see the signs but apparently they are posted, it was in the probable cause statement

Can't go back to the park as they banned me, which is also why they impounded my car because you know, I couldn't have asked someone else to drive it out...  Oh well I only had to pay $520 for tow and impond fees after traveling 40 miles to retrieve it...


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
    #23798196 - 11/03/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I didn't see the signs but apparently they are posted, it was in the probable cause statement

Can't go back to the park as they banned me, which is also why they impounded my car because you know, I couldn't have asked someone else to drive it out...  Oh well I only had to pay $520 for tow and impond fees after traveling 40 miles to retrieve it...



That's fuckin shitty man, obviously trying to make an example of you.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23798279 - 11/03/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I didn't see the signs but apparently they are posted, it was in the probable cause statement

Can't go back to the park as they banned me, which is also why they impounded my car because you know, I couldn't have asked someone else to drive it out...  Oh well I only had to pay $520 for tow and impond fees after traveling 40 miles to retrieve it...



That's fuckin shitty man, obviously trying to make an example of you.




Apparently they do this to people every year.  I'm just trying to stay positive and get thru it.  If I hadn't had a clean record I'd probably still be in jail awaiting trial...


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
    #23798292 - 11/03/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Did you have any other mushrooms on you besides actives? Is there anyway you could claim ignorance to what you were picking?


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: maynardjameskeenan] * 1
    #23798309 - 11/03/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What about a temporary insanity type plea as a result of accidental exposure and handling of them? Could even say you ate some thinking they were shaggy manes and the rest of the day is a blur!


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23798426 - 11/03/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Did you have any other mushrooms on you besides actives? Is there anyway you could claim ignorance to what you were picking?



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The whole case seems to come down to the fact that ALL mushroom harvesting is a criminal act inside Cape Disspointment park.



I'm curious as to how visible this/these signs are.
I'm sure knowing ahead of time that if SEEN picking ANY mushroom (through binocs at that) would constitute a criminal act and subject to search would change a lot of people minds, especially leading to a felony offence!!


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23798451 - 11/03/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I would also go back and look for signage about not being allowed to pick ANY mushrooms, if there is no signage, it almost seems like entrapment to me....:shrug:




They don't have to post signs, it's the public's responsibility to know the law, signs or not.  Entrapment is when a government law enforcement employee asks you to commit a crime, it rarely applies.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23798539 - 11/03/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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They don't have to post signs, it's the public's responsibility to know the law, signs or not.



Ya, I realize that, but it just seems a little ridiculous you can pick edibles outside of the park, but inside the park it is illegal......:shrug:.
Or does this pertain to ALL parks in Washington?


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23798635 - 11/03/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Park website
DAMAGE OR REMOVAL OF PLANTS PROHIBITED (TMC 8.27.100)
Unauthorized cutting, removal, or destruction of any turf, tree, plant, shrub, flower, or seaweed on park property is prohibited.
No mention of any fungus on the website but...........

Tacoma Municipal Code
(Revised 6/2016) 8-72 City Clerk’s Office
8.27.100 Damage or removal of plants prohibited.
Unauthorized cutting, removal, or destruction of any turf, tree, plant, shrub, flower, or seaweed on park property is prohibited.
While inside any park, having in one's possession any newly-plucked branch, tree, flower, plant, fungus (mushrooms, shelf
fungus, etc.), algae (seaweed, etc.), or shrub without specific permission shall be presumptive evidence of such cutting,
removal, or destruction.
The info is there I guess, just have to search outside their website to find any reference to fungus.
Just a wild guess but I bet that revision included the word fungus?


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23798711 - 11/03/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

according to the State parks web site. Mushroom picking is permited. Just not in areas classified as natural


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #23798944 - 11/03/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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according to the State parks web site. Mushroom picking is permited. Just not in areas classified as natural



So, technically, as long as he was outside a "natural" area and they can't prove he was picking a psychoactive mushroom through binocs, then they had no grounds to search him.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23799235 - 11/03/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So, technically, as long as he was outside a "natural" area and they can't prove he was picking a psychoactive mushroom through binocs, then they had no grounds to search him.






I am pretty sure he was in one of those natural areas.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #23799371 - 11/03/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This thread makes me so thankful all LE in BC have not a fucking clue nor do they give a shit about mushrooms. Hell, I've only met a handful of people who have had any idea that picking them is a thing.

In WA it was more well known, Idk if thats a cultural thing or what, especially in the town of Bellingham lol, which made it harder to find spots at all though!

Weird that the park rangers are so crumby. I hope to think of park rangers as friendly environmentalist forester type people, that would at least turn a blind eye to pickers so long as they're respectful.

Or maybe they just scare people away to keep all mushrooms to themselves, cause thats what I'd do :hehehe:


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Snowday]
    #23799633 - 11/04/16 02:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Park rangers are like the feds. you should check out the criteria to get hired. Polygraphs and all.


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