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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Ran-D]
    #23786392 - 10/30/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe it's s funny game to them. Like hunting the mushroom hunters. Easy game


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Raven44]
    #23787392 - 10/31/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Anybody that goes hunting at Cape D. is a madman.

Back in probably '09-'10ish I was there very early in the season, probably early to mid Sept, literally not even looking for azures; just killing time. I was out that way for work and stopped by the park just to go for a walk and stretch my legs. The weather had been very warm and dry, plus being early Sept, azures hadn't even really crossed my mind that day.

When I got there I parked my truck, and a ranger came rolling by and we exchanged pleasantries - dude seemed nice enough. But before driving away he asked me what I was up to and I just told him the truth - just killing some time and going for a stroll.

Well 20 minutes later after I'd been just meandering around for a bit, dude comes barrelling up on me, hops out of his truck and tells me to give him the mushrooms.

I was just like ...wat? And looked at him like he was a fucking moron. Asked him what the hell he was talking about, and he tells me he'd been watching me and saw me looking at the ground, and bent down go pick something up.

He must've been talking about when I stopped go tie my shoe. I tell him this, and now I can see he's a bit flustered for possibly bugging someone minding their own business and not doing anything wrong.

He goes on about "the problem they deal with in the fall" with this "particular mushroom that's illegal." I reiterated that I'm just trying to enjoy a fucking walk through the park and that I'm out this way for work, etc.

He apologized and drove off.

So just being an early twenties dude wearing a baja pullover in the fall at Cape D was a good enough stereotype for the dude to instantly assume I was picking shrooms and harass me for no reason.

They're really on top of it there.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Raven44] * 1
    #23787732 - 10/31/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe it's s funny game to them. Like hunting the mushroom hunters. Easy game




I wouldn't doubt it, most authority figures are into that kind of shit. Whether they admit it or not it takes a certain kind of personality to even want to be a cop.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Oregonic]
    #23790745 - 11/01/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Anybody that goes hunting at Cape D. is a madman.

Back in probably '09-'10ish I was there very early in the season, probably early to mid Sept, literally not even looking for azures; just killing time. I was out that way for work and stopped by the park just to go for a walk and stretch my legs. The weather had been very warm and dry, plus being early Sept, azures hadn't even really crossed my mind that day.

When I got there I parked my truck, and a ranger came rolling by and we exchanged pleasantries - dude seemed nice enough. But before driving away he asked me what I was up to and I just told him the truth - just killing some time and going for a stroll.

Well 20 minutes later after I'd been just meandering around for a bit, dude comes barrelling up on me, hops out of his truck and tells me to give him the mushrooms.

I was just like ...wat? And looked at him like he was a fucking moron. Asked him what the hell he was talking about, and he tells me he'd been watching me and saw me looking at the ground, and bent down go pick something up.

He must've been talking about when I stopped go tie my shoe. I tell him this, and now I can see he's a bit flustered for possibly bugging someone minding their own business and not doing anything wrong.

He goes on about "the problem they deal with in the fall" with this "particular mushroom that's illegal." I reiterated that I'm just trying to enjoy a fucking walk through the park and that I'm out this way for work, etc.

He apologized and drove off.

So just being an early twenties dude wearing a baja pullover in the fall at Cape D was a good enough stereotype for the dude to instantly assume I was picking shrooms and harass me for no reason.

They're really on top of it there.






You tried to warn me a couple years back, I saw it in my post history, I should have listened to you!!!!!    I'm now facing felony charges jail time...


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud] * 1
    #23790892 - 11/01/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just think of the good for society these brave men in green are accomplishing.....Ridding the world of those azzures, the bane of our civilization! Just think of all the azzie od's they'll circumvent!:badshroom:

I'm very fortunate to live in the Northeast where cops have no idea about ps. mushrooms growing. Also, no cop in his right mind would try to follow me into the nettle, vines, mud and ticks that I go through to find my few ovoids. I have never once been checked and I've even stopped and chatted with a DNR cop with some ovoids in a bag. Most times I put stinging nettle in the bag on top of the mushrooms, because nettle is actually very tasty...no cop would stick his hand in a bag with nettle in it anyway after doing it once.lol

That sounds crazy out there on the left coast.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Oregonic]
    #23790921 - 11/01/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Anybody that goes hunting at Cape D. is a madman.

Back in probably '09-'10ish I was there very early in the season, probably early to mid Sept, literally not even looking for azures; just killing time. I was out that way for work and stopped by the park just to go for a walk and stretch my legs. The weather had been very warm and dry, plus being early Sept, azures hadn't even really crossed my mind that day.

When I got there I parked my truck, and a ranger came rolling by and we exchanged pleasantries - dude seemed nice enough. But before driving away he asked me what I was up to and I just told him the truth - just killing some time and going for a stroll.

Well 20 minutes later after I'd been just meandering around for a bit, dude comes barrelling up on me, hops out of his truck and tells me to give him the mushrooms.

I was just like ...wat? And looked at him like he was a fucking moron. Asked him what the hell he was talking about, and he tells me he'd been watching me and saw me looking at the ground, and bent down go pick something up.

He must've been talking about when I stopped go tie my shoe. I tell him this, and now I can see he's a bit flustered for possibly bugging someone minding their own business and not doing anything wrong.

He goes on about "the problem they deal with in the fall" with this "particular mushroom that's illegal." I reiterated that I'm just trying to enjoy a fucking walk through the park and that I'm out this way for work, etc.

He apologized and drove off.

So just being an early twenties dude wearing a baja pullover in the fall at Cape D was a good enough stereotype for the dude to instantly assume I was picking shrooms and harass me for no reason.

They're really on top of it there.



Yeah Ive had rangers waiting at my car to search me. I know my rights though. those park rangers are ass holes.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Oregonic]
    #23790951 - 11/01/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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dude comes barrelling up on me, hops out of his truck and tells me to give him the mushrooms.




He didn't even ask what you were doing, just making a presumption you were breaking the law.
And what is actually required for these guys to search you? Do they need to "formally" suspect you?

Sounds to me like they're sending their rookies out there to train on mushroom hunters.
Either that, or there is too little crime and too many cops: "Ah, damn, no murders or assaults today, let's
drive down the Cape and bust some mushroom junkies."

I'd like to see a survey where they compare the "problems" concerning psilocybin mushroom hunting
versus their budget spending on trying to cope with it.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23790987 - 11/01/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's a scare tactic to try and make people panic.  Keep your cool, know your rights, deny, deny, deny.  The fact he said give them up as apposed to just searching you means either he did not see you pick them or he does not have the authority to search you.  You played it well.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #23791022 - 11/01/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone hunting the Northern Oregon Coastal Dunes should exercise extreme caution as well.  Friday and Saturday, I was about with little to no helicopter or ranger activity.  Sunday, the popular entrances were blocked and there were signs that said "coast guard training, keep out, video surveillance".  There was of course, no training. 

It is good advice to deny but it also important to know that there is likely recorded evidence and pickers should know their legal rights and the consequences of their actions before collecting anything.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: RiverDweller1]
    #23791068 - 11/01/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, as stated before you are harvesting a schedule one narcotic and it is a felony that can carry prison time. 

I was there while they were running drills, it's legit.  They were swooping the dunes at low level and dropping divers into the large rolling surf.  I had no problems from them, the sheriff was out there as well and he was hunting hunters.  He likes to glass from his truck.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #23791104 - 11/01/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I believe they legally can do a terry pat to see if you have weapons. Cops can say they suspected anything. If they feel a bag full of mushrooms during a pat down. Then you come into the realm of whether it was a legal search or not. This would be left to be decided in court.
Meaning one would have to come back to that county for court. Then either you or your lawyer would have to prove that there was no probable cause for the search. Only you can decide if it is worth the risk. Sure people get through and don't get caught. But drug felonies can be really frustrating to be on your record.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23791122 - 11/01/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Oregonic said:
dude comes barrelling up on me, hops out of his truck and tells me to give him the mushrooms.




He didn't even ask what you were doing, just making a presumption you were breaking the law.
And what is actually required for these guys to search you? Do they need to "formally" suspect you?

Sounds to me like they're sending their rookies out there to train on mushroom hunters.
Either that, or there is too little crime and too many cops: "Ah, damn, no murders or assaults today, let's
drive down the Cape and bust some mushroom junkies."

I'd like to see a survey where they compare the "problems" concerning psilocybin mushroom hunting
versus their budget spending on trying to cope with it.





They were waiting at my car. I had all my camera gear (3000$+) and they still wanted to search me cuz I was taking pictures. I said I wasnt doing anything wrong, they had no probable cause, and that they do not have any right to touch the tools of my livelihood.

He said " I know you were picking mushrooms"

I said "no,  did you see me pick mushrooms? I know my rights and I know the rangers here like to harass people thinking everyone here picks mushrooms. You dont have any law that says you have to treat my camera gear with respect. So we will be on our way"

they said to never come back. I do every year to take pictures of them, just to piss them off. I like park rangers, but those ones there are the worst and are complete assholes.....


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #23791126 - 11/01/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes, as stated before you are harvesting a schedule one narcotic and it is a felony that can carry prison time. 

I was there while they were running drills, it's legit.  They were swooping the dunes at low level and dropping divers into the large rolling surf.  I had no problems from them, the sheriff was out there as well and he was hunting hunters.  He likes to glass from his truck.



We went to another section and could clearly see no drills or dropping...??...

Anyway, it doesn't matter.  Just that people should not be prideful and foolish when it comes to such a thing.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #23791176 - 11/01/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It's a scare tactic to try and make people panic.  Keep your cool, know your rights, deny, deny, deny.  The fact he said give them up as apposed to just searching you means either he did not see you pick them or he does not have the authority to search you.  You played it well.





Apparently if they watch you picking thru binoculars it is probable cause to search...

I was not aware that they had multiple officers from multiple agency's hidding in the bushes.  :frown:


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: RiverDweller1]
    #23791177 - 11/01/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Absolutely agree, it's always better to walk away.  I'm not advocating for anyone to try and challenge law enforcement, that's stupid and almost always has a shitty outcome.  I'm saying it's important to be aware of your rights just in case you do accidentally find yourself in a tight spot.  What you say to the officer can affect the outcome of your court case.  It's also important to NEVER physically resist them if they start to search you without permission.  this could be construed as resisting arrest or even assaulting an officer.  Just clearly state that you DO NOT condone or give permission in any way to the search.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Rain_Cloud]
    #23791186 - 11/01/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Mr Piggy said:
It's a scare tactic to try and make people panic.  Keep your cool, know your rights, deny, deny, deny.  The fact he said give them up as apposed to just searching you means either he did not see you pick them or he does not have the authority to search you.  You played it well.





Apparently if they watch you picking thru binoculars it is probable cause to search...

I was not aware that they had multiple officers from multiple agency's hidding in the bushes.  :frown:





Yes, it's called the psilocybe stoop for a reason.  If they observe you picking it's probable cause.  Be sure to know what you're about and who has authority.


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Re: POINT DEFIANCE IS A TRAP [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23791187 - 11/01/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Oregonic said:
dude comes barrelling up on me, hops out of his truck and tells me to give him the mushrooms.




He didn't even ask what you were doing, just making a presumption you were breaking the law.
And what is actually required for these guys to search you? Do they need to "formally" suspect you?

Sounds to me like they're sending their rookies out there to train on mushroom hunters.
Either that, or there is too little crime and too many cops: "Ah, damn, no murders or assaults today, let's
drive down the Cape and bust some mushroom junkies."

I'd like to see a survey where they compare the "problems" concerning psilocybin mushroom hunting
versus their budget spending on trying to cope with it.



There is very little to no crime in the area, these people have nothing else to do. They justify their existence by catching the "bad guys" who are mostly hippies and idiots kids picking mushrooms. In the US you are presumed guilty until proven innocent.


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    #23791189 - 11/01/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Mr Piggy said:
It's a scare tactic to try and make people panic.  Keep your cool, know your rights, deny, deny, deny.  The fact he said give them up as apposed to just searching you means either he did not see you pick them or he does not have the authority to search you.  You played it well.





Apparently if they watch you picking thru binoculars it is probable cause to search...

I was not aware that they had multiple officers from multiple agency's hidding in the bushes.  :frown:





Yes, it's called the psilocybe stoop for a reason.  If they observe you picking it's probable cause.  Be sure to know what you're about and who has authority.



I would like to go out there and pick loads of Marasmius just to fuck with them.


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    #23791217 - 11/01/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It is better to say nothing and calmly allow whatever is being forced on you than to have a cover story unless you are a good liar  :smile:

Mushroom picking body language and behavior is so easy to spot, I look for it myself when I'm out there.  I don't speak to other pickers either, no more than hello in response.  Once, a few years back, a guy stopped me with a bag of mushrooms and asked me if he had the right ones.  It was so alarming and he looked like such a schmuck! He had one of everything in there and it was so obvious he was baiting me.  I told him I once read about a mushroom that made women orgasm and was that one the same thing???  Thank you stupid neverending FB memes!

I always have wild rose hips in a cup in my hand while in the dunes which is rather convenient, since the  two like to hang out together.  If that does not deter a search, there is no more talking except polite response to questions for purpose of identifying who I am.

I have feigned mycophobia and avoided search, although it was very difficult to do with a straight face.


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    #23791227 - 11/01/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Last time I was there with the choppers overhead I had nothing but a full basket of kings.  No one bothered me, but I'm a very careful person.


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