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Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation * 4
    #23782655 - 10/29/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Couldn't make this shit up if you tried :rofl:



Students at the University of California, Berkeley held a violent protest on campus last Friday to demand additional segregated “spaces of color” for non-white students. They refused to let people pass major traffic areas. These protests were encouraged by some university faculty. They blocked the main entrance to the school to all whites and let people of color pass.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Shroomism] * 3
    #23782662 - 10/29/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How the FUCK is this not illegal????

Why didn't the cops STOP this????

I would be enraged if they didn't let me cross that bridge.  I'm white.  I would push them the fuck out of the way.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Shroomism] * 6
    #23782666 - 10/29/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Next up; German Jews protest to allow the nazi party back on the ballot.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 2
    #23782667 - 10/29/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

OK, so it is ok for whites to do that also? I'm cool with that.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #23782676 - 10/29/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I would be enraged if they didn't let me cross that bridge.  I'm white.  I would push them the fuck out of the way.



I'm sure that's exactly the kind of thing they were hoping would happen.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23782679 - 10/29/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Its the uc system,liberals gone wild,they let in ppl of color at lesser qualifications then white or azn,cal, is even trying
To let illegals become lawyers in the state,madness


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: psi]
    #23782688 - 10/29/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I would be enraged if they didn't let me cross that bridge.  I'm white.  I would push them the fuck out of the way.



I'm sure that's exactly the kind of thing they were hoping would happen.





I would first ask them politely to let me through. 
I would ask a few times.
If they still didn't let me through then I would gently push them apart and start walking into them.
There is no way that I would face criminal charges for pushing through people with arms locked together, not allowing me through because of my race.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #23782693 - 10/29/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They would get violent on you, and probably face no repercussions.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #23782704 - 10/29/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Why is it always Berkley? What is going on over there?????


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Shroomism]
    #23782712 - 10/29/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

This is regular for Berkeley. This kind of shit or other shit like it happens in Berkeley on a daily basis.

Welcome to the far left: just like the far right except left. These are the same people who are against interracial marriage (just like the far right) except they have different "reasons" why it's bad. Seriously, the far left believes all the things that the far right believes in, but for different "reasons."

There is no sanity in either the far left or the far right and for the exact same reasons.




Oh, and by the way, one last thing: White students only make up 25% of Berkeley's student population to begin wtih: http://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Shroomism]
    #23782717 - 10/29/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's nuts how the people who buy into this stuff believe in all seriousness that they're anti-racist and working on the side of true justice.

The union I belong to and pay dues to as a TA holds meetings for "racialized" workers that others are unwelcome to attend.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: nooneman]
    #23782727 - 10/29/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I was in Berkeley for SCI tour almost 10 years ago. The cops loved us, no hassles.... Probably cause we were all happy being nice to everyone & not bitching or complaining about anything.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Shroomism]
    #23782733 - 10/29/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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They would get violent on you, and probably face no repercussions.



When did the right become such pussies? How is blocking a road violent?


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: koods] * 3
    #23782744 - 10/29/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well, in Berkeley student protesters have fairly regularly in the past pushed and physically forced people not to cross their lines. It's something of a major point of contention between students who have to get to fucking class and the protesters. I have little doubt that if someone tried hard enough to cross the wrong protest that violence would be the result.

And frankly, I don't think anyone on either side has any right to block a road or to block free movement in general. Protest while someone is walking by you, but I don't think anyone on either side has any right to block a road or to occupy a building.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: nooneman]
    #23782748 - 10/29/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Civil disobedience is an American tradition. OP doesn't like it because he's a communist.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: koods] * 3
    #23782764 - 10/29/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So is the freedom to get where you need to go, and the right to defend yourself. So they'll have no room to complain when they get shoved out of the way.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Dark_Star] * 1
    #23782769 - 10/29/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Commie


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: koods]
    #23782770 - 10/29/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Next they are going to want their own drinking fountains. :facepalm:


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: koods] * 3
    #23782773 - 10/29/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Civil disobedience is an American tradition. OP doesn't like it because he's a communist.



So you have no problem with their methods at all? What if someone organized a similar protest and blocked just black students from getting through, would that be just as excusable under the umbrella of civil disobedience?


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23782778 - 10/29/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

IT'S A DYSTOPIAN NIGHTMAAAAARE  :triggered:


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Shroomism]
    #23782780 - 10/29/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I would expect them to get violent with me. 
They better face repercussions.  They aren't letting me through!  That's probably a form of kidnapping.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: psi]
    #23782783 - 10/29/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

No, I'd crush their skulls with military force.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: koods]
    #23782785 - 10/29/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I wrote what I named the communist handbook (after the anarchists handbook) when I was in 6th grade. It had my plans for world domination, plus illustrations. I brought it school & got in trouble. The teacher called it military genius though, and said he could see me going to West Point when I was older.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: koods]
    #23782789 - 10/29/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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No, I'd crush their skulls with military force.



Oh, ok then.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #23782797 - 10/29/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Couldn't make this shit up if you tried





how long did it take for you to figure out that UC Berkley students were retarded,
didnt you notice this over the last 20 years? Berkley has been a magnet for retards
since the 60s, in fact it seems most colleges have been since that time


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Prisoner#1] * 3
    #23782806 - 10/29/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

"Colleges r dum" - Prisoner#1


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: psi]
    #23782809 - 10/29/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Civil disobedience is an American tradition. OP doesn't like it because he's a communist.



So you have no problem with their methods at all? What if someone organized a similar protest and blocked just black students from getting through, would that be just as excusable under the umbrella of civil disobedience?





tell us, what would happen if black students were prevented from crossing a bridge
because of a predominantly melanin challenge group? I'm curious to know your view?


I'm fine with their civil disobedience, I hope they're OK enough with my desire to
cross their protest line, hopefully they're willing to bleed and die for their cause


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: koods] * 1
    #23782812 - 10/29/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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"Colleges r dum" - Prisoner#1





no, just the students that they admit.

wait, you're a college buy arent you, that explains so much now


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23782844 - 10/29/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Civil disobedience is an American tradition. OP doesn't like it because he's a communist.



So you have no problem with their methods at all? What if someone organized a similar protest and blocked just black students from getting through, would that be just as excusable under the umbrella of civil disobedience?





tell us, what would happen if black students were prevented from crossing a bridge
because of a predominantly melanin challenge group? I'm curious to know your view?



I wouldn't hazard a guess as to the outcome, as I don't really know a lot about Berkely or the police there. I'm opposed to it in both cases though.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: psi]
    #23782863 - 10/29/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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psi said:
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Civil disobedience is an American tradition. OP doesn't like it because he's a communist.



So you have no problem with their methods at all? What if someone organized a similar protest and blocked just black students from getting through, would that be just as excusable under the umbrella of civil disobedience?





tell us, what would happen if black students were prevented from crossing a bridge
because of a predominantly melanin challenge group? I'm curious to know your view?



I wouldn't hazard a guess as to the outcome, as I don't really know a lot about Berkely or the police there. I'm opposed to it in both cases though.





so you support leaving those protesters broken and bleeding


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23782866 - 10/29/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well the thing is people say words all the time. Words don't mean shit. You have to MAKE people listen to you. You think we would have this on the news if people weren't impeded? If they just sat on the side walk and talked? Nah. That's why people go on strike too. You can ask 50,000 times for something but no one is really going to listen if there's not some form of consequences.


Not saying I agree with the point of the protest, just saying that sideline peaceful protests happen multiple times a day in states and probably at least every other day at the capitol and no one pays attention. You need to make a fuss if anyone will listen. Which is why this country is starting to suck. The government doesn't listen to the people and so few people aren't afraid to force them to listen... well they're just terrorists.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23782869 - 10/29/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think we should be advocating "safe spaces" for pedophiles.  Good idea or great idea?


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23782873 - 10/29/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah well shooting people will also get you lots of attention, but if you're serious about your cause you don't go around shooting people. Or blocking free movement. Or occupying buildings.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: moonrockmushy] * 3
    #23782881 - 10/29/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I think we should be advocating "safe spaces" for pedophiles.  Good idea or great idea?





we have safe spaces for pedophiles, they just dont want to use them

it doesnt get any safer than this



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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23782883 - 10/29/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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so you support leaving those protesters broken and bleeding



I would be in favor the of police stepping in and making sure that people were able to get through. How exactly that would play out would depend on the individuals involved, but I don't think "broken and bleeding" should be a first resort.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23782887 - 10/29/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well the thing is people say words all the time. Words don't mean shit.





the georgia constitution states that we have the right to free speech but we also
have to bear the consequences for free speech. I like that concept

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You have to MAKE people listen to you.




you think this guy will listen to the message of "get out of my way" if he was a
protester and he decided to try and physically restrain me from crossing a bridge?



sometimes it's the actions that speak louder then words


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: psi] * 1
    #23782896 - 10/29/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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so you support leaving those protesters broken and bleeding



I would be in favor the of police stepping in and making sure that people were able to get through. How exactly that would play out would depend on the individuals involved, but I don't think "broken and bleeding" should be a first resort.




the first resort would be to attempt to cross their protest line, the second would
be to try again, what am I to do when I'm being physically assaulted by someone that
wants to stop me from my destination. I'm an old guy, I'm half crippled, they other
half isnt all there in the head. I'm not responsible for my actions due to my PTSD
from getting triggered by people getting in my way, when I was but a wee child
someone got in my way once and it was a very traumatic experience, I never got over
than and now I go into a blind rage from the triggering


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23782900 - 10/29/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I think we should be advocating "safe spaces" for pedophiles.  Good idea or great idea?




Progressives are already pushing this under the guise of "tolerance"


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23782901 - 10/29/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Perfect example of why liberalism is a fucking disease.

They are the violent ones, they are the racist, they are the law breakers, the shit starters, the closeminded hipocrites.

They brainwash the masses via the media and education.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 1
    #23782904 - 10/29/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, no conservative ever was violent, racist, broke the law, were shit starters, or close minded hypocrites, ever in history.

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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23782906 - 10/29/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah, no conservative ever was violent, racist, broke the law, were shit starters, or close minded hypocrites, ever in history.

:facepalm:




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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23782912 - 10/29/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

the Oregon takeover people.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23782919 - 10/29/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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the Oregon takeover people.





That's it? That's your example?


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    #23782928 - 10/29/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah, no conservative ever was violent, racist, broke the law, were shit starters, or close minded hypocrites, ever in history.

:facepalm:



Oh stfu with your strawman. I never said shit about conservatives being any better. This would be why i dont bother arguing with people, theyre just so fucking inept. Miss the point, argue about something completely irrelevant etc.

Currently we have a BIG problem with liberalism in this country. The media portrays the gun toting religious violent intolerant conservatives as the danger. All one has to do is somewhat pay attention to current events to know who the biggest problem is.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23782936 - 10/29/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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the Oregon takeover people.





That's it? That's your example?



No he's gonna spew shit about Timothy Mcvey and other shit that happened over 20 years ago and ignore the liberal dog shit we are all stepping in currently


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    #23782946 - 10/29/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

SJW protests are slowly making me pro mass shootings... Where are the terrorists when you need them?


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    #23783009 - 10/29/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Next they are going to want their own drinking fountains. :facepalm:




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    #23783017 - 10/29/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well the thing is people say words all the time. Words don't mean shit.





the georgia constitution states that we have the right to free speech but we also
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You have to MAKE people listen to you.




you think this guy will listen to the message of "get out of my way" if he was a
protester and he decided to try and physically restrain me from crossing a bridge?

sometimes it's the actions that speak louder then words




Yeah I agree on that point.
It can be very contradictory to protest violence with violence. That's why the MLK and Indian independence protests got so much praise. Cuz they got the shit beat out of them without hurting anyone. (or at least in alot of cases.) If you believe in a cause so much that you are willing to be beat to death or set yourself on fire to prove it then people will listen.


Though in this case the extremes on this level would make alot of people seriously concerned about our youths and the bullshit they're "learning" in school. Which I do think is an issue worthy of recognition.


But then this is why I don't support the BLM riots and shootings. I mean one reason. I think the movement itself is a bit misguided by leaning heavily on the racial prejudice issue. But it doesn't help your cause at all to say police are violent racists and to go and shoot police. That's dumb.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23783096 - 10/29/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

"But then this is why I don't support the BLM riots and shootings. I mean one reason. I think the movement itself is a bit misguided by leaning heavily on the racial prejudice issue. But it doesn't help your cause at all to say police are violent racists and to go and shoot police. That's dumb."

You are obviously some conservative racist scumbag for believing that. Obviously


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Shroomism]
    #23783272 - 10/29/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Im confused, the liberals are blocking whites from entering so people of "color" can enter? So non-white people are given the benefit of the doubt and not the whites?

what the hell?


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: koods] * 5
    #23783394 - 10/29/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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They would get violent on you, and probably face no repercussions.



When did the right become such pussies? How is blocking a road violent?




lol at you calling people pussies. I'm saying if a white person tried to force their way through... those retards would most likely escalate it to physical violence. If they did that to me personally I'd just steamroll a motherfucker or three.
Don't take kindly to retards blocking my primary path with a shit eating smirk on their face.

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Civil disobedience is an American tradition. OP doesn't like it because he's a communist.




:rofl:
If this video was reversed and white people were blocking the road and telling all the "coloreds" they couldn't pass you'd be in here screaming racism at the top of your fingertip speed.

The cognitive dissonance is fucking unreal. Are you willfully ignorant or what? Because that's the worst kind. Aren't you a school teacher? Jesus christ. Won't someone think of the children.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Shroomism]
    #23783405 - 10/29/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How is koods still standing? If this was real life, he'd have a battered up face, bruises everywhere, walking around with a limp.


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    #23783411 - 10/29/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

^ violent conservative


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: koods]
    #23783433 - 10/29/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Calm your horses, I'm just joshin'


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    #23783475 - 10/29/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Why does it even matter if the students are liberal or super conservative?

Does that even change anything?... Come on people, we all know stupidity is not bound to any one race gender or political stance...


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    #23783476 - 10/29/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What a liberal thing to say..


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    #23783533 - 10/29/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What a conservative thing to say :ohyou:


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    #23783557 - 10/29/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm 500% neutral :laugh:


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    #23783574 - 10/29/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm 500% neutral :laugh:




I am relatively neutral too. I agree and disagree with parts of pretty much every party and generally just try to stay out of politics as its a shit show...


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    #23783605 - 10/29/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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    #23783610 - 10/29/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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take that white people :excellent:






"Ohhhhhh fuck white people, me wish em all die. Me hate white people, gotta lot of reasons why. Souless devil wrapped in translucent skin."

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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #23783853 - 10/29/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh stfu with your strawman. I never said shit about conservatives being any better. This would be why i dont bother arguing with people, theyre just so fucking inept. Miss the point, argue about something completely irrelevant etc.

Currently we have a BIG problem with liberalism in this country. The media portrays the gun toting religious violent intolerant conservatives as the danger. All one has to do is somewhat pay attention to current events to know who the biggest problem is.




YOU STFU with your misapprehending a statement for a strawman when it isn't one. i never said "you said" anything. did i? no. so shut da fuck up, yourself. you're ineptly missing my point...that SJWs aren't liberals...they are regressive post-liberal shitheads. so there is no liberalism problem (which is the most idiotic absurd thing i've ever heard of) but a regressive snowflake problem. just like how there isn't a conservative problem...just conservatives whom might enjoin to a terrorist group like Oregon occupy, or conservatives whom might blow up a building, or conservatives who'll sell out their countrymen. :shrug: :stfu:


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Shroomism]
    #23783885 - 10/29/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Students at the University of California, Berkeley held a violent protest on campus last Friday to demand additional segregated “spaces of color” for non-white students. They refused to let people pass major traffic areas. These protests were encouraged by some university faculty. They blocked the main entrance to the school to all whites and let people of color pass.




The video doesn't seem to portray what you are saying, there's a white male student that passes through the protesters at 0:04 seconds with somebody (I'm guessing the ringleader?) saying "Let him go, let him go."


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    #23783892 - 10/29/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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They would get violent on you, and probably face no repercussions.




This is why I would just barrel through as fast as I could, at least provided that it were legal for me to do so.

Is there any word on the legality of that?


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    #23784029 - 10/29/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The video doesn't seem to portray what you are saying, there's a white male student that passes through the protesters at 0:04 seconds with somebody (I'm guessing the ringleader?) saying "Let him go, let him go."




lol. That's the description of the video. How is it not portraying what's in the video? Did we watch the same video.
Watch again. He forcefully pushes through them from behind as they are first forming the chain.

at 0:11 they let people of color pass
at 1:09 they block passage to a white guy
at 1:19 they block another white person and get all shovey
at 1:30 they let some people of color through
at 1:35 they let people of color through
at 1:59 they block a group of white people and the crowd chant GO AROUND
at 2:12 they block another white guy and then rail into him for his white privilege
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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Shroomism]
    #23784049 - 10/29/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Now u know what it's like to be black


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    #23784062 - 10/29/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

identity politics is a load of shit these days


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Shroomism]
    #23784107 - 10/29/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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at 0:11 they let people of color pass
at 1:09 they block passage to a white guy
at 1:19 they block another white person and get all shovey
at 1:30 they let some people of color through
at 1:35 they let people of color through
at 1:59 they block a group of white people and the crowd chant GO AROUND
at 2:12 they block another white guy and then rail into him for his white privilege
at 3:43 they parade their belligerent bullshit into the student union to disrupt people studying




So why did they let the white male at 4 seconds pass? Are they discriminating even among whites now?


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Crystal G]
    #23784122 - 10/29/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

same thing happened at sfsu last year when all the whiny kids got butthurt about "budget cuts" to the enthnic studies department. the representatives of the group were actually trying to negotiate, among other things, COLORED-ONLY DORMS.

the fuck hahahah. Most of these bay area schools are the most mixed-race schools in the world. fucking 99% of kids age 20 are so so dumb


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Shroomism]
    #23784314 - 10/30/16 01:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck yes!! Get those ignorant motherfuckers to vote for segregation, and let's bring it back! :lmafo:
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    #23784578 - 10/30/16 07:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I for one would love if minorities did this at my university. First, let's give them their own bridge. Next, after they bitch and moan, let them have their own housing. Lastly, we could just build them a minority-only university.

Then, after they all leave,  we could all sit back and see what happens to the grade point average, crime rate and graduation rate of the university.


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    #23784589 - 10/30/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23784593 - 10/30/16 07:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

We all know exactly what would happen.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23784651 - 10/30/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well the thing is people say words all the time. Words don't mean shit.





the georgia constitution states that we have the right to free speech but we also
have to bear the consequences for free speech. I like that concept

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You have to MAKE people listen to you.




you think this guy will listen to the message of "get out of my way" if he was a
protester and he decided to try and physically restrain me from crossing a bridge?

sometimes it's the actions that speak louder then words




Yeah I agree on that point.
It can be very contradictory to protest violence with violence. That's why the MLK and Indian independence protests got so much praise. Cuz they got the shit beat out of them without hurting anyone. (or at least in alot of cases.) If you believe in a cause so much that you are willing to be beat to death or set yourself on fire to prove it then people will listen.




people like to attribute a lot to ghandi and MLK as non violent people and how
they gained so much through non violence but the fact of the matter is that the
media pushed that shit, ghandi promoted non violence to those that did not believe
they could kill but told others to kill until they've had their fill of killing,
he had a lot of other issues that people like to claim didnt happen such as his
indomitable hatred of blacks or his pedophilia and incest but a couple of his own
family had written books on the subject

"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence."

"I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence... I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honour than that she should, in a cowardly manner, become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor."

Though in this case the extremes on this level would make alot of people seriously concerned about our youths and the bullshit they're "learning" in school. Which I do think is an issue worthy of recognition.


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But then this is why I don't support the BLM riots and shootings. I mean one reason. I think the movement itself is a bit misguided by leaning heavily on the racial prejudice issue. But it doesn't help your cause at all to say police are violent racists and to go and shoot police. That's dumb.





I dont think it helps their cause that they heavily push racism and that the
entire foundation of their movement is based on complete bullshit that's so
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    #23784655 - 10/30/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I for one would love if minorities did this at my university. First, let's give them their own bridge. Next, after they bitch and moan, let them have their own housing. Lastly, we could just build them a minority-only university.




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    #23784666 - 10/30/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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We all know exactly what would happen.




Yeah, they'd blame people (republicans) who have absolutely no say in their lives :rolleyes:


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    #23784747 - 10/30/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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We all know exactly what would happen.



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    #23784759 - 10/30/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I for one would love if minorities did this at my university. First, let's give them their own bridge. Next, after they bitch and moan, let them have their own housing. Lastly, we could just build them a minority-only university.

Then, after they all leave,  we could all sit back and see what happens to the grade point average, crime rate and graduation rate of the university.




Blacks are now segregating themselves, no one is complaining.

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    #23784966 - 10/30/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Alex Jones went on a rant the other day about the Jewish Mafia. Things are getting ugly .


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    #23784976 - 10/30/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Jews will be next .

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/303466-trump-supporter-screams-jew-s-a-at-media-at-phoenix-rally




Jews have always segregated themselves, so there's no "next" in this case.


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    #23784981 - 10/30/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The new conservative movement were seeing is starting to look more and more like the 911 truth movement .  After the election is over I expect tosee trump and Alex jones on tv making nonsensical rants and sucking each other cocks .


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Jews have always segregated themselves, so there's no "next" in this case.



  Oh well then it's ok for trump supports to be aggressively anti Jew . That's way I thought u would say .


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Jews have always segregated themselves, so there's no "next" in this case.



  Oh well then it's ok for trump supports to be aggressively anti Jew . That's way I thought u would say .




I didn't say it was OK, but people are finally waking up about the agenda of the Jewish Media.


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    #23785070 - 10/30/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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We all know exactly what would happen.



 
Yup, the graduation rate will drop with all the high achieving Asian & Indian students no longer there.


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    #23785121 - 10/30/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Those minorities aren't the ones blocking bridges.


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    #23785127 - 10/30/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The video doesn't seem to portray what you are saying, there's a white male student that passes through the protesters at 0:04 seconds with somebody (I'm guessing the ringleader?) saying "Let him go, let him go."




lol. That's the description of the video. How is it not portraying what's in the video? Did we watch the same video.
Watch again. He forcefully pushes through them from behind as they are first forming the chain.

at 0:11 they let people of color pass
at 1:09 they block passage to a white guy
at 1:19 they block another white person and get all shovey
at 1:30 they let some people of color through
at 1:35 they let people of color through
at 1:59 they block a group of white people and the crowd chant GO AROUND
at 2:12 they block another white guy and then rail into him for his white privilege
at 3:43 they parade their belligerent bullshit into the student union to disrupt people studying




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So why did they let the white male at 4 seconds pass? Are they discriminating even among whites now?




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Watch again. He forcefully pushes through them from behind as they are first forming the chain.





There's also an asian guy that forces through at the same time.

After that they don't let any whites through.

They didn't "let him through". He forced his way through. After he busted through, someone shouted out "let him go".... as if what's the alternative, beat him to a pulp for passing through? :lol:
More like "Let it go, one slipped through, we'll get the rest of them!"

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    #23785162 - 10/30/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have to say those white students are really a bunch of retards, how long does it take to form a group of 20 white males and charge through those assholes forming a human wall? 

I would charge through that wall with enough force to make those fools truly regret ever thinking they can dictate with their version of force.


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    #23785192 - 10/30/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Couldn't make this shit up if you tried :rofl:



Students at the University of California, Berkeley held a violent protest on campus last Friday to demand additional segregated “spaces of color” for non-white students. They refused to let people pass major traffic areas. These protests were encouraged by some university faculty. They blocked the main entrance to the school to all whites and let people of color pass.




i didn't see any violence. and labeling the protesters as 'liberal' is a baseless assumption. you also seem to be tossing around the term 'segregation' as if the students are pushing for a racially segregated society - by law - when it seems like they are merely protesting for 'safe spaces' on campus.

moreover, according to the video, there also seems to be some stuff about "profit over students". but that is kept to a minimum, most likely because it wouldn't jibe with the image that the students are a bunch of mindless lefty fascists. and perhaps they are. but something tells me that there's more to this than pc culture.

a senior from the university of chicago wrote an intriguing letter to the new york times in september about the dean's welcome letter to the students, which warned newcomers to check their dainty liberal sensibilities at the door. according to the author, the letter was peculiar because the university, including the dean, does in fact support safe spaces.

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The really strange thing about the Ellison letter, though, is that it positioned itself in opposition to resources the University of Chicago has already built: Instructors already choose whether to use trigger warnings in their classes, and there are many safe spaces on campus. Dean Ellison is even listed as a “safe space ally” on the website of one program run by the Office of L.G.B.T.Q. Student Life.




but more interestingly, the letter seemed to have been a diversion to cover up the more significant grievances of the protesters.

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The administration wants to appear as an intellectual force beating back destabilizing waves of political correctness that have rocked college campuses. But the focus of student protests hasn’t been the lack of trigger warnings and safe spaces. Instead, many protesters want the university to evaluate how it invests its money, improve access for students with mental illnesses and disabilities, support low-income and first-generation students, and pay its employees fair wages. They have been pushing for more transparency in the school’s private police force, which has resisted making most of its policies public in the face of complaints. The university is also under federal investigation over its handling of sexual assault cases.

Yet, the administration has refused to meet with student groups who have asked to discuss these issues, and it has threatened to discipline students who staged a sit-in protest. The university even hired a provost who specializes in corporate crisis management and dealing with “activist pressure.” While the university accuses students of silencing opposing voices, it continues to insulate itself against difficult questions.

In this context, it’s hard to see the dean’s letter as anything other than a public relations maneuver. While students are being depicted as coddled and fragile, the administration is stacking bricks in its institutional wall to avoid engaging with their real concerns.





i cannot say what's going on with the berkley protesters. but it seems premature to conclude that their position is wholly incoherent when that position has only been partially presented.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: millzy]
    #23785202 - 10/30/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

1. That was just a copy paste of the description on the video. Looks like they've since changed it. Most assuredly they are liberals.

2. They were demanding the University create “safe spaces” for transgenders and “spaces of color” for non-white students on campus.

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Students at the University of California, Berkeley held a protest Friday demanding that the University create both “safe spaces” for transgenders and “spaces of color” for non-white students on campus.

A video of Friday’s protest shows a large group of protesters preventing white students from passing over a bridge while allowing access to students of color.

In addition to blocking access to Berkeley’s Sather Gate, a key bridge on the route to many classes, the wall of protesters also prevented white students from studying in the Student Union and stopped traffic at the main intersection in the front of campus.

One of the protest’s leaders can be heard yelling “Who’s university?” into a megaphone. The wall of protesters respond in unison, screaming “our university!”

After blocking the bridge, the protesters moved to occupy the front of the student store. The video captures a protester placing a “notice of eviction” on the side of the student store.

“You are hereby notified by the students of the University of California, Berkeley to vacate the premises immediately,” the eviction notice states. “University administration wrongly allocated this two-story facility to a third-party corporation, keeping in line with its intensifying legacy of prioritizing financial profit over student needs.”

The notice then demands the university create safe spaces for trans and students of color because “the work that these student-run spaces produce to recruit and retain students of color and provide support for the LGBTQIIA+ student community is invaluable and must be affirmed by the university.”

The notice also includes a threatening ultimatum to the University, stating “if you fail to vacate immediately, community action will continue to escalate with the goal of eliminating any revenue generation.” The students also added that they believe that “This space expansion is one step in an ongoing process to remedy the historical devaluation of students of color and LGBTQIA+ students.”

After posting the notice, the protesters continued to disrupt their campus by leading a chant through the university’s student union, where many students go to study.

“They are being quite childish,” declares a Berkeley student watching the protests. “I agree with the right to protest but disrupting the peace of others is not OK.”




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    #23785215 - 10/30/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

and again, what is your basis for stating that they are liberal? and again, the push for safe spaces seem to be only part of why they were protesting. if you take the u of c letter seriously, you must ask yourself if this is just the berkley administration's framing of what went down rather than the real story.


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    #23785223 - 10/30/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Because only liberals form human chains to block traffic while demanding safe spaces.

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if you take the u of c letter seriously, you must ask yourself if this is just the berkley administration's framing of what went down rather than the real story.




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    #23785225 - 10/30/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"I didn't see any violence"

The act of restricting someone's movement based on their RACE in public is a form of violence.


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    #23785232 - 10/30/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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and again, what is your basis for stating that they are liberal? and again, the push for safe spaces seem to be only part of why they were protesting. if you take the u of c letter seriously, you must ask yourself if this is just the berkley administration's framing of what went down rather than the real story.




I'm sure they consider themselves "liberal", but we both know they're racist violent thugs.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: qman]
    #23785243 - 10/30/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

And only modern liberals can promote racism in the name of solving the problem of racism/discrimination from the past :rofl:

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    #23785245 - 10/30/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Because only liberals form human chains to block traffic while demanding safe spaces.




airtight reasoning.

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"I didn't see any violence"

The act of restricting someone's movement based on their RACE in public is a form of violence.




that's a bit of a stretch.

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I'm sure they consider themselves "liberal", but we both know they're racist violent thugs.




how can you be sure of anything? that's my point: you guys are taking a little piece of what happened and drawing conclusions largely based on your own worldviews and prejudices rather than facts.


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    #23785260 - 10/30/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

And you would be saying the EXACT same thing if the tables were reversed, and it was just white people forming a human chain, blocking all traffic to the "coloreds and queers".... RIGHT?


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    #23785268 - 10/30/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Because only liberals form human chains to block traffic while demanding safe spaces.




airtight reasoning.

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"I didn't see any violence"

The act of restricting someone's movement based on their RACE in public is a form of violence.




that's a bit of a stretch.

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I'm sure they consider themselves "liberal", but we both know they're racist violent thugs.




how can you be sure of anything? that's my point: you guys are taking a little piece of what happened and drawing conclusions largely based on your own worldviews and prejudices rather than facts.




"how can you be sure of anything?"

Hmm, they are restricting peoples movement based on their race, that's the conclusion from everyone that has eyes and eyes?  :facepalm:

"based on your own worldviews and prejudices"

Oh, it's my "racist" viewpoint that's the problem now?  :huxleyfacepalm:


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    #23785276 - 10/30/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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And you would be saying the EXACT same thing if the tables were reversed, and it was just white people forming a human chain, blocking all traffic to the "coloreds and queers".... RIGHT?




Oh, then that's a different issue all together, because only white people can be racist according to the world of milzy. :rofl2:


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    #23785284 - 10/30/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

here again you miss the point.

in my original reply i stated that perhaps the protesters are fascist (that seems to be the term you're searching for rather than 'liberal', by the way). i wouldn't know either way because i didn't catch enough of the story presented in the video to draw any sort of conclusion. considering how the u of c has had similar issues as berkeley, and the way that the u of c handled its protests, it wouldn't be surprising to see a similar move being made in this case. <--- this is my point by the way since you seem to need so much help with other people doing your thinking for you.


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    #23785294 - 10/30/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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and labeling the protesters as 'liberal' is a baseless assumption.




That's not at all a baseless assumption. Only liberals talk about safe spaces and white privilege.

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you also seem to be tossing around the term 'segregation' as if the students are pushing for a racially segregated society - by law - when it seems like they are merely protesting for 'safe spaces' on campus.




They want safe spaces specifically for 'people of color'. That's literally segregation. You were the one who jumped to some nonsense about segregating society by law, as if merely using the word segregation implies this.

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moreover, according to the video, there also seems to be some stuff about "profit over students". but that is kept to a minimum, most likely because it wouldn't jibe with the image that the students are a bunch of mindless lefty fascists. and perhaps they are. but something tells me that there's more to this than pc culture.





If you pause the video on the 'eviction notice' the dumbasses put on the student store, you would see that they are just pissy that the university gave the new building to the corporation instead of to them for their safe spaces and support groups.


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    #23785318 - 10/30/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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here again you miss the point.

in my original reply i stated that perhaps the protesters are fascist (that seems to be the term you're searching for rather than 'liberal', by the way). i wouldn't know either way because i didn't catch enough of the story presented in the video to draw any sort of conclusion. considering how the u of c has had similar issues as berkeley, and the way that the u of c handled its protests, it wouldn't be surprising to see a similar move being made in this case. <--- this is my point by the way since you seem to need so much help with other people doing your thinking for you.




"draw any sort of conclusion"

Your inability to draw any conclusion on an obvious outcome is based in denial.

"similar move being made in this case"

Yeah, restricting peoples movement based on race is now referred to as a "move"?  :flowstone:


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and labeling the protesters as 'liberal' is a baseless assumption.




That's not at all a baseless assumption. Only liberals talk about safe spaces and white privilege.

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you also seem to be tossing around the term 'segregation' as if the students are pushing for a racially segregated society - by law - when it seems like they are merely protesting for 'safe spaces' on campus.




They want safe spaces specifically for 'people of color'. That's literally segregation. You were the one who jumped to some nonsense about segregating society by law, as if merely using the word segregation implies this.

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moreover, according to the video, there also seems to be some stuff about "profit over students". but that is kept to a minimum, most likely because it wouldn't jibe with the image that the students are a bunch of mindless lefty fascists. and perhaps they are. but something tells me that there's more to this than pc culture.





If you pause the video on the 'eviction notice' the dumbasses put on the student store, you would see that they are just pissy that the university gave the new building to the corporation instead of to them for their safe spaces and support groups.




i actually wasn't the person who used the term 'segregation' initially; it was whoever titled the video. and i find it hard to believe that it was used without the intent of conjuring up the image of de jure segregation (only this time against whitey).

and again, you're not being presented with the whole story. maybe the students are dumbasses. i'm hesitant to draw that conclusion whereas you are not because you clearly have an axe to grind with pc culture and all that it entails to you, i.e. 'liberals', 'reverse racism' etc.

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here again you miss the point.

in my original reply i stated that perhaps the protesters are fascist (that seems to be the term you're searching for rather than 'liberal', by the way). i wouldn't know either way because i didn't catch enough of the story presented in the video to draw any sort of conclusion. considering how the u of c has had similar issues as berkeley, and the way that the u of c handled its protests, it wouldn't be surprising to see a similar move being made in this case. <--- this is my point by the way since you seem to need so much help with other people doing your thinking for you.




"draw any sort of conclusion"

Your inability to draw any conclusion on an obvious outcome is based in denial.

"similar move being made in this case"

Yeah, restricting peoples movement based on race is now referred to as a "move"?  :flowstone:




my inability to draw a conclusion is based in a lack of factual evidence.

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    #23785374 - 10/30/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i actually wasn't the person who used the term 'segregation' initially; it was whoever titled the video. and i find it hard to believe that it was used without the intent of conjuring up the image of de jure segregation (only this time against whitey).

and again, you're not being presented with the whole story. maybe the students are dumbasses. i'm hesitant to draw that conclusion whereas you are not because you clearly have an axe to grind with pc culture and all that it entails to you, i.e. 'liberals', 'reverse racism' etc.





I didn't say you were the one who used the term initially. I said you were the one who jumped to the idea of societal segregation by law. Who is coming to conclusions sans evidence now? Wanting safe spaces for colored students only is literally segregation. Why would they not use that word?

I'm so glad you are refraining from drawing conclusions about the protestors while simultaneously drawing conclusions about me and what pc culture entails to me. Apparently you think jackasses making fools of themselves instead of doing what college is for deserve the benefit of the doubt while some person on the internet who pointed out your nonsense doesn't.


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    #23785389 - 10/30/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"you're not being presented with the full story...my inability to draw a conclusion is based in a lack of factual evidence"

Just stop, you're making yourself look very foolish at this point.


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    #23785403 - 10/30/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23785411 - 10/30/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't watch the video or read in on this story here, just sort of took the op and some others describing what happened at face value.

So there may have been no violence yet but their actions of blocking people is certainly likely to lead to physical altercation and violence. And if you don't believe that allow me to play a game with you called "stop hitting yourself."

So theres that aspect there, but lets not forget what these bigots are essentially doing..which is participating in this ever growing in popularity neo-liberal/anti-white/racist movement. These people are the radical left. Each side, left and right, have their batshit extremists. (Think Rush Limbaugh and Micheal More for example)

But it seems like these radical left are prolific in numbers recently. Much more so than the right and with much more incident of violent attacks. In chicago my home town, when they had the trump rally, many showed up to protest. HUGE numbers..

The police were instructed to intervene only if it got really nasty. So you had groups of punks doing things like bullying 60 year old women. Screaming in their ears, spitting, threatening, throwing shit. The police were told to treat the protesters with kid gloves because the animals would explode into a fucking frenzy if too many started getting detained/arrested.

I as a white male really feel like a war is being waged on me by the extreme left for no other reason than my race.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23785422 - 10/30/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:whattefuck2:
Are you talking about yourself in the third fucking person? Split personality or what? :lol:

EDIT: nevermind


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: greencrush420]
    #23785426 - 10/30/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Bro, ur trippin.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23785438 - 10/30/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So many squishy unathletic bodies. Just start dropping them till they get the hint that you need to go to class. Isn't Berkeley suppose to be a smart school?


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Webster10]
    #23785443 - 10/30/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Then, after they all leave,  we could all sit back and see what happens to the grade point average, crime rate and graduation rate of the university.




Lol, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, UC Berkeley and UCLA are already mostly minority universities, and they're some of the safest and best schools in the country.


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    #23785446 - 10/30/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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He's just being pseudo-intellectual. It's kind of his thing.



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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23785452 - 10/30/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

wanting safe spaces is not 'segregation' as the term is widely interpreted (i.e. de jure segregation as we saw up until the early 60's). while i do not have evidence of the author's intent, it would seem strange to use that word and have it mean something else.

and that is hardly as much of a stretch as assuming that the students were acting like a bunch of savages. but again, perhaps they were. perhaps blocking off entrances is wrong in all cases. i can get on board with that. but what i can't get on board with is assuming that i know the whole story of what's going on when i clearly do not. i am inclined to believe that the students were probably riled up about much more than 'segregating' their campus, that the university framed the events in a way to draw attention away from those reasons, and i have good reasons to believe why that's true (because another campus with nearly identical problems is doing the same thing). 

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He's just being pseudo-intellectual. It's kind of his thing.




says the ponderously arrogant poster who is obtuse for its own sake, who buys into psuedo-intellectual fads like 'pc culture'. :lol: if thinking a little more deeply about things makes me a 'psuedo-intellectual' in your eyes then i'll gladly wear that crown. at least i can be civil to those i disagree with, unlike yourself.


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    #23785454 - 10/30/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Doesn't seem safe for whites. Also, clearly they're not actually smart.


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    #23785464 - 10/30/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think they should have started a fire in the building and only allowed non-whites and genderqueers to evacuate.


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    #23785468 - 10/30/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Saw 3 blacks guys harassing a white couple on mill last night. talking shit like "leave that white pussy for a real nigga". Girl was racist for not going with them. Bitch.


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    #23785495 - 10/30/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I think they should have started a fire in the building and only allowed non-whites and genderqueers to evacuate.




Yeah, you would be thrilled to be burned alive for your white guilt, or would you be safe because you're "genderqueer"?  :rofl2:


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    #23785519 - 10/30/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"I as a white male really feel like a war is being waged on me by the extreme left for no other reason than my race."

I'd also like to add that me just saying this puts me on a list, a certain false demographic of militant radical conservative according to the media and liberal extremists.

Which is hilarious because i dont fit the profile at all. I'm not religious, I'm pro choice, i don't even own a gun lol. Not that it would be hard for me (in cook county/chicago) to obtain an illegal firearm. Of course its no coincidence that chicago is democrat controlled and corrupt as fuck. Not to mention dangerous. Must be all those numerous effective gun laws and the efficient allocation of funds/resources huh?

I'm truly scared that i or a loved one will at some point be victimized for being white. And its my believe that civil unrest, mass riots, and potential race wars are around the corner. I believe martial law is likely imminent.

I think with Hilary we can expect a serious war. And with trump i think we can expect riots and martial law.

I dont think its conspiracy theory to say that some really serious shit is around the corner for the US, and that it's being planned and shaped by the government and media.

Ask yourself this, why is obama "the pacifist" suddenly stirring shit up abroad? Is he trying to drop a catastrophe on the next president?

Is he perhaps manufacturing some big crisis so that he can avoid relinquishing his throne?

I think this is a bit far out there but i heard some people speculate that after the government/media causes civil unrest/mass riots that martial law will be enacted and that military swat teams will go door to door relinquishing people's arms.. Now i dont know if id go that far, i dont believe it could happen but you never know. Like i said i think we all can agree some bad shit is in store for Americans


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: millzy]
    #23785530 - 10/30/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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wanting safe spaces is not 'segregation' as the term is widely interpreted (i.e. de jure segregation as we saw up until the early 60's). while i do not have evidence of the author's intent, it would seem strange to use that word and have it mean something else.




Lol. Go look up the word segregation. The 'de jure' segregation you are apparently obsessed with is not the meaning of the word. This is obvious considering the fact that 'de jure' is an adjective modifying the word segregation. Using segregation to mean something other than legal segregation is not strange in the least. You assuming that legal segregation is what is meant any time a person uses the word segregation is what is strange.

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and that is hardly as much of a stretch as assuming that the students were acting like a bunch of savages. but again, perhaps they were. perhaps blocking off entrances is wrong in all cases. i can get on board with that. but what i can't get on board with is assuming that i know the whole story of what's going on when i clearly do not. i am inclined to believe that the students were probably riled up about much more than 'segregating' their campus, that the university framed the events in a way to draw attention away from those reasons, and i have good reasons to believe why that's true (because another campus with nearly identical problems is doing the same thing). 




Never said savages. However, you don't need to assume anything about how the students were acting. Watch the fucking video and see with your very own eyes how the students were acting.

What the fuck are you on about with this university framing the issue nonsense? Did the university shoot and release that video? I'm pretty sure not. You can see in the video what they are protesting via their chants, signs, and idiotic 'eviction notice' they post on the school store. It doesn't exactly take Sherlock to put the pieces together.

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says the ponderously arrogant poster who is obtuse for its own sake, who buys into psuedo-intellectual fads like 'pc culture'. :lol: if thinking a little more deeply about things makes me a 'psuedo-intellectual' in your eyes then i'll gladly wear that crown. at least i can be civil to those i disagree with, unlike yourself.




There's nothing wrong with arrogance if one can back it up. There's no need to be jealous that my intelligence reaches Olympian heights.

Thinking a little more deeply does not make one pseudo-intellectual. Strolling all over the shroomery pretentiously acting as if one is thinking a little more deeply about issues when one is really just spewing nonsense makes one pseudo-intellectual.

Calling people names on the internet is much more civil than blocking the passage of fellow students at college. I wonder why you are giving them a pass.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: qman]
    #23785563 - 10/30/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I think they should have started a fire in the building and only allowed non-whites and genderqueers to evacuate.




Yeah, you would be thrilled to be burned alive for your white guilt, or would you be safe because you're "genderqueer"?  :rofl2:




Naw I just pretend I am for shock value, but luckily nobody really pays attention to shit like that, so I would be allowed out as long as I tuck my cock into my ass crack.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: millzy]
    #23785674 - 10/30/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i actually wasn't the person who used the term 'segregation' initially; it was whoever titled the video. and i find it hard to believe that it was used without the intent of conjuring up the image of de jure segregation (only this time against whitey).





This is the literal textbook definition of segregation and racism.

This is the same shit that happened in the 60s, keeping blacks out of places and discriminating based on race. That was really fucked up right? Remember how we moved beyond that stupid shit?

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in my original reply i stated that perhaps the protesters are fascist (that seems to be the term you're searching for rather than 'liberal', by the way).




They are indeed fascist. But they would claim they are liberal. That is what defines the modern liberal, fascism.



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    #23785698 - 10/30/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hahahaha, this is pretty funny.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: millzy]
    #23785714 - 10/30/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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wanting safe spaces is not 'segregation' as the term is widely interpreted (i.e. de jure segregation as we saw up until the early 60's). while i do not have evidence of the author's intent, it would seem strange to use that word and have it mean something else.

and that is hardly as much of a stretch as assuming that the students were acting like a bunch of savages. but again, perhaps they were. perhaps blocking off entrances is wrong in all cases. i can get on board with that. but what i can't get on board with is assuming that i know the whole story of what's going on when i clearly do not. i am inclined to believe that the students were probably riled up about much more than 'segregating' their campus, that the university framed the events in a way to draw attention away from those reasons, and i have good reasons to believe why that's true (because another campus with nearly identical problems is doing the same thing). 

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He's just being pseudo-intellectual. It's kind of his thing.




says the ponderously arrogant poster who is obtuse for its own sake, who buys into psuedo-intellectual fads like 'pc culture'. :lol: if thinking a little more deeply about things makes me a 'psuedo-intellectual' in your eyes then i'll gladly wear that crown. at least i can be civil to those i disagree with, unlike yourself.




"the students were probably riled up about much more than 'segregating' their campus"

Yet, they still decided to make a human wall to inflict racism on white people.

"the university framed the events in a way to draw attention away" :facepalm:

Yeah, they told these retards to make a human wall and to harass white students which would eventually make national headline news just to draw attention away from some petty campus issues.  You're really clueless.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: qman]
    #23785744 - 10/30/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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60s, keeping blacks out of places and discriminating based on race. That was really fucked up right? Remember how we moved beyond that stupid shit?





Have u been to prison lately?.. Shit is still going on and it's as strong as ever.. And prison is basically a reflection of the real politicking going on in the White House, the gangs learned their politics from the government, they're very much the same, it's all about killing and intimating people, taxing them, ?.., $$$.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: koods]
    #23786570 - 10/30/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Alex Jones went on a rant the other day about the Jewish Mafia. Things are getting ugly .




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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23786646 - 10/30/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

America needs to incorporate more family values and Jesus into their way of life. liberalism = bad. traditional American values =/=liberalism
























all of the above is true and isn't any sort of distortion of reality.


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    #23786648 - 10/30/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

ur a distortion of reality


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    #23786656 - 10/30/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

what  you  are  experiencing  is  a  temporary  distortion  of  reality.



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    #23788360 - 10/31/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That CG robo guy looks so damn familiar....


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23789038 - 10/31/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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That CG robo guy looks so damn familiar....



I was thinking the same exact thing. I recognize but from where?

Im gonna take a stab and say he's from a cartoon called reboot. It was a pretty decent show as i remember.

I also remember that its canadian, probably because its like one of a just a small handful of things canada has ever produced that's half good. Reboot is right next to maple syrup, rush, george st.piere and john candy.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #23789466 - 10/31/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

you guys remember Britney Spears. that shit was only like half-good, too. oh and Bruce Springsteen. but yes, you're right, it's REBOOT!


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    #23789655 - 10/31/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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you guys remember Britney Spears. that shit was only like half-good, too. oh and Bruce Springsteen. but yes, you're right, it's REBOOT!




:whatwhatwhat:

Neither Spears nor Springsteen are Canadian.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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what  you  are  experiencing  is  a  temporary  distortion  of  reality.






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That CG robo guy looks so damn familiar....




Reminds me of Tripping the Rift too which is also Canadian :lol:

Anyone watch that? Took me awhile to find it online as I couldn't think of the name, I remember it being a pretty funny/ raunchy sci fi animated show though :stoned:

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    #23789755 - 10/31/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Loved Tripping the Rift, I was always all  :ohwow: when they would hold hands and go into the collective dream state.


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    #23789782 - 10/31/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's all just social cycles.. Has happened before and is now happening again...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_cycle_theory

sociological cycle theory argues that events and stages of society and history are generally repeating themselves in cycles

Liberalism rises past a point of sustainment and then socially things crash back into conservatism ...
Conservatism does the same.. passes a point of sustainment and then things break out into liberalism ..

rinse and repeat with lots of other bits in between


The liberal you see is unaware of the system limits and thus don't understand that they've already switched effectively into conservation mode as there is max liberalism and thus they slowly turn into : Conservatives .. attempting to lock in a particular system state. They fight equally as passionate as before except towards conservation... Then comes the crash ...

This phenomenon occurs right up to and past the point of sustainment as there is no more 'liberal' room left which causes a misunderstanding of cause/effect and thus the swing to conservation in an attempt to keep the fuel burning... which extinguishes the flame.

Quite the thing to observe ... Interesting times these transition points
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    #23789851 - 10/31/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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you guys remember Britney Spears. that shit was only like half-good, too. oh and Bruce Springsteen. but yes, you're right, it's REBOOT!




:whatwhatwhat:

Neither Spears nor Springsteen are Canadian.



do i need to bring up the reality distortion again. :racethread:

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Reminds me of Tripping the Rift too which is also Canadian :lol:






LOL, oh yeah, Tripping The Rift was hilarious. the adult solution to Reboot. Canada has some awesome CG shows in the day.


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    #23789893 - 10/31/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Interesting idea, but I don't think we've ever actually reached a peak of real socialism or libertarianism, economically or especially civically. Relative peaks sure, but both ideals remain in the realm of theory as far as I can tell.


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    #23790049 - 10/31/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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do i need to bring up the reality distortion again. :racethread:





Bruh, don't pretend you weren't just trying to appropriate our culture.


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Interesting idea, but I don't think we've ever actually reached a peak of real socialism or libertarianism, economically or especially civically. Relative peaks sure, but both ideals remain in the realm of theory as far as I can tell.




Peak in the sense of 'sustainment' which I guess you classify as : relative peaks. We can agree there.
Absolute/ideal peaks? I mean, does anyone know what those are? Can an ideal system even be reached? There's always an opposing force and balance....

I could be flipping out about how these idiots are undoing all the work and progress we made in the 90s' and early 2000's and are bringing back the chaotic racial issues we were beyond ...
:awthatsbullshit:

But... What appears to be crazy, retarded, and ass backwards in this case is quite clearly understandable using the proposed theory as is much of history and nature. So, i'm chill about it and see it for what it is ...


On some level, given all the information available to this generation concerning the past, one might even catch a


That stubborn human nature and youth...  vying to want to see it for themselves .. keeping that good ol' cycle going..
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    #23790086 - 10/31/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

you know what i find funny is the conservatives and republicans love to hone in on liberalism as the cause of all their problems and level at the system that "i pay my taxes, i want what's coming to me, what i'm owed! but the liberals took over", instead of railing against the financial institutions that allowed them to be steam-rolled in the first place by way of not being able to compete.

damn liberals fault for the failings of resource management, always...even though they had nothing to do with the construction of such a financial system.


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    #23790089 - 10/31/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bruh, don't pretend you weren't just trying to appropriate our culture.



dude, Gallagher was Canadian, shut up, you're not my real dad.

plus, Stephan Molyneux is also American, so shame on you guys.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23790121 - 10/31/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nardwuar is Canadian and he's pretty hella, so you guys do some things right.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23790211 - 11/01/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
you know what i find funny is the conservatives and republicans love to hone in on liberalism as the cause of all their problems and level at the system that "i pay my taxes, i want what's coming to me, what i'm owed! but the liberals took over", instead of railing against the financial institutions that allowed them to be steam-rolled in the first place by way of not being able to compete.

damn liberals fault for the failings of resource management, always...even though they had nothing to do with the construction of such a financial system.




Seems like you're caught up in the misdirection. It's ok.. You're not alone.
The root is the individual and an individual takes on individual characteristics before social groupings and classifications.

Therefore, A moron with no wherewithal for how things function who attempts to force their illogical views on others is exactly that...

"A moron with no wherewithal for how things function who attempts to force their illogical views on others"

Morons come in all sorts of shapes, sizes, colors, political affiliations, liberal slants, conservative slants, male, female, transgender, gay, straight, etc...

A person is a moron due to their own actions and beliefs not their affiliations.
So, what's really funny is that people focus on affiliations instead of calling individual morons out for what they are.. I guess its a defense mechanism formed from cognitive dissonance so one doesn't discover they may in fact be a moron too.

You see everyone likes to believe they're not the dumb idiot with unfounded views.. It's always some other group that they are conveniently not in... What childlike handwaving is that? But I guess that passes as a valid defense in today's society... Says a lot.

What I reflected on are the social cycles from one dominant ideology to another.. It's why there are periods of social conservatism and liberalism all throughout history..

One dominant ideology pushes society off the rails and then the other takes over.. rinse and repeat.

There's enough morons to go around for both conservatives and liberals. No grouping has a monopoly on that. This video and thread makes that quite clear.


P.S - What's also a head scratcher (but not really) is when the people who suffer the most due to a particular policy or those at the top end up being their main supporters/defenders.

i.e :  With America's middle class heading down the drain, strained social services, strained education system, an increasingly smaller amount of jobs for the poor/middle class, trillion dollar deficits, and 20 trillion dollars worth of national debt...

Who in their right mind would support rampant illegal immigrants? LMFAO, only the rich benefit from that shit via lowered median standards, lowered wages via labor arbitrage, and increased demand (price increases).. But then that person who supports millions of illegals pouring in here will lament about the rich fucking them over?

Or how people will rage about how hard they have to work to afford a house but will the first joker to fuck over their neighbor if they can participate and profit from flipping homes and speculative bubbles...

LOL dumbass, you supported the very mechanism for them to fuck you over....
:ducklol:

Ignorance...  The same ignorance that gets one to protest via a viewpoint that is the antithesis of what they claim they stand for. Most of the worlds tragedies occur due to ignorance and morons. Has jack all to due with affiliations and more to do with the individual embodying those traits.

There's seemingly another group moving right along else they get caught up in the idiocy.. But yeah.. keep believing and focusing on the side show.. ethnic group 1 vs ethnic group 2 .. conservative vs liberals.. then what? Women vs men... <- this one is going to be a riot to watch.. already is..

Morons be getting fucked, played against each other, and themselves and don't even know..


"Were going to take the beginning of this song and were gonna do it.. as you say: EASY.... but then were gonna do the finish and were gonna make it ROUGHHHHH"

All in all though, its these dynamics and interdynamics which keep the wheels of time turning and burning... Is what it is.
ROLLIN .. ROLLIN ON A RIVEERRRR


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: phio] * 1
    #23790220 - 11/01/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So, what's really funny is that people focus on affiliations instead of calling individual morons out for what they are.. I guess its a defense mechanism formed from cognitive dissonance so one doesn't discover they may in fact be a moron too.





what's funny is your inability to realise that i am talking in a general sense about what people are discussing, and that i could not suss any more out of a conversation then simply explaining how the dichotomy of the left versus the right is a farce -- but that i am stuck fiddling in the paradigm that people have created for themselves, and thus myself.

this reminds me of something else, i might clarify here, as well.
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Gender: are you grass? then you are green and thin. that's gender. gender roles = do you get cut, when you are cut, do you smell like grass?
if i can trace back through the engendered roles and traits of someone and get to a male or female bedrock of your specific traits, then your gender roles aren't so specific that you are "outside of the male-female dichotomy" -- no, it just means your an outlier in what is expected within said dichotomy, and have ascribed gender roles to certain kinds of people, whom you associate with; this does not mean you've created a new gender. sorry. this just means that now guys and girls can now do X, and not be seen as a weirdo. (and THAT is a social construct...not gender)





but that's an aside, but ties into what your saying a bit, and clarifies how you're dead-wrong about your assumptions about me.

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LOL dumbass, you supported the very mechanism for them to fuck you over....




no, i didn't, fuckwit. i am talking within the ascribed language that we can all understand.

i am socially liberal, and fiscally conservative, and i am at heart a libertarian (an individualist, in otherwords, if you dislike the term so, that you refuse to understand where i am coming from when i use it), whom doesn't ascribe in totality to the non-aggression principal nor non-borders principal, under certain circustances -- and i'm not an SJW nor a crypto-anything.

:shrug: so this just shows how much you know about me and my views. maybe you should try reading more into them then what is at face value, you'll learn alot more, in general. but yeah, you obviously have never seen me make any post on the issue of how i view the world outside of the ideological lenses of societal demarcation.

also,...you're really not gonna make yourself out to be the only non-moron here, are you? because from what you just said, i don't know how you can rationally foment that opinion; you know, since you'd just be partaking in the moronic-ways we've predestined you partake in. :shrug:


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23790226 - 11/01/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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So, what's really funny is that people focus on affiliations instead of calling individual morons out for what they are.. I guess its a defense mechanism formed from cognitive dissonance so one doesn't discover they may in fact be a moron too.





what's funny is your inability to realise that i am talking in a general sense about what people are discussing, and that i could not suss any more out of a conversation then simply explaining how the dichotomy of the left versus the right is a farce -- but that i am stuck fiddling in the paradigm that people have created for themselves, and thus myself.

this reminds me of something else, i might clarify here, as well.
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Gender: are you grass? then you are green and thin. that's gender. gender roles = do you get cut, when you are cut, do you smell like grass?
if i can trace back through the engendered roles and traits of someone and get to a male or female bedrock of your specific traits, then your gender roles aren't so specific that you are "outside of the male-female dichotomy" -- no, it just means your an outlier in what is expected within said dichotomy, and have ascribed gender roles to certain kinds of people, whom you associate with; this does not mean you've created a new gender. sorry. this just means that now guys and girls can now do X, and not be seen as a weirdo. (and THAT is a social construct...not gender)





but that's an aside, but ties into what your saying a bit, and clarifies how you're dead-wrong about your assumptions about me.

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LOL dumbass, you supported the very mechanism for them to fuck you over....




no, i didn't, fuckwit. i am talking within the ascribed language that we can all understand.

i am social liberal, and fiscally conservative, and i am at heart a libertarian, whom doesn't ascribe in totality to the non-aggression principal nor non-borders principal, under certain circustances -- and i'm not an SJW nor a crypto-anything.

:shrug: so this just shows how much you know about me and my views. maybe you should try reading more into them then what is at face value, you'll learn alot more, in general. but yeah, you obviously have never seen me make any post on the issue of how i view the world outside of the ideological lenses of societal demarcation.




Slowdown, i was speaking in general terms and the dumbass comment was in the context of someone in the middle class who was suffering who didn't see how supporting rampant illegal immigration helps the rich and hurts them or a person who participates in a speculative housing bubble that fucks over generations of their fellow man for a quick buck while the rich collect sidebets

In the future though be more clear about what you mean, you notice how i cut right to the meat which has nothing to do w/ whether or not you're a liberal/conservative and more to do with whether or not a person is a moron...

If you're not about a sideshow, don't make slanted comments. Call out the moron not a particular affiliation group.


So, calm down akira. Seems were saying somewhat of the same thing in different ways...
Some things got lost in translation on both sides.

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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23790236 - 11/01/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
also,...you're really not gonna make yourself out to be the only non-moron here, are you? because from what you just said, i don't know how you can rationally foment that opinion; you know, since you'd just be partaking in the moronic-ways we've predestined you partake in. :shrug:




Moronic actions are moronic actions. Were all guilty of them sometimes. I most definitely am. No one is perfect which is what makes for the dynamics that keep this ride going.

Continually performing said moronic actions against counter evidence though.. Makes you a moron.

You having cleared up what you meant resulted in a different reply ...
If I were a moron I would have failed to see the common thread and idiotically continued to oppose you ...
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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: phio]
    #23790239 - 11/01/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i am so calm apparently you must have thought i was having serial thoughts on bad things. but i wasn't, i swear. just supremely unimpressed with the implication that because i am pointing out other's fomenting their hatred for "the other", that i am doing what they do...i am not. i am being wholly ironic when i mention this kind of thing...the fact that it isn't obvious, is even more ironic, so it works for me...it's a sorta comedic release, i get off on it...like Vandango gets off on getting his nose rubbed into anal fissures, intestines and all.

no, if you had read my posts on "working together" and the "point of the two party system [to come to bedrock conclusions we can all agree on, to lessen in-fighting]" and pointing out various inconsistencies and hypocrisies on any/or side; then you'd know that i do not fall into party lines. i fall into one sort of category...and that's liberty and the pursuit of happiness and freedom.

the main issue with the problem that we have created is that those premises are not always mutual, and that sometimes people's beliefs can be completely exclusive.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: phio]
    #23790242 - 11/01/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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phio said:
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akira_akuma said:
also,...you're really not gonna make yourself out to be the only non-moron here, are you? because from what you just said, i don't know how you can rationally foment that opinion; you know, since you'd just be partaking in the moronic-ways we've predestined you partake in. :shrug:




Moronic actions are moronic actions. Were all guilty of them sometimes. I most definitely am. No one is perfect which is what makes for the dynamics that keep this ride going.

Continually performing said moronic actions against counter evidence though.. Makes you a moron.

You having cleared up what you meant resulted in a different reply ...
If I were a moron I would have failed to see the common thread and idiotically continued to oppose you ...
:nicesmile:




i don't call them morons (morons are just dumb), i call them idiots. here is my definition of what pattern of human behavior you describe:

"i WANTED everything to fail, i WANTED to make mistakes and be stupid and end up hurting people and causing chaos, I WANTED TO BE WRONG, THAT MAKES ME RIGHT" -- the definition of an Idiot.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23790267 - 11/01/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
i am so calm apparently you must have thought i was having serial thoughts on bad things. but i wasn't, i swear. just supremely unimpressed with the implication that because i am pointing out other's fomenting their hatred for "the other", that i am doing what they do...i am not. i am being wholly ironic when i mention this kind of thing...the fact that it isn't obvious, is even more ironic, so it works for me...it's a sorta comedic release, i get off on it...like Vandango gets off on getting his nose rubbed into anal fissures, intestines and all.

no, if you had read my posts on "working together" and the "point of the two party system [to come to bedrock conclusions we can all agree on, to lessen in-fighting]" and pointing out various inconsistencies and hypocrisies on any/or side; then you'd know that i do not fall into party lines. i fall into one sort of category...and that's liberty and the pursuit of happiness and freedom.

the main issue with the problem that we have created is that those premises are not always mutual, and that sometimes people's beliefs can be completely exclusive.




See but the issue is, in your comment that I replied to, you railed against the conservatives who blame the liberals instead those who fucked them over.

What I did was break that into the moron who can be either conservative or liberal in affiliation who fails to see who is fucking them over and rails against an affiliation. You see the slant vs calling it like it is?

You cleared this up in your follow on commentary but initially presented a slanted picture. These slanted pictures are what causes things to be the mess they are as someone will decide to present a slanted picture that opposes your slant and then were off to the races. Call a spade a spade. Society has enough side shows and theatrics. We don't need more especially from intelligent people like yourself.

Beyond the side show, we could get into a more intelligent discussion in which I could perform further dissections for you...

i.e your declared stance of being fiscal conservative and socially liberal. That sounds like a solid stance. However, social policies cost money.. Example :
> Socially : People should be able to eat as they please but then many eating habits are destructive and cause huge healthcare expenditures and the government has huge social expenditures for health.. and old age care.. conflict with being a fiscal conservative
> Socially people should be able to abort whenever they please but who foots the bill for it? So only the rich should have access to abortions? No, the government should pay..  conflict with being a fiscal conservative
> Socially, people should be allowed to run around fucking like crazy and be reckless in their personal lives with drugs and whatever else they want to do... but who fixes the social issues that result from that? How do you mend the social fabric of society that erodes from such behavior? With $$ to pay people to conduct works that offset the damage. conflict with being a fiscal conservative.

You can't maintain that everyone should be able to party socially and forget about the mess that will be left after the party is over. How are you going to convince a group of people to be the cleanup crew vs the partiers? You have to pay people.

The conflicts go on and on ... Nothing in this physical world is free.

Social liberalism costs money as random venturing into the unknown has risks and costs vs conserving time proven harmonious states. What has played out over the present years is that very truth. Do you deny this or suggest it has been conservative policies in play?

There is no free lunch.. Sadly people don't get this.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23790268 - 11/01/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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phio said:
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akira_akuma said:
also,...you're really not gonna make yourself out to be the only non-moron here, are you? because from what you just said, i don't know how you can rationally foment that opinion; you know, since you'd just be partaking in the moronic-ways we've predestined you partake in. :shrug:




Moronic actions are moronic actions. Were all guilty of them sometimes. I most definitely am. No one is perfect which is what makes for the dynamics that keep this ride going.

Continually performing said moronic actions against counter evidence though.. Makes you a moron.

You having cleared up what you meant resulted in a different reply ...
If I were a moron I would have failed to see the common thread and idiotically continued to oppose you ...
:nicesmile:




i don't call them morons (morons are just dumb), i call them idiots. here is my definition of what pattern of human behavior you describe:

"i WANTED everything to fail, i WANTED to make mistakes and be stupid and end up hurting people and causing chaos, I WANTED TO BE WRONG, THAT MAKES ME RIGHT" -- the definition of an Idiot.




Meh'... i think i get your reference and you get mine


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: phio]
    #23790320 - 11/01/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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See but the issue is, in your comment that I replied to, you railed against the conservatives who blame the liberals instead those who fucked them over.




i didn't rail. i pointed out.

and who fucked them over? themselves.

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the moron who can be either conservative or liberal in affiliation who fails to see who is fucking them over and rails against an affiliation. You see the slant vs calling it like it is?




and how do you separate the moron from the non-moron? :lolsy: see, no slant, just telling it like it is, is all.

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Call a spade a spade. Society has enough side shows and theatrics. We don't need more especially from intelligent people like yourself.




yeah, call it that. but i ain't gonna just stop having fun because people are idiots who take their shit too far. everyone has a slant, my slant is against both idiot liberals and idiot conservatives, because i see certain of those values therein, in myself, and i don't want idiots promulgating themselves under the guise of their ideology as mine own. either the ideology needs refinement, or the people need to be explained comprehension of those ideologies, or they need to be dropped. i'm a proponent for anything that'll not be construed as overbearing or violent (if i can help it. anger issues.) -- there is still no word on whether these ideologies are cut out to be as such. so i'm on the fence...just like anyone else is who doesn't have clear cut ideas; and it's always a matter of when, when the fences go back up; because the ideas do not quell the questions of society.

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Socially : People should be able to eat as they please but then many eating habits are destructive and cause huge healthcare expenditures and the government has huge social expenditures for health.. and old age care.. conflict with being a fiscal conservative




a fiscal conservative doesn't try and dictate people's life choices. i'm an individualist first and foremost.

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Socially people should be able to abort whenever they please but who foots the bill for it? So only the rich should have access to abortions? No, the government should pay..  conflict with being a fiscal conservative




again, i don't dictate people's life choices. also having babies, in general, increases the burden on society to pay for things...so what is your point?

a foregone babe is less a fiscal burden than a live one, if you want to get down to brass tax.


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Socially, people should be allowed to run around fucking like crazy and be reckless in their personal lives with drugs and whatever else they want to do... but who fixes the social issues that result from that? How do you mend the social fabric of society that erodes from such behavior? With $$ to pay people to conduct works that offset the damage. conflict with being a fiscal conservative.




um, no they shouldn't. there is no social standard in running around fucking crazy and being reckless...that's ammoral bullshit, that has no sense in a healthy society. not only does that conflict with the views that you're pointing out to, but it's also inherently against social freedoms. no one should have to deal with another persons bullshit, if it impinges on their rights.

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You can't maintain that everyone should be able to party socially and forget about the mess that will be left after the party is over. How are you going to convince a group of people to be the cleanup crew vs the partiers? You have to pay people.




if you're not expanding beyond your borders, you have to put the effort of human endeavor somewhere...so you put it in cleaning up the party.

it's just the party differs whether you're expanding into globalism and international borders, and when you are just working on the nation's hurdles.

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The conflicts go on and on ... Nothing in this physical world is free.




except paper currency is paid for via inflation. that's odd. seems free to me. only where does it come from? human endeavor, perhaps? :cookiemonster:

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Social liberalism costs money as random venturing into the unknown has risks and costs vs conserving time proven harmonious states. What has played out over the present years is that very truth. Do you deny this or suggest it has been conservative policies in play?




it'd be crude to deny that both liberal ideals and conservative ideals cost money.

liberal idealism leads me to believe that human endeavor is less cost effective than proxy oil-wars. :shrug: i think you can understand that from that point of view, i am not being fiscally conservative, but more socially mindful. less oil, more burden, and also more people to feed with freedom. that is, after all, what WW2 was fought for...right? freedom?

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Meh'... i think i get your reference and you get mine



idiots is a much more pertinent terminology, i find. but we basically ascribe the same ideal to the what is essentially the same denotation.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23790374 - 11/01/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
i didn't rail. i pointed out.




Get in the habit of pointing out both sides if they are equal (i.e : both conservatives and liberal affiliations have morons)

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and who fucked them over? themselves.




Interestingly, were all fucking each other over. Were all on the same rock breathing the same air. For Americans, were all in America swimming in the same pool. Brazil's wealthy thought they were getting over and meanwhile have ran the whole country in the ground.. then everyone jump ship to another country and instead of realizing and abandoning norms that caused the previous fuckup they proudly embrace them and carry on the cycles of ruin elsewhere...

Were all tied to same social fabric. The jackass at the top is just as much a clown as the jackass at the bottom.


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and how do you separate the moron from the non-moron? :lolsy: see, no slant, just telling it like it is, is all.

yeah, call it that. but i ain't gonna just stop having fun because people are idiots who take their shit too far.





They distinguish themselves ... you just have to have open enough eyes to see it.

Well then fire up the music and join the circus...
:ducklol:

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everyone has a slant, my slant is against both idiot liberals and idiot conservatives, because i see certain of those values therein, in myself, and i don't want idiots promulgating themselves under the guise of their ideology as mine own. either the ideology needs refinement, or the people need to be explained comprehension of those ideologies, or they need to be dropped. i'm a proponent for anything that'll not be construed as overbearing or violent (if i can help it. anger issues.) -- there is still no word on whether these ideologies are cut out to be as such. so i'm on the fence...just like anyone else is who doesn't have clear cut ideas; and it's always a matter of when, when the fences go back up; because the ideas do not quell the questions of society.




This is some solid commentary... I can get behind this :nodofunderstanding:

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a fiscal conservative doesn't try and dictate people's life choices. i'm an individualist first and foremost.




Listen man .. It's basic math and physics ..
Liberal
mid-14c., "generous," also "nobly born, noble, free;" from late 14c. as "selfless, magnanimous, admirable;" from early 15c. in a bad sense, "extravagant, unrestrained," from Old French liberal "befitting free people; noble, generous; willing, zealous" (12c.), and directly from Latin liberalis "noble, gracious, munificent, generous," literally "of freedom, pertaining to or befitting a free person," from liber "free, unrestricted, unimpeded; unbridled, unchecked, licentious."

What in this universe is 100% free? In a society, people's life choices feed back into the social fabric that everyone is connected to. I mean listen.. I hear what you're saying and I can get behind it but the ideal premise of these words that get thrown around are hogwash... Liberalism costs $$$. Name one physical process in the universe whereby liberalism doesn't consume considerable amounts of energy... You live in a physical world :nyan:

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again, i don't dictate people's life choices.




Neither do I.. but you see people want to be socially liberal and want to be free to do whatever they want to do but no one wants to face the consequences or be responsible for their actions.. That responsibility and costs most often than not gets dumped on govt. and in practice social liberalism thus costs huge amounts of money and requires huge amounts of resources... There is no free lunch. Maybe if people took a basic physics course they'd be able to understand this concept.

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also having babies, in general, increases the burden on society to pay for things...so what is your point?




And why is that the case? Because yet again govt. is expected to support people who irresponsibly and liberally go around having kids... You see quite clearly what the point is : In practice social liberalism conflicts with fiscal conservatism.

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a foregone babe is less a fiscal burden than a live one, if you want to get down to brass tax.




Because the govt. is expected to uphold the social fabric even when people recklessly conduct liberal 'free from restraint' actions... If you want to get down to the meat of the reality.

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akira_akuma said:
um, no they shouldn't. there is no social standard in running around fucking crazy and being reckless...that's ammoral bullshit, that has no sense in a healthy society.







http://nbc4i.com/2016/10/25/cdc-std-cases-reached-record-highs-in-2015/

liberal (adj.) Look up liberal at Dictionary.com
mid-14c., "generous," also "nobly born, noble, free;" from late 14c. as "selfless, magnanimous, admirable;" from early 15c. in a bad sense, "extravagant, unrestrained," from Old French liberal "befitting free people; noble, generous; willing, zealous" (12c.), and directly from Latin liberalis "noble, gracious, munificent, generous," literally "of freedom, pertaining to or befitting a free person," from liber "free, unrestricted, unimpeded; unbridled, unchecked, licentious."

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not only does that conflict with the views that you're pointing out to, but it's also inherently against social freedoms. no one should have to deal with another persons bullshit, if it impinges on their rights.





You are as free as you want to be. No one has an issue with being liberal and free ... and what you decide to do w/ your personal life. What people have a problem with are the consequences that spill out of your personal life and into the social fabric of society and before you claim that doesn't occur please don't. All laws of the known universe prove otherwise.

So, lets cut the bullshit and stop with the misdirection which proposes that people are trying to restrict people's freedoms. They're trying to conserve the harmonious social fabric that keeps a healthy society.. A lot of people have just become so dumb, divided, and self absorbed that they feel their actions don't have any consequences beyond themselves... That's not how this universe works and is completely against harmony.
So, you can't have your cake and eat it to ..

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if you're not expanding beyond your borders, you have to put the effort of human endeavor somewhere...so you put it in cleaning up the party.




Yeah but who cleans up the party? Who decides who gets to party and be liberal and free and who is a part of the clean up crew? You see .. There is no such thing as being 100% FREE in a society .. No, you can't go and party and be a clown ass and expect someone to clean it up (Government) for free..

So, quite clearly.. partying and being liberal costs money.. Big time.

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it's just the party differs whether you're expanding into globalism and international borders, and when you are just working on the nation's hurdles.




I'm talking about socially liberal policies....

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except paper currency is paid for via inflation. that's odd. seems free to me. only where does it come from? human endeavor, perhaps? :cookiemonster:




It's not paid via inflation. The costs are transferred to all paper holders via inflation. You see.. Back to the physics lesson : "energy cannot be created or destroyed only changed in form". There is no free lunch.


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it'd be crude to deny that both liberal ideals and conservative ideals cost money.

liberal idealism leads me to believe that human endeavor is less cost effective than proxy oil-wars.





It would be crude to assume they have similar costs...

But there goes that slant again ... Conservation is not greed. Proxy oil wars are due to greed and are initiated by being too liberal with one's home grown resources and economy.

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:shrug: i think you can understand that from that point of view, i am not being fiscally conservative, but more socially mindful. less oil, more burden, and also more people to feed with freedom. that is, after all, what WW2 was fought for...right? freedom?




Mankind has yet to truly discover what the hell freedom really means and what are the consequences of it. But yet again, were back to a word held under liberalism : Freedom.

liberal (adj.) Look up liberal at Dictionary.com
mid-14c., "generous," also "nobly born, noble, free;" from late 14c. as "selfless, magnanimous, admirable;" from early 15c. in a bad sense, "extravagant, unrestrained," from Old French liberal "befitting free people; noble, generous; willing, zealous" (12c.), and directly from Latin liberalis "noble, gracious, munificent, generous," literally "of freedom,

So what in the world does this have to due with conserving? 'Generously' Spreading freedom around the world sounds liberal as hell to me... You see the layers of deep seated confusion that exists? People think spreading 'freedom' around the world is a conservative practice...


Reality is a lot more complicated than ideals ... You have to grow the fuck up and take responsibility as you become an adult. There is no lifelong party .. Which is why after slamming into walls while being young liberal and reckless, people tend to become conservative with age as they have learned what is value and worth conserving and what is not. However, with those major transitions that occur in social cycles, the baby gets thrown out with the bath water. So, the cycle just keeps on going and going.

So, fuck it meng.. it is what it is and I'm not even mad about it as I can see why it is that way...
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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: phio]
    #23790395 - 11/01/16 04:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Get in the habit of pointing out both sides if they are equal (i.e : both conservatives and liberal affiliations have morons)




again, you have not seen my posts where i've literally done just that.

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They distinguish themselves ... you just have to have open enough eyes to see it.




people have not distinguished themselves, at all, as having all the answers.

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What in this universe is 100% free? In a society, people's life choices feed back into the social fabric that everyone is connected to. I mean listen.. I hear what you're saying and I can get behind it but the ideal premise of these words that get thrown around are hogwash... Liberalism costs $$$. Name one physical process in the universe whereby liberalism doesn't consume considerable amounts of energy... You live in a physical world




why do you consistently want to rail against liberalism when freedom is the meal ticket to a happy life?  you make trade...that's how you avoid the issue of costs. trade.

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Neither do I.. but you see people want to be socially liberal and want to be free to do whatever they want to do but no one wants to face the consequences or be responsible for their actions.. That responsibility and costs most often than not gets dumped on govt. and in practice social liberalism thus costs huge amounts of money and requires huge amounts of resources... There is no free lunch. Maybe if people took a basic physics course they'd be able to understand this concept.




you can read the first chapter of Republic and gather just the same, no physics course required. but just because you're not socially liberal, doesn't mean you are not prone to taking more than you can put back to restore -- unless you want to reverse your "were all tied to same social fabric" argument. :shrug:

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And why is that the case? Because yet again govt. is expected to support people who irresponsibly and liberally go around having kids... You see quite clearly what the point is : In practice social liberalism conflicts with fiscal conservatism.




no it doesn't. people are expected to provide for their children, we'd be extinct or severely limited otherwise, as a species; regardless of any kind of fiscal conservatism, or otherwise. want do you want to impose a one child law, like China? i don't think people should go around having kids at a "liberal rate" (which you've completely misconstrued the "liberalism" we were talking about original, here; now we're talking in terms of measurement, but whatever), and that's not un-liberal of me to think so, either.

you have babies, someone has got to help to support them, if the government doesn't, then someone will -- if you have a surplus of an uncared for population, your rates for healthcare will go up, and the work force will suffer (among other things). any amount of birth rate increases the fiscal burden, that's just a fact. it's also a fact that doing nothing about it in way of government support makes the fact worse by default. not better. period.

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Because the govt. is expected to uphold the social fabric even when people recklessly conduct liberal 'free from restraint' actions... If you want to get down to the meat of the reality.




no. not because of that. more people equals more resources for human endeavor, but less resources to feed everyone. see the trade off? the government is not just expected to uphold a social fabric, but it's there to also uphold an economic power, which people's trade (and thus people's population) wouldn't be able to support, without financial support. you can blame all of the world problems on overpopulation, and the blame would be going to an accurate source (blame within reason, that is); you could do so, because that is the root of all the problems you're discussing.

and also, the people govern themselves; i don't know when Americans forgot the premise, but it's a righteous and true one. the people govern themselves.

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What people have a problem with are the consequences that spill out of your personal life and into the social fabric of society and before you claim that doesn't occur please don't.




you're espousing an extremely narrow bandwidth of what constitutes "personal life spillage", attributing it to only those whom are "liberals". you constantly continue to assert that liberals are defined as such: "born-free", "libertine", ect. that isn't liberalism. what you're doing is an attempt at establishing an etymology of the word "liberal". liberal-ism (as per the definition of the political ideal) is about liberty and freedom...not freeness and liberalness. you're conflating the lot into one another.

everyone, as per your own argument ("Were all tied to same social fabric") contributes to their own "spillage". :shrug: i'm sure you'll be meet in your retort, and we can discuss this further; but let's not just place the blame on liberals, when you clearly know that that's not the case that they are solely responsible. or at least, i think you do. you did say it yourself, "Were all tied to same social fabric".

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So, lets cut the bullshit and stop with the misdirection which proposes that people are trying to restrict people's freedoms. They're trying to conserve the harmonious social fabric that keeps a healthy society..




you cut the bullshit. i mean, who said that "people are trying to restrict people's freedoms?" who is saying anything elsewise that people are trying to conserve the harmonious social fabric? of course they are. but of course the fact is liberals have a part in that process, and conservatives are still, in fact, not the only ones that conserve the social fabric, considering "Were all tied to same social fabric", and you all create our own "personal spillage". unless you want to say that, literally, conservatives create no spillage. which is absurd. they can't not eat. unless there is some secret spell that conservatives have.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23790396 - 11/01/16 04:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah but who cleans up the party? Who decides who gets to party and be liberal and free and who is a part of the clean up crew?




the liberals didn't create the party in Iraq...nor the robber barons; ie the liberals don't always make the mess (i really don't want to have to give a history lesson here, so this'll suffice). the people who clean up are the people whom party...the same people as one another in a nation, a nation which either takes responsibility or it doesn't.

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So, quite clearly.. partying and being liberal costs money.. Big time.




both conservatives and liberals party. :shrug: both create "spillage". i see more conservative sports attendees, and war-mongers...so i presume that, literally, they have alot of "cleaning to do" themselves, according to your internal logic.

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I'm talking about socially liberal policies....




and i'm talking about "spillage".

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It's not paid via inflation. The costs are transferred to all paper holders via inflation. You see.. Back to the physics lesson : "energy cannot be created or destroyed only changed in form". There is no free lunch.




the vernacular is the same. you've made no argument. by "paid via inflation" i mean "the cost to the people is inflation", ie the loss of value in currency is unavoidable so thus inflation is the cost (the invisible cost) that projects the value into the hands of the people, eg, the "cost transferred to all paper holders" is invisible, and non-existent. there goes your "nothing is free" argument.

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It would be crude to assume they have similar costs...

But there goes that slant again ... Conservation is not greed. Proxy oil wars are due to greed and are initiated by being too liberal with one's home grown resources and economy.




and i never said "conservatism is greed", i never said it was anything, but i said i was conservative in my views. :shrug: i never had to say it was greed...i only pointed out that the conservative party (and thus it's constituents) are being as "liberal" (your definition) as every liberal they tend to dislike. same goes in the reverse.

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Mankind has yet to truly discover what the hell freedom really means and what are the consequences of it. But yet again, were back to a word held under liberalism : Freedom.




i think we have. under natural law we've always been free. touch me and you may go down. you wanna play, you might fall. simple stuff. no one need to attribute liberalism to the throes of freedom's wane, when it can be attributed to humankind, in general. liberalism helps ease suffering when implemented correctly, as can conservatism. it's why i'm a proponent of both, when it comes down to it.

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So what in the world does this have to due with conserving? 'Generously' Spreading freedom around the world sounds liberal as hell to me... You see the layers of deep seated confusion that exists? People think spreading 'freedom' around the world is a conservative practice...




so far it's been a republican practice with conservative support...and now with Hillary, liberal support...but none of the activities of the parties speaks any volume for the true nature of any of these political activities.

the parties all act the same, with the same goals in mind, just different tactics.

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Reality is a lot more complicated than ideals ... You have to grow the fuck up and take responsibility as you become an adult. There is no lifelong party .. Which is why after slamming into walls while being young liberal and reckless, people tend to become conservative with age as they have learned what is value and worth conserving and what is not.




over simplification. conservative people tend to (again, i repeat) be more apt to partake in sporting events, for example...but that's just one simple one. they also tend to throw some major "parties" as well. lots of drinking, lots of drugs, alot of recklessness. :shrug: so what the fuck is your point again?

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However, with those major transitions that occur in social cycles, the baby gets thrown out with the bath water. So, the cycle just keeps on going and going




yeah, and we can agree on that -- but what are you going to do about it? insist things are screwed up? that's human nature, and it's appeal is weakening on a daily basis. gotta step up your game.


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Re: Liberal students at UC Berkley demand a return to segregation [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23790993 - 11/01/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you for your well thought out replies Akira. I read them all and I hear what you're saying. All and all, it was a good exchange.

I think the overall point is clear ... In practice, the ideals of Conservatism and liberalism are a wash... You can note conservatives committing liberal acts and liberals commit conservative acts. No one is one or the other... Rather a conditional mess of the two. That being said, all practices/actions are not equal.

I drew attention to the etymology of the word because it is the root and the branches and leaves : Liberalism/conservatism are far from the roots in that they stretch out into the clouds of idealism which have little to do with the practiced form of the concepts.

You're right.. All things 'cost'. All actions consume energy and resources.
Which gets to more generic points :
> Being aware of cause/effect
> Being aware of pros/cons
> Being aware of the consequences of a particular action that extend beyond oneself
> Being able to think critically and understand what you're aware of
> Being considerate, understanding, and compassionate of others...

None of these have anything to do w/ being liberal/conservative and have more to do with being a harmonious human being. However, once you start breaking off into groups and opposing one another, these concepts get lost. The harmony is broken.

However, these divisions result in the system dynamics that keep the cycles and wheels spinning..... So, it is what it is : Human nature? It would appear as though its appeal is ever present. As for 'the game', it gets stepped up on its own with time.... That's a constant
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