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Re: I'm going into the Air Force [Re: Lophosaurus]
#23785137 - 10/30/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks Patrick! Loph and Malcolm i appreciate the input.
Im going head first into this. It wont eat me alive
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Re: I'm going into the Air Force [Re: ModestMouse]
#23785164 - 10/30/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good Luck then!!! I hope you get whatever you're looking for.
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Re: I'm going into the Air Force [Re: Lophosaurus] 1
#23787401 - 10/31/16 01:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lophosaurus said: Do something to make the world a better place instead
I see the idealism in your words, being an idealist myself, but unfortunately jobs that help 'make the world a better place' are few and far between, and those that there are are not that stable in availability or pay. If MM wants something solid, that he can depend upon should he decide he wants to follow through with it, then the direction he's heading is probably a good one.
I would never join the military either, as it goes against everything I stand for, but I never imagined I'd end up working for the banks either, who also go against everything I stand for, and are very likely even more evil than the military. But I got drawn in by the huge wages they pay, even for someone with a strictly IT background like MM and myself. The only difference between the financial and military sectors, on the IT side, is that the military would likely not replace you with cheap, offshore Indian labour and give you fuck all for for the 9 years you've dedicated to them, which is exactly what they'd be doing to me soon had I not made the choice to fuck off first.
So yeah, if you feel like it's the right thing for you MM, I wish you all the best with it man. I think Dark_Star has sound advice, but I understand if you can't spare a year. Time is prescious.
As an aside, I'm friends with an ex paratrooper and have know a few others that served, although many years ago. It sounds like hard work, but he talks about his time served with reverence and respect. I for one would never be able to deal with orders and rank and doing things in a regimented manner, but as long as you think you can hack that without kicking back against it and getting yourself in the shit all the time (one of my mates spent a whole bunch of his time enlisted in military jail, but he still says it was the best thing for him at that time in his life), then you'll be good mate. I think there's little doubt you would come out of it a much wiser and more experienced human.
Here's to changing shit up FTW!
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Ah, I worked part time for a bank doing IT work, and I can say with certainty that they are just as evil as the military 
I don't have an ego so the pecking order shit really won't bother me... Though I see how many would not be ok with it whatsoever. Regarding the ethics, i'm still hazy on it all but I do know that ive always believed a willingness to change ones opinion is important and not a bad thing.
I need the structure, I am willing to sacrafice civilian life for strong self improvement
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I see the idealism in your words, being an idealist myself, but unfortunately jobs that help 'make the world a better place' are few and far between,
That's far from true, any job which contributes to society without some resounding negative drawback is making the world a better place. The department of agriculture is pretty large and the US would be a wasteland without it.
Hate to say it but working with the banks isn't one of those jobs
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Re: I'm going into the Air Force [Re: Repertoire89]
#23787430 - 10/31/16 01:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmmm. I guess we'd have to definite what would make a job one which is helping make the world a better place. Aside of charities and non-profits, I can't think of any.
I mean, if there's a rich bloke at the top of the organisation getting paid loads, I can't see how it could be something which makes the world a better place. I don't count agriculture as such (even though I'm going into it), unless it's some business with a massive drive on sustainability and low environmental impact. AFAIK, not many agricultural businesses focus on this.
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Re: I'm going into the Air Force [Re: ModestMouse] 1
#23787439 - 10/31/16 01:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ive heard a lot of people say they wanna go into the military before.
ive seen a lot less actually do it.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Hmmm. I guess we'd have to definite what would make a job one which is helping make the world a better place. Aside of charities and non-profits, I can't think of any.
I mean, if there's a rich bloke at the top of the organisation getting paid loads, I can't see how it could be something which makes the world a better place. I don't count agriculture as such (even though I'm going into it), unless it's some business with a massive drive on sustainability and low environmental impact. AFAIK, not many agricultural businesses focus on this.
Working for the Devil is making you jaded 
I'm more suspicious of charities and non-profits which often turn up to be serving some questionable political end, raking in profits under the table, or operating in such a manner that their contribution is questionable. Doctors, firefighters, engineers and the people keeping everyone fed are another story, their contributions tend to be obvious.
Your impact is a personal decision in any case, corruption runs rampant everywhere, even in the department of agriculture there are people who serve the public interests and people who get in the way.
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Re: I'm going into the Air Force [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#23788075 - 10/31/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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0.4% of Americans Serve in some capacity. 1 in 200. I'd say there are more Shroomerites in the military than let on. There is a lot of talk about joining from people who never will though. Also, a lot of "oh, you're in the military? I was going to,serve, but... (insert gimicky excuse here)".
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I agree conn but i want this badly
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Re: I'm going into the Air Force [Re: ModestMouse]
#23788241 - 10/31/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So what kind of fighter planes will you be flying?
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Lophosaurus said: Do something to make the world a better place instead
I see the idealism in your words, being an idealist myself, but unfortunately jobs that help 'make the world a better place' are few and far between, and those that there are are not that stable in availability or pay. If MM wants something solid, that he can depend upon should he decide he wants to follow through with it, then the direction he's heading is probably a good one.
They aren't few and far between. I'll name some random ones as they pop into my head
Builder Electrician Doctor X-ray tech Delivery Driver City planner Accountant Some Lawyers are ok Landscaper Daycare provider Trucker Engineer Programmer
They all pay well and are in high demand. Military propaganda makes people want to join. They don't show the PSTD soldiers, rape, or the innocent families being killed on the TV commercials. We kill them, then they get revenge, then we get revenge, then they get revenge, and when does it stop? If he wants to kill and destroy families, then yeah it is a good choice. Its not the only work available. If he wants a solid job he can do any of the jobs I listed.
If it seems like I'm looking for an argument, I'm not. Just sharing my view. As a whole I think humans are past the point of no return anyways. The world is chaotic with or without the army so I don't really care if people join. I always share my view on this topic because it is unpopular and I think a lot of people join without really thinking about what they are getting into so I like to think I might be helping them stay out somehow.
If I were to join, I would try to get on the team that tests new weapons and tech. Is there a better army gig than that.
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Re: I'm going into the Air Force [Re: ModestMouse]
#23789959 - 10/31/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah man I was in JROTC in high school and was seriously considering joining the military or police force. The biggest reason I didn't go into the military is because of the time I spent in the psych ward. My life would be very different if I had went. I would be very different. I don't regret not going. I regret what I did instead. And I regret our country not having better foreign policy.
But I was most interested in joining the Air Force if not the Army. Air Force has alot of really unique really sweet jobs. Pilots aren't the only ones that get to have fun.
You gotta be careful though. Chances are you'll end up working with really big machines. I know a dude that was in the USAF that had an elevator fall on him while he was cleaning out the shaft lift thing (I have no idea what it was but he was under the elevator on the ground floor) and thankfully the safety mechanism on it kept it from completely crushing him but he's still kinda fucked up for life. He's not the only one I know to be seriously injured doing normal jobs in the military.
So yeah. Stay focused and keep safe while you're out there. Granted that will be a while. You're going to be doing months of training and ass kicking first.
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Re: I'm going into the Air Force [Re: Lophosaurus]
#23789974 - 10/31/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well the thing about all those jobs you listed is you can't just go and enlist into the corps of doctors or lawyers.
He's considering the option because he feels he doesn't have much else going for him. And you know not everything the military does involves killing or war. I've known plenty of people to join the military and really turn their life around (particularly when they have a history with drugs.) It isn't an easy job and it changes you but you don't HAVE to go into combat. Especially in the Air Force. Very few USAF soldiers ever go into combat. Either directly or remotely. Most jobs in the USAF revolve around maintaining equipment and maintaining people.
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Re: I'm going into the Air Force [Re: Lophosaurus]
#23789980 - 10/31/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lophosaurus said:
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Jokeshopbeard said:
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Lophosaurus said: Do something to make the world a better place instead
I see the idealism in your words, being an idealist myself, but unfortunately jobs that help 'make the world a better place' are few and far between, and those that there are are not that stable in availability or pay. If MM wants something solid, that he can depend upon should he decide he wants to follow through with it, then the direction he's heading is probably a good one.
They aren't few and far between. I'll name some random ones as they pop into my head
Builder Electrician Doctor X-ray tech Delivery Driver City planner Accountant Some Lawyers are ok Landscaper Daycare provider Trucker Engineer Programmer
They all pay well and are in high demand. Military propaganda makes people want to join. They don't show the PSTD soldiers, rape, or the innocent families being killed on the TV commercials. We kill them, then they get revenge, then we get revenge, then they get revenge, and when does it stop? If he wants to kill and destroy families, then yeah it is a good choice. Its not the only work available. If he wants a solid job he can do any of the jobs I listed.
If it seems like I'm looking for an argument, I'm not. Just sharing my view. As a whole I think humans are past the point of no return anyways. The world is chaotic with or without the army so I don't really care if people join. I always share my view on this topic because it is unpopular and I think a lot of people join without really thinking about what they are getting into so I like to think I might be helping them stay out somehow.
If I were to join, I would try to get on the team that tests new weapons and tech. Is there a better army gig than that.
The hippie wants to test the new weapons to kill people.
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greencrush420 said: There is a lot of talk about joining from people who never will though. Also, a lot of "oh, you're in the military? I was going to,serve, but... (insert gimicky excuse here)".
It's something every American considers at some point during their youth because it's extensively promoted to them. Then reality hits and they reconsider their options. Military service is great for some people but others would be more happy elsewhere. Not to mention this administration's instruction to draw down personnel. Trying to get a waiver for medical conditions is almost impossible whereas ten years ago it would have been easy.
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Re: I'm going into the Air Force [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23790044 - 10/31/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Well the thing about all those jobs you listed is you can't just go and enlist into the corps of doctors or lawyers.
He's considering the option because he feels he doesn't have much else going for him. And you know not everything the military does involves killing or war. I've known plenty of people to join the military and really turn their life around (particularly when they have a history with drugs.) It isn't an easy job and it changes you but you don't HAVE to go into combat. Especially in the Air Force. Very few USAF soldiers ever go into combat. Either directly or remotely. Most jobs in the USAF revolve around maintaining equipment and maintaining people.
You CAN just sign up for some of those jobs. Some require minimal schooling and some a lot of school. All easily attainable. How else would people get these jobs? That comment was directed towards Jokeshop anyways, not MM. MM sounds like he already made up his mind to join.
I know that everyone who enlists doesn't actually pull the trigger. They work as a team to do it, so it is just as bad in my eyes.
Wow, California, I can't believe how clever that comment is. I wouldn't join, but if I had to, then yeah that would be a cool job. Modestmouse should go for that job or something that teaches him a skill that he could use in the civilian world.
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Re: I'm going into the Air Force [Re: Great Scott]
#23790058 - 10/31/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lophosaurus said: Joining the military is a horrible idea. The world doesn't need more war. Do something to make the world a better place instead of killing people for resources and religious beliefs
Shut up, hippy.

telling him to shut up, because he's a pacifist is so not shroomy.
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Re: I'm going into the Air Force [Re: Lophosaurus]
#23790063 - 10/31/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Well the thing about all those jobs you listed is you can't just go and enlist into the corps of doctors or lawyers.
He's considering the option because he feels he doesn't have much else going for him. And you know not everything the military does involves killing or war. I've known plenty of people to join the military and really turn their life around (particularly when they have a history with drugs.) It isn't an easy job and it changes you but you don't HAVE to go into combat. Especially in the Air Force. Very few USAF soldiers ever go into combat. Either directly or remotely. Most jobs in the USAF revolve around maintaining equipment and maintaining people.
You CAN just sign up for some of those jobs. Some require minimal schooling and some a lot of school. All easily attainable. How else would people get these jobs? That comment was directed towards Jokeshop anyways, not MM. MM sounds like he already made up his mind to join.
I know that everyone who enlists doesn't actually pull the trigger. They work as a team to do it, so it is just as bad in my eyes.
Wow, California, I can't believe how clever that comment is. I wouldn't join, but if I had to, then yeah that would be a cool job. Modestmouse should go for that job or something that teaches him a skill that he could use in the civilian world.
Well, killer, if you would join, what job would you sign up for.
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Re: I'm going into the Air Force [Re: California]
#23790075 - 10/31/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you on drugs? I just said it two times. I would be the guys who tests new weapons and technology.
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