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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Oregonic]
    #23792972 - 11/01/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You can't do that on the boards anymore. I think the 300 dollar carrot-in-her-ass gofundme thread was the nail on the coffin. You're more than welcome to help someone privately but if a thread was made it would get taken down.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Adden]
    #23793047 - 11/01/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Lmao apparently I missed that one.

Understandable though, most forums don't allow fundraising of sorts because of the possible abuse of it anyway.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Oregonic] * 1
    #23793069 - 11/01/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No, I'm not.  Maybe I didn't word it well.  I am saying you are giving up your right to freedom when you choose to commit crime.  Being smart and not getting charged is the relevant thing.  I'm basically saying what you and most others are saying, only adding that most people do not hold the sobering reality that you choose your consequences when you choose to commit a crime. 

I'm not sure how you got so spun out on me but it's all good since we've both made the same points and are in agreement.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: RiverDweller1]
    #23793159 - 11/01/16 09:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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No, I'm not.  Maybe I didn't word it well.  I am saying you are giving up your right to freedom when you choose to commit crime.  Being smart and not getting charged is the relevant thing.  I'm basically saying what you and most others are saying, only adding that most people do not hold the sobering reality that you choose your consequences when you choose to commit a crime. 

I'm not sure how you got so spun out on me but it's all good since we've both made the same points and are in agreement.




Yeah, we made the same points and are in agreement indeed, it was just the one comment that rubbed me wrong. Things can be subjectively interpreted and expressed through text, in happens.

Not getting charged in the first place is by far the most important, but unfortunately even the best of us can end up in a shitty situation. And handling that shitty situation properly can make all the difference if you end up getting arrested by overzealous pigs, so that was mainly the point I was making.

Anyway, my apologies, we're all on the same team here :peace: :highfive1:


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: RiverDweller1]
    #23793170 - 11/01/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Answer every question with "Am I being detained and am I free to go?"
Works well at border stops, that aren't borders, 100 miles from a border.
Also it works with open carry activists that police wish to harrass in legal open carry states.

The situation sucks, but if you think about it, they most likely have all the hot spots pre marked like WWII artillery. All is takes is a 15 min visit by a local, county or state botanist during their morning tail gate/plan of attack meeting with all the involved law enforcement.

And.....do you all glass the area a head of time to get the lay of the land and take a loop with your car to see if there are any LEOs vehicles around. I would. Apologies if I am being a busy body, just my thoughts.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Adden]
    #23793188 - 11/01/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You can't do that on the boards anymore. I think the 300 dollar carrot-in-her-ass gofundme thread was the nail on the coffin. You're more than welcome to help someone privately but if a thread was made it would get taken down.



Umm what? Do you happen to have a link to this so I know which URL to avoid... :rolleyes:


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23793681 - 11/02/16 04:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting points in this read. Especially about privacy and being in the park.

http://www.dailyastorian.com/Local_News/20160808/no-high-for-shroom-hunter-in-court-trip


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Adden]
    #23793973 - 11/02/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

EVERYONE SHUT UP, THIS IS IMPORTANT!


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I think the 300 dollar carrot-in-her-ass gofundme thread was the nail on the coffin.





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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #23794199 - 11/02/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

good luck, OP.  Really sucks what you are going through.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #23794234 - 11/02/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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EVERYONE SHUT UP, THIS IS IMPORTANT!


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I think the 300 dollar carrot-in-her-ass gofundme thread was the nail on the coffin.





You owe us a story.




Agreed.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: P.Goose]
    #23794608 - 11/02/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Eh, it's just Pub drama. A user and her boyfriend got popped so she setup a gofundme. She didn't get many donations so she offered to do things for cash. At some point someone said they'd rather see her plug and eat a carrot. She settled for plugging. All in all, they got either like 130 bucks or 310, I forget which. After all the boys had their fun, it got shut down from all the ruckus and discord it caused (on top of making the website look bad) and now we can't do them anymore. Really all there is to it.. check the Pub search engine, I feel like a gossip and don't want to drop names here since this place and some mushroom forums are all that matter on this site, and I don't want to get banned from here.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Adden]
    #23795009 - 11/02/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #23797111 - 11/03/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Talked to a private lawyer yesterday.  They want 6,500 and it sounds like there is little to no chance theywill be able to do anything for me, although they are more than happy to take my money and try.  LOL.  The whole case seems to come down to the fact that ALL mushroom harvesting is a criminal act inside Cape Disspointment park.  This means that once they watched me pick a mushroom, any mushroom, my goose was cooked...

I'll be sure to write up a detailed account for you guys when this is all settled


Moral of the story is STAY AWAY from Cape dissapointment!!!!!


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
    #23797213 - 11/03/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's really fucked. Keep the chin up OP...sounds like a great place to avoid.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
    #23797417 - 11/03/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Talked to a private lawyer yesterday.  They want 6,500 and it sounds like there is little to no chance theywill be able to do anything for me, although they are more than happy to take my money and try.  LOL.  The whole case seems to come down to the fact that ALL mushroom harvesting is a criminal act inside Cape Disspointment park.  This means that once they watched me pick a mushroom, any mushroom, my goose was cooked...

I'll be sure to write up a detailed account for you guys when this is all settled


Moral of the story is STAY AWAY from Cape dissapointment!!!!!



Even though it may be illegal, it's not a felony to pick non-active mushrooms though right?
How many azures did they catch you with?


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
    #23797432 - 11/03/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

6500 is too much for a lawyer - especially in a case like this where you'll probably get the same outcome with or without a lawyer.  1500 or 2000 would be a reasonable rate - especially since all they'd be doing is helping you negotiate a deal with the prosecutor.

A lawyer might be able to negotiate a plea, but you could also do that too, and likely get the same deal.

Is diversion an option?  That'd be the way to go if it is.  You can just show up to court and ask for it.    Or ask the DA if he'd be willing to settle for a misdemeanor charge.

I agree with the lawyer that you won't likely be able to beat this one, since they saw you doing something illegal.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23797541 - 11/03/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Talked to a private lawyer yesterday.  They want 6,500 and it sounds like there is little to no chance theywill be able to do anything for me, although they are more than happy to take my money and try.  LOL.  The whole case seems to come down to the fact that ALL mushroom harvesting is a criminal act inside Cape Disspointment park.  This means that once they watched me pick a mushroom, any mushroom, my goose was cooked...

I'll be sure to write up a detailed account for you guys when this is all settled


Moral of the story is STAY AWAY from Cape dissapointment!!!!!



Even though it may be illegal, it's not a felony to pick non-active mushrooms though right?
How many azures did they catch you with?




I'm sure wild mushrooms aren't a felony but committing a criminal act gives them probable cause, which means they can search your bag without a warrant regardless of any permission you may or may not give them to do so.  If picking edible mushrooms had been permitted (as it is in every other state park I can think of) then the officers would have to testify that they positively ID the mushrooms through binoculars, which as we all know isn't possible.  I'm sure that edible foraging was outlawed there for exactly this reason.  Apparently possession of just one azzie is enough to book you and the the lowest possible charge, 1 count of "possession of psilocybin" is a felony charge....


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
    #23797546 - 11/03/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for all the support guys, I've read every post in this thread and I really appreciate all the kind words.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
    #23797567 - 11/03/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I wish you well man, good luck. :hug:
No matter what happens life goes on, some day you'll be able to laugh about this and hopefully others can learn from your mistake.
Just be grateful that you don't have to stick carrot in your butt for money.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
    #23797833 - 11/03/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

6500 is quite a lot, but for pretty much any felony case in SW WA the price is going to start around 3500. I've never heard of a lawyer taking a felony case around here for less than that.

And Alan, no offense my friend and with all due respect, nobody in their right mind should ever try to represent themselves in court; even if it's to negotiate a plea deal.

The good thing is that getting a court appointed attorney in WA is quite easier than most states, so hey Rain_Cloud, even if you don't want to put out the funds for a lawyer, you'll at least have a public defender.

Once your public defender gets your discovery and all of the evidence against you, it may be worth it to at least pay for a consult with a private attorney to go over everything. As I mentioned in a previous post, a lawyer may not be able to get you off (har har), but the main purpose of a criminal defense lawyer is to make sure you get a fair shake from the justice system. There can sometimes be holes in a case that one lawyer may overlook.

Your future depends on doing everything in your power to defend yourself here. Just because the first lawyer you talked to basically told you "hey you're fucked but we'll take your money anyway!" Doesn't mean you should just take this laying down.

Whether you go with a PD or a private lawyer, never sign the first plea bargain (unless it's for less than a felony, go for it). The DA may not budge, but it's at least prudent that you try and tell your lawyer to work for you. You don't want to be a felon.

Either way whatever happens, like Maynard said, you'll get through it and look back and laugh. Use it as a learning experience and to help others avoid the same fate.

We're all behind you, good luck!

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Interesting points in this read. Especially about privacy and being in the park.

http://www.dailyastorian.com/Local_News/20160808/no-high-for-shroom-hunter-in-court-trip




That's a good read indeed and sheds some light on the subject. Seriously, everyone needs to stay away from Cape D. Cape Disappointment is named rather appropriately eh. Fuck. That. Place.


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