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mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! * 35
    #23782274 - 10/29/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i wanted to post this because i hate drying talk. its nuts.
i truly believe in this hobby you NEED three(3) non-negotiable standards.

1.vessel for the myc to grow in(jars/bags)
2.PC(or steamer) to make clean grains
3.DEHYDRATOR!!!!!!!


for most noobs you have a solid 3-4 weeks for pf. please save a few bucks
and pick up a dehydrator. BUT! just like everything else you need to use
it correctly. I took these pics a few weeks ago and forgot until i came
across more drying talk..

these are examples. my dehydrator has one setting. ON
all three mushrooms were from the same flush.
they were taken off the dehydrator at different times and put in zip locks separately.

the bag of shrooms is for show :wink:

cracker dry is when the stems break easily. snapping like a ..cracker.


A.)dried until 'cracker dry' for 12 hours. the stems snapped.
  after 1 week in a bag and this happened.

no good. its all bendy and will be all chewy and stale.:thumbdown::thumbdown:

B.) dried for 18 hours.
    after 1 week in a bag..

the stem made a snap sound but still bent. like a twig.:thumbdown:

C.) dried for 24hrs.
    after 1 week in a bag..

snapped with no effort. in fact i snapped it by accident taking the pic somehow.:thumbup:

dried out in 30hrs

It seems some people either dont think about, or straight up dont care about drying their hard grown fungi.
It is such a critical part of the process. its like crossing the finish line at the end of the race.
PLEASE visit goodwill stores or craigslist or whatever you have. in the time your substrate colonizes you
should be able to gather some cash and get one. BRAND NEW will run about $30 usd.


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #23782279 - 10/29/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mrmazdarx9] * 1
    #23782336 - 10/29/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23782496 - 10/29/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Just picked up a used Nesco at goodwill for 5.99. Was pretty pumped to get a back up for such a fair price.

But yeah, essential tool for us, for sure. Without out it your end result will be worth nothing a few weeks after you harvest. And idk about any of you but I can't finish the first flush of a mono tub by myself in just a few weeks :smirk:


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23782530 - 10/29/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You could even build your own. I've seen one guy use a space heater, box fan and he built a rack from plywood and 2x4s and window screens. Of course you'd only need to do that if you had some serious weight... I'm in love with my Presto 06301.


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: cr1s1s]
    #23823048 - 11/11/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Great fucking post...


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: cronicr] * 2
    #24058456 - 02/01/17 08:09 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

:bumpthread:

because of the influx in noob drying nonsense.


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #24058478 - 02/01/17 08:14 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Sad that this thread has to exist. Will add to reference list and link to scrubs in the future. Good write. :thumbup:


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Lobi] * 1
    #24058480 - 02/01/17 08:16 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Lobi]
    #24058502 - 02/01/17 08:23 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

lol I really enjoy your posts mushboy...it really does get irritating going over multiple posts on newbs asking the same question over and over. There is outdated info but for the most part all these questions could be answered with a simple search.


This thread should be stickied :thumbup:


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy] * 2
    #24058539 - 02/01/17 08:32 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

No fucking way. Just what I needed. I could never figure out how to dry my fruits.:trekfacepalm:


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Ziran] * 1
    #24058568 - 02/01/17 08:38 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I can only imagine how rr felt typin the same shit thousands of times for all those years , either people r gettin stupider or drying things is getting harder, hmmm...


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Ziran] * 2
    #24058573 - 02/01/17 08:38 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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No fucking way. Just what I needed. I could never figure out how to dry my fruits.:trekfacepalm:



lol

If you weren't one of the many new members asking over and over how to dry their fruits then this thread is not for you...so why you waste your time making asinine posts is beyond me.


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: cronicr] * 3
    #24058601 - 02/01/17 08:44 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Pastywhyte] * 4
    #24058945 - 02/01/17 10:55 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Spot on bro!
Although I'm a little disappointed that you weren't litterally comparing your dried fruits to crumbled crackers like I originally expected upon clicking :lol:


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Ziran]
    #24058969 - 02/01/17 11:06 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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Spot on bro!
Although I'm a little disappointed that you weren't litterally comparing your dried fruits to crumbled crackers like I originally expected upon clicking :lol:




....OP will be updated.


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No fucking way. Just what I needed. I could never figure out how to dry my fruits.:trekfacepalm:




no shit. drying is the worse face palm. cause you have the end product/ youve won. you are done.. check please.. and you ruin them :frown:


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: ComebackKid] * 2
    #24058984 - 02/01/17 11:11 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Honestly didn't know this.. just do cracker dry n throw some silica in the bag. :shrug:

Didn't realize you need the full 24 :doublefacepalm:

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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #24058990 - 02/01/17 11:13 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: van hatton] * 1
    #24058992 - 02/01/17 11:14 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

i should update more details. also how it is during the winter. its really dry here now. might affect things.

it gets really humid in my room where i store drugs during the summer. need to fix that :mad2:


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #24058995 - 02/01/17 11:14 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

How do you feel about 36 hrs?


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy] * 2
    #24059000 - 02/01/17 11:16 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

i did for that big fucker.

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dried out in 30hrs






i ate that guy 3months later. it turned to dust in my mouth. like eating gluten free crackers.
trip was really heavy. more then i wanted at the time. dry was like 3.4 it was close to a mckenna does in effects and body high.:awetongue:


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #24059006 - 02/01/17 11:18 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

My place is around 40-60β„…

Those little silica packets help :thumbup:


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: van hatton]
    #24059025 - 02/01/17 11:28 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

It has nothing to do with duration but being cracker dry... 20 hours. 50 hours. 10 hours.. whatever gets it 100% dry. I think this was well expressed in OP when stated fruits were taken out at different times. Their is no magic number just dehydrate them. Lol.
Better to over do it than under. Won't see potency loss in slight variation of dry time.


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Lobi] * 1
    #24059031 - 02/01/17 11:31 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

true.

if my dehydrator is jammed packed. like overflowing, you best believe its drying for 24hrs.
a few gram flush from a sunflower seed cake? maybe 8hr..overnight.

use common sense.

thanks for talking about this thread. maybe people thought it was a joke when i wrote it. although i was really, really drunk.


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #24059085 - 02/01/17 11:59 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

24 hours?

You make me question my 12hr 4x wrapped QP of Koh Samui :/

Got a silica pack in the bag,,, they still feel crispy. Idk. Hope they're fine.


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Moabfighter]
    #24113751 - 02/23/17 03:13 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not disagreeing with op....I use a Nesco with multi-temp settings...I've been drying at lowest setting 93f...because when I first got into fungi everybody said temps over 100f would kill potency....has that been disregarded.? Can I crank my temp up a little and not damage fruit?


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    #24113754 - 02/23/17 03:16 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Taz58] * 1
    #24113797 - 02/23/17 03:43 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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because when I first got into fungi everybody said temps over 100f would kill potency....has that been disregarded.? Can I crank my temp up a little and not damage fruit?





no damage to the fruit body. it will shrink/react like a dried veggie. slight color darkening. thats about it.

the 'heat damages potency' is old tall tale. anyone who wants to argue i beg, no, i PLEAD for you to
come visit me and eat this 10g bag of 5month old 185f dried for 24hr mushrooms. by those people own
convictions they should have no issues munching down some poorly dried, bitter, or no bunk shrooms.

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Quote:

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because when I first got into fungi everybody said temps over 100f would kill potency....has that been disregarded.? Can I crank my temp up a little and not damage fruit?





no damage to the fruit body. it will shrink/react like a dried veggie. slight color darkening. thats about it.

the 'heat damages potency' is old tall tale. anyone who wants to argue i beg, no, i PLEAD for you to
come visit me and eat this 10g bag of 5month old 185f dried for 24hr mushrooms. by those people own
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enjoy.





Very good, thanks I'll crank it up a notch on full loads...


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    #24113964 - 02/23/17 04:57 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the pics of the 12, 18 and 24 hour drying 'bends'  very nice, very science!


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    #24113996 - 02/23/17 05:13 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

That's very interesting that your shrooms absorbed moisture at different rates based on drying times, the control being the ziploc bag.  I don't know what to make of that cause I thought that the drier something was (in open air) the faster it would absorb moisture.  Kind of like heat. 

Just to note, if you vacuum seal the shrooms or use mason jars (I prefer the former) they'll stay cracker dry forever


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    #24114031 - 02/23/17 05:23 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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That's very interesting that your shrooms absorbed moisture at different rates based on drying times, the control being the ziploc bag.  I don't know what to make of that cause I thought that the drier something was (in open air) the faster it would absorb moisture.  Kind of like heat. 

Just to note, if you vacuum seal the shrooms or use mason jars (I prefer the former) they'll stay cracker dry forever




i was surprised they were so bendy after a week. i also thought the 18hr one would be more bendy but it
wasnt.

and of course about the vacuum sealing. but sometimes my mushrooms are given as gifts and friends keep
them for awhile and might not be as careful as i would be in terms of long term storage.
and i dont have spare mason jars to store fruits in. id also need a shitload of storage jars:thumbdown:

honestly i need to redo this write up. i was extremely intoxicated when i made it. id like to do it
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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #24114137 - 02/23/17 05:59 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Go for it.  Not too bad, I just hate ziplocs


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    #24115039 - 02/24/17 12:33 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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That's very interesting that your shrooms absorbed moisture at different rates based on drying times, the control being the ziploc bag.  I don't know what to make of that cause I thought that the drier something was (in open air) the faster it would absorb moisture.  Kind of like heat. 

Just to note, if you vacuum seal the shrooms or use mason jars (I prefer the former) they'll stay cracker dry forever




i was surprised they were so bendy after a week. i also thought the 18hr one would be more bendy but it
wasnt.

and of course about the vacuum sealing. but sometimes my mushrooms are given as gifts and friends keep
them for awhile and might not be as careful as i would be in terms of long term storage.
and i dont have spare mason jars to store fruits in. id also need a shitload of storage jars:thumbdown:

honestly i need to redo this write up. i was extremely intoxicated when i made it. id like to do it
again. with meatier/larger fruits using different dehydrators. i had too many variables in the original post.




Mylar bags from amazon are vacuum sealable and don't permeate air like plastic does....just an option




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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #24116016 - 02/24/17 12:00 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I've used a dehydrator since the beginning. Totally essential. I have a 6 tray cheapo one from Wal-Mart but I'm looking to upgrade to something more substantial in my next grow. Definitely an invest worth making especially with bulk. But great post either way!

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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24116018 - 02/24/17 12:02 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Dry at 160+




I've read 130 is ideal? If not is there a temp you should never go over?


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Drshroomy88]
    #24116035 - 02/24/17 12:09 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

where did you hear that?
also look at this pic posted numerous times...


dry them hot and fast. 130 would slow down the drying. compared to 160+.


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #24118182 - 02/25/17 08:21 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I fan dry for 12 hours and then put them in a desiccant chamber till they are cracker dry. Then for long term I put them in a mason jar with a small desiccant pouch. I know this works great for at least a year. Probably longer but I ate them all!


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: berlinmyc]
    #24118187 - 02/25/17 08:23 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Fan drying for 12 hours is not going to cut it.

Glad you had your stated result ...so you say.. But.... 12hrs?? Come on..
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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #24118223 - 02/25/17 08:41 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

i've never used a dehydrator. i've always bee able to achieve cracker dry with 2 or 3 days of drying on a screen/drying rack with a fan aimed at it then 24-48 hours sealed in a bucket with a bunch of damp rid to suck out the very last bit of moisture. it takes a long time but i've never been in a rush to get them dry and i was always worried about heat effecting potency.


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #24118231 - 02/25/17 08:49 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Fan drying for 12 hours is not going to cut it.

Glad you had your stated result ...so you say.. But.... 12hrs?? Come on..
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Yea 12 hours is not enough but like I said I put them in a desiccant chamber for much longer. I figure the less time exposed to air the better.


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: berlinmyc]
    #24118241 - 02/25/17 08:54 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Less time exposure while wet. So use the food dehydrator to get to 100% dry


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24118301 - 02/25/17 09:10 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

So are you saying the actives will only degrade while wet? because I was under the impression that it was exposure to air that caused this.


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: berlinmyc]
    #24118315 - 02/25/17 09:15 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

No, oxidation kills actives. It happens as an aqueous reaction and it's electron transfer not exposure to O2 so much


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24118331 - 02/25/17 09:18 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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No, oxidation kills actives. It happens as an aqueous reaction and it's electron transfer not exposure to O2 so much




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    #24118401 - 02/25/17 09:34 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: berlinmyc]
    #24118435 - 02/25/17 09:47 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #24118448 - 02/25/17 09:51 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

So what confuses me is that the shrooms are wet the entire time they are growing but when you pick them they magically start degrading.  Is the oxidation also happening during growth but is offset by the fact that the shrooms are still producing actives while they are connected to the network?


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Kenetic]
    #24118462 - 02/25/17 09:58 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

once you pick them they are shut off from the myc network. it no longer receives nutes
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    #24118474 - 02/25/17 10:04 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah come to think of it I pretty much answered my own question


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    #24118518 - 02/25/17 10:34 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

:lol: :highfive:


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    #24118525 - 02/25/17 10:39 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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    #24118697 - 02/25/17 12:09 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Add salt if you really need to rust your way out of prison or something.


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    #24118741 - 02/25/17 12:35 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #24119405 - 02/25/17 06:01 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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i've never used a dehydrator. i've always bee able to achieve cracker dry with 2 or 3 days of drying on a screen/drying rack with a fan aimed at it then 24-48 hours sealed in a bucket with a bunch of damp rid to suck out the very last bit of moisture. it takes a long time but i've never been in a rush to get them dry and i was always worried about heat effecting potency.




Whatever works for you! But a decent dehydrator is $30 at Wal-Mart, not a bad investment for any grower. And heat does not affect potency, at least not from a dehydrator. Not dry enough is worse than too dry. But if it's cracker dry then :greatjob:


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    #24119498 - 02/25/17 06:53 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Dude your sig is hilarious


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    #24119530 - 02/25/17 07:14 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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no just the dumb expression :lol:


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    #24119715 - 02/25/17 08:51 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

i use a box fan and a hanging mesh rack


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #24354509 - 05/27/17 04:27 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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No, oxidation kills actives. It happens as an aqueous reaction and it's electron transfer not exposure to O2 so much




whats the source of this, sure its not just a myth like that spraying muhsrooms directly will cause aborts? - there is always some sort of argumentation , even for myths ^^ or have pepople acutally had he experience that their fruit were noticably weaker drying them slowly


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #24354517 - 05/27/17 04:32 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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dried out in 30hrs




Wait wtf why does it take you 30 hours to dry with a dehydrator? Mine takes like 3-6 depending how many I'm drying.


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    #24354526 - 05/27/17 04:35 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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dried out in 30hrs




Wait wtf why does it take you 30 hours to dry with a dehydrator? Mine takes like 3-6 depending how many I'm drying.




3-6 hours to cracker dry or to bendy dry? i think to get cracker you need that very long time


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    #24354528 - 05/27/17 04:37 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I would rather dry fruits for 24 hours when they only needed 6 than to dry for 6 hours when they actually needed 7.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: polaritymind]
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dried out in 30hrs




Wait wtf why does it take you 30 hours to dry with a dehydrator? Mine takes like 3-6 depending how many I'm drying.




3-6 hours to cracker dry or to bendy dry? i think to get cracker you need that very long time



Cracker dry. Like when I'm taking them off the rack I have to be careful not to crush them or snap the caps off.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #24354534 - 05/27/17 04:39 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Grow larger denser fruits. This fruit took a long time to dry completely. 36 hours. I used a scale to tell when it was done.



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    #24354538 - 05/27/17 04:41 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Grow larger denser fruits. This fruit took a long time to dry completely. 36 hours. I used a scale to tell when it was done.





Yea the larger fruits take me more toward the 6 hour mark but I'll admit I've had very few if any that compare to that one density wise :lol:.


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    #24354541 - 05/27/17 04:42 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

It came out of this tub. I think I still might have that clone.



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    #24354542 - 05/27/17 04:42 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I weny a bought a new 400w nesco dehydrator and filled all 4 racks packed. I had it running for about 10 minutes and checked it. The bottom 2 racks were much hotter than anticipated. Some of the caps were already roasted and blackened. I ended up just using a fan then tossing them in my desiccant chamber where they will stay for about a few days in the fridge. I wish it had a damn temp adjustment. Id rather be safe than sorry i suppose


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    #24354548 - 05/27/17 04:45 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I just use a cheap amazon dehydrator and I've stored mushrooms I've dried with it over 2 years so far with no potency loss or other issues.


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    #24354599 - 05/27/17 05:11 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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I just use a cheap amazon dehydrator and I've stored mushrooms I've dried with it over 2 years so far with no potency loss or other issues.




grow larger fruits. i get where you are coming from.
i would of laughed at myself for drying for 24-36 hours less than 1 years ago.

next time you have a 50-80gram wet fruit, take pics, dry it 6hours.
put in a bag and open it 1 month later. share those results.
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I just use a cheap amazon dehydrator and I've stored mushrooms I've dried with it over 2 years so far with no potency loss or other issues.




grow larger fruits. i get where you are coming from.
i would of laughed at myself for drying for 24-36 hours less than 1 years ago.

next time you have a 50-80gram wet fruit, take pics, dry it 6hours.
put in a bag and open it 1 month later. share those results.
if you have already done this, please post pics.

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These are the only pics I could find of big ones but these are pretty much as big as my fruits get at the moment (haven't started cloning etc):




I don't remember the weights but I'm sure I've at least had a few at or near the 50g mark.


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    #24354631 - 05/27/17 05:30 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

those could be dry in 6hours.

but this wont.

or these


ps i have huge hands. im 6'1 190. 9 inch dong. big nose. huge hands. size 14wide shoe.
and drying 1 flush thats maybe half oz is MUCH MUCH different than a dehydrator overflowing with lbs.

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    #24354663 - 05/27/17 05:43 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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and drying 1 flush thats maybe half oz is MUCH MUCH different than a dehydrator overflowing with lbs.




Yeah that's a valid point. I very rarely have more than one tray in use when I use my dehydrator (and it's one closest to the heat source). Does running it 30h run up your electric bill much?


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    #24354676 - 05/27/17 05:47 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

no? :shrug:

its a coil and a fan. id imagine my toothbrush sucks more power.

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no? :shrug:

its a coil and a fan. id imagine my toothbrush sucks more power.





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    #24354697 - 05/27/17 05:57 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

i guess running it sucks power?

the most ive run was close to 4days straight. it was a busy week of uneven MS flushes.
so for four days that bitch ran non stop(i bought 2 more after that) and my electric bill was normal..maybe?

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i guess running it sucks power?

the most ive run was close to 4days straight. it was a busy week of uneven MS flushes.
so for four days that bitch ran non stop(i bought 2 more after that) and my electric bill was normal..maybe?

shits on auto pay.
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    #24354716 - 05/27/17 06:11 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

now im paranoid and im going to check my bill.:evil:


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    #24354731 - 05/27/17 06:18 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

The vacuum seal adapter for jars is worth getting.

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now im paranoid and im going to check my bill.:evil:



I know a 1500w heater costs about 25 cents an hour to run so id venture to say less than a quarter of that. Not too significant


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    #24354850 - 05/27/17 07:12 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I vaguely recall back in '13 I was bitching at my girlfriend about the power bill asking if she had been using the hair dryer or curling iron a lot and just generally complaining about the bill being way too fucking high.

Then she tells me, well you do run that big ass pressure cooker for a couple hours every night and then points out the fact that the dehydrator runs non stop and puts out heat that makes the air conditioning run....


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #25034856 - 03/02/18 10:04 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

What setting is your dehydrator on? I heard heat nerfs the results. Mine has a fan settting with no heat. Should I set it to that for 24 hr?


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Eyesopen]
    #25034945 - 03/02/18 11:02 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

You want to use the heat. A fan without heat will not remove all the moisture. If you're worried about the actives degrading, don't be. The temperature setting will mainly affect the drying time and the way they taste.


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Kizzle]
    #25078619 - 03/20/18 07:26 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Why not using a kitchen exhaust hood, you can put your froots on the grill and set faning on low.

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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #25337499 - 07/20/18 06:02 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Hi friend,

30 dollar dehydrator sounds amazing, but I am living in the frozen tundra of Iceland and the only dehydrator's I can find here cost me 300 bucks baby. Could you recommend me a 30 dollar dehydrator on Amazon? The ones I found that weren't so expensive all had preset temperature of 170Β° degrees. :rolleyes:


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: ferryman]
    #25337504 - 07/20/18 06:04 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

A preset temp of 170 sounds fine :shrug:


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #25338327 - 07/21/18 03:15 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Wouldn't so high heat destroy the psilocybin molecules? I read somewhere that they shouldn't be near a heat source at all and especially not cook with them due to that reason.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: ferryman]
    #25338439 - 07/21/18 06:28 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

They'll be fine man I run mine at 160 till they are cracker dry never had any problems


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: ferryman]
    #25338476 - 07/21/18 07:10 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Wouldn't so high heat destroy the psilocybin molecules? I read somewhere that they shouldn't be near a heat source at all and especially not cook with them due to that reason.



I wouldn't worry about the heat of a dehydrator it doesn't even come close to being hot enough.

You can deep fry magic mushrooms in 400f oil and they're fine.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: ferryman]
    #25339425 - 07/21/18 05:19 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Wouldn't so high heat destroy the psilocybin molecules? I read somewhere that they shouldn't be near a heat source at all and especially not cook with them due to that reason.



170f isn't that high when you consider the exposure is only for hours, not weeks. Also psilocin is far more unstable and the heat denatures the enzymes that dephosphorylate psilocybin and that happens relatively quickly, so in theory in could actually help preserve the potency.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Kizzle]
    #25773888 - 01/28/19 04:04 AM (5 years, 19 days ago)

I can only find one specification for a dehidrator about the tray height-it says 3 cm (1,18 inches). Is that a standard? it seems to me  that is not enough. I dont want to waste money,so my question is-Is 3 cm enough tray height? or is it better to find one with higher trays?


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Samalander]
    #25773945 - 01/28/19 05:01 AM (5 years, 19 days ago)

Theh don't need to fit together perfectly the mushrooms shrink as they dry the trays eventually come back together


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25773955 - 01/28/19 05:10 AM (5 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Samalander]
    #25802229 - 02/09/19 07:00 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

So psilocybin should be stable at 170 f drying temperature, what about psilocin? So is it recommended for all mushrooms...even those high in psilocin?

Just curious i grew cubensis years ago, i used the fan dry followed by desiccant chamber back then because it was recommended.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Viridis]
    #25802267 - 02/09/19 07:28 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

Melting point for either is above 300F.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Viridis]
    #25802268 - 02/09/19 07:29 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

Psilocin degrades at 350f. Psilocybin at 440f.


Degrade or melting point? Which is more accurate?


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #25802669 - 02/09/19 10:50 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

A lot of dehydrator are different. The expensive hundreds of dollar ones can dry a tub in 4-6 hours.
So Another good way to tell is by the cap! If the mushroom feels cracker dry, check the cap. If your able to wiggle it turn it or move it at all its not done yet. The cap should snap off.

I also think silica packets/desiccant packets are helpful just in case there is any extra moisture, even in the air. I make my own desiccant packets with coffee filters and rubberbands. U can buy a refill bag of desiccant for $5-$9 dollars and it will last you forever. Desiccant works by sucking the moisture out of anything it can. In turn it will turn to liquid. So if u make these and put them in with your dried mushies you can check on it a week later. If the coffee filter is moist on the outside u didn't dry your mushies long enough and the desiccant saved your life lol.


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    #25802698 - 02/09/19 11:11 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

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Spot on bro!
Although I'm a little disappointed that you weren't litterally comparing your dried fruits to crumbled crackers like I originally expected upon clicking :lol:




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    #25802727 - 02/09/19 11:34 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

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I can only find one specification for a dehidrator about the tray height-it says 3 cm (1,18 inches). Is that a standard? it seems to me  that is not enough. I dont want to waste money,so my question is-Is 3 cm enough tray height? or is it better to find one with higher trays?



if worried some models u can turn every other tray over to create twice the height.Also remove racks in the side load style.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Viridis]
    #25803237 - 02/10/19 09:27 AM (5 years, 6 days ago)

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So psilocybin should be stable at 170 f drying temperature, what about psilocin? So is it recommended for all mushrooms...even those high in psilocin?

Just curious i grew cubensis years ago, i used the fan dry followed by desiccant chamber back then because it was recommended.



In a solution psilocin degradation is limited by the amount O2 in that solution so I don't think drying temperature would have much effect on it's degradation although it it may have an effect on how much psilocybin is enzymatically converted into psilocin. It's during long-term storage (months) that temperature may make a difference, not the <24 hours in a dehydrator.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Kizzle]
    #25803249 - 02/10/19 09:38 AM (5 years, 6 days ago)

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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #25925477 - 04/09/19 05:30 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I bet it was the environment and the ziploc bag that was the problem. How could mushrooms magically get bendable after getting them cracker dry? The reason they would snap is because there's no moisture in them lol. This doesn't make any sense to me πŸ€”..


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Shenmue]
    #25925479 - 04/09/19 05:32 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Because after shorter drying times they were not truly cracked dry.


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    #25925502 - 04/09/19 05:44 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I guess I'll keep my mushrooms in a bag for a week just to make sure there dry before I vacuum seal them. Better to be safe than sorry. Thanks for the info πŸ‘..


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    #25925510 - 04/09/19 05:47 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Mushrooms snapping and mushrooms being crushed into dust with your fingers are different things.


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #25925781 - 04/09/19 08:29 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

It seems the better test vessel after drying would be something that doesn't allow moisture ingress.


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    #25925804 - 04/09/19 08:43 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I've had a 2L freezer bag full of mushrooms on top of the fridge and the bag wasn't even closed, just folded over.
The mushrooms remained cracker dry because humidity was practically zero on top of the fridge I measured it.
So instead of focusing on vacuum sealing or using dessicants it's better to just store the bags in a dry place :shrug:


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    #25964537 - 04/30/19 02:54 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Omg everything mushboy said is true! I dried half my mushrooms at 110f for 36 hours and the other half for 2 days. I just checked them after a week and a half in a bag and every single mushroom is bending! Everything seemed cracker dry at the time but I guess it actually wasn't 😳. So even after 2 days 110f didn't get the job done. I just put them back in the dehydrator and turned it up to 160f. Thanks for the post mushboy!


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Shenmue]
    #25964569 - 04/30/19 03:11 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

For those who were recommending vacuum sealing in this thread... I bought a vacuum sealer and a dehydrator the same week, and the dehydrator is a miracle (vs. my oven's dehydrate setting - bod was right as usual on that account), but have been having trouble with the vacuum sealer. Because the shrooms are indeed cracker dry, the vacuum sealer ends up breaking them and the ensuing dust makes for a bad seal that doesn't hold. Anyone else have this problem? How do you get around it? Some of it might be that most of the shrooms were small and so cracked easily, but hopefully someone has a better idea than just putting all the small ones in mason jars with desiccant packets instead (which is what I'm doing for the moment).


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    #25964578 - 04/30/19 03:15 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

How about making the bags bigger so you have more room lol. Maybe your vacuum sealer is junk?


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    #25964594 - 04/30/19 03:25 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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For those who were recommending vacuum sealing in this thread... I bought a vacuum sealer and a dehydrator the same week, and the dehydrator is a miracle (vs. my oven's dehydrate setting - bod was right as usual on that account), but have been having trouble with the vacuum sealer. Because the shrooms are indeed cracker dry, the vacuum sealer ends up breaking them and the ensuing dust makes for a bad seal that doesn't hold. Anyone else have this problem? How do you get around it? Some of it might be that most of the shrooms were small and so cracked easily, but hopefully someone has a better idea than just putting all the small ones in mason jars with desiccant packets instead (which is what I'm doing for the moment).



Press the seal button before it crushes them:shrug: i do the same thing when vacuuming pounds of bud, u want to seel it before it sucks too tight


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Re: 'Cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Shenmue]
    #25964595 - 04/30/19 03:27 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

This is the sealer:

https://www.amazon.com/Machine-Mueller-Automatic-Preservation-Indicator/dp/B07J2SR7YT?

And, uh, isn't the whole point of a vacuum sealer that it makes the bags smaller on its own? So... Not sure how larger bags would help. They weren't over-filled.


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    #25964597 - 04/30/19 03:28 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Also just seal it twice if your not getting a good seal


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    #25964602 - 04/30/19 03:30 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Also just seal it twice if your not getting a good seal




Yeah tried that but the mushroom dust was basically everywhere so the second didn't help. Will try your first suggestion (stopping the vacuum early) and see if that helps.


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    #25964609 - 04/30/19 03:35 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

It should help I deal with a lot of bud and sometimes the bags get shake on them and won’t seal well so I’ll leave them on the sealer and seal the same spot 2 or 3 times and let it sit till it cools them unlach the sealer:thumbup:


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    #25964677 - 04/30/19 04:18 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

No wonder its not working. If you spend anything under $100 you're probably going to get junk. I would send it back and buy a better one.


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    #25964724 - 04/30/19 04:43 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I purchased a cheap vacuum sealer. The top gasket went bad so now I'm forced to buy another one. Usually a vacuum sealer has 2 gaskets that need replaced. Sometimes the cheaper models only allow you to replace one so after a year or 2 of use you basically have to buy another one. I also noticed it didn't seal very good. The one I'm buying this time is around 150-195$. I went through the same thing with dehydrators. Dont expect accurate temperatures unless you spend over $100. You usually always get what you pay for. I'm not going cheap anymore with anything because you end up spending more money in the end...


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    #25989525 - 05/13/19 09:25 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Good fukken info.
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    #25990686 - 05/13/19 07:21 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

So my first flush will need to be harvested a couple days earlier than I anticipated I can't get a dehydrator until Friday and I'm probably going to need to harvest by Wednesday. What should I do? It's only a half pint cake of APE



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    #25990812 - 05/13/19 08:11 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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So my first flush will need to be harvested a couple days earlier than I anticipated I can't get a dehydrator until Friday and I'm probably going to need to harvest by Wednesday. What should I do? It's only a half pint cake of APE






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    #25990813 - 05/13/19 08:11 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

is that ape?  :facepalm: yes it is.

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    #25990855 - 05/13/19 08:27 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I'll won't harvest until you think I should... I'll post Wednesday.  Thank you so very much


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Update

This morning -



Just now -



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    #26093192 - 07/06/19 01:26 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

So what's the takeaway here? Dry shrooms in a dehydrator for 24 hours? Or does it depend on the size of the mushroom?


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    #26093227 - 07/06/19 01:46 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I do 24hrs for everything.


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    #26093388 - 07/06/19 03:35 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

At what temp?


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    #26093393 - 07/06/19 03:41 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

160f or above. I have 3 and they just have an 'on' setting.


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    #26094564 - 07/07/19 11:29 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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    #26094967 - 07/07/19 05:06 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: PsilyCameraGuy]
    #26096616 - 07/08/19 06:01 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Got one for free today! Do I break the mushrooms up before putting them in the dehydrator or put them in whole?


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #26479489 - 02/11/20 01:42 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

I do not know why but my shrooms were cracker dry after 8 hours in the dehydrator ( and mine is a cheap one).they broke up if you do not handle them gently


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #27029540 - 11/09/20 04:26 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hoping for some reassurance here...

I've been using a Nesco dehydrator to dry shrooms for a couple months. Typically drying all of each flush at once @ 165, 3 to 4 racks, until everything is cracker dry, which I assumed happened after 4 - 5 hours. But reading your 24 hr minimum dry time has me worried.

I'm in a dry northern climate. I've been storing them in large Rubbermaid containers in a cool basement bedroom. Of the earliest couple batches that I dried late September, I'm not seeing any bendy stems. Everything still seems cracker dry. But the centers of larger stems seem a bit "chalky", especially a batch of PE. They feel dry, and crack when bent, and still get me high....but are they dry enough for mid - long term storage?

I made some desiccant from magnesium sulfate yesterday, put some in large ziplocks, and put all the rubbermaids in there with the lids cracked. Is this a bonehead maneuver? Should I run all the shrooms that are questionable through another round in the dehydrator? Or just eat them all before they go bad :confused:


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: AlpineHighs]
    #27029585 - 11/09/20 05:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

4-5hrs is not long enough ime especially with chunky PE.

I'd just eat em and dry the next batch thoroughly. You could redry but I've always eaten em before it became a issue.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #27029590 - 11/09/20 05:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome. I have about 30oz "dried", so I'll sort out whatever is questionable and forget it in the dehydrator for the day. Thanks a lot


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #27347212 - 06/13/21 08:02 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

official dry tek guidelines:

24 hours at 160F jewluminatii confirmed? confirmed.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #27689282 - 03/10/22 12:35 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Very helpful to a noob like me, thank you... I wish this thread were easier to find


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #28132654 - 01/09/23 06:33 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Sorry for bumping an old thread but been searching for a long time and there's so many different opinions out there, this forum comes up a lot though.

At the beginning most searches said 40c/104f but here says 71c/160f.
I'm just doing my first flush and they're fruiting at different times, the few so far feel dry but unsure about them. They're in an air tight mason jar with silica gel bags and been dried in a dehydrator for about 7 or 8 hours.
I have 2 questions...

1) When i first searched I wondered if oven drying would work, most searches said no as temp too high (my min oven temp is 50c/122f), it's a fan oven. Why would a fan oven cause potency loss if I'm at 50c/122f ? (i'm using a ninja foodi to dehydrate instead)

2) Is it possible to over dry (within reason i.e. ending up as dust whilst checking often)? With no scientific knowledge I think not as I'm guessing psilocybin doesn't break down at that temp. The reason I ask is I'm thinking about putting the fruits I thought I dried back in to the dehydrator.

I also saw some anecdotes saying you need to be a bit more careful with the ninja foodi but no idea why.


Edited by beebaw (01/09/23 07:14 PM)


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: beebaw]
    #28132901 - 01/09/23 08:36 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

The quick question thread is where this would have fit best but since we are here:

1) 160f is best and your oven works fine if it has a fan and can be that low. Since convection ovens tend to be hotter maybe aim for 145f to be safe. The real issue is how much electricity your oven uses as compared to a dehydrator.

2) Overdrying should not be a concern if you stop at a reasonable time.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: cooleko]
    #28133191 - 01/10/23 05:59 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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2) Overdrying is not be a concern





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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28133198 - 01/10/23 06:05 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Cost to run the oven being the biggest factor between a dehydrator and the oven.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28133206 - 01/10/23 06:13 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Beebaw, make sure to go a full 24 hours at 160f.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Guerrilla]
    #28133857 - 01/10/23 02:54 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Thanks to everyone who replied (and sorry to the other person, never realised this was better in the quick answers section as just found this thread after much googling).
I think because they're smaller they're drying out quicker, maybe they're closer to the heating element as it's a ninja foodi but they seem cracker dry after 6 hours.

From the replies, it seems I can't overdry and waste them yeh?

I'm still confused why this forum's consensus seems to be much warmer than the EU sites I read (104f vs 160f)


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: beebaw] * 1
    #28133864 - 01/10/23 02:58 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

The amount of times people have posted here that their mushrooms "are definitely cracker dry after 8 hours" etc. and then come back after some time with issues with said shrooms.

I highly recommend sticking to the 24 hour guideline.


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Guerrilla]
    #28133876 - 01/10/23 03:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I'm ok with doing that mate, just trying to make sure I don't ruin them if I stick them back in to dry more.
I've got silica gel bags in with them in a mason jar so hopefully won't spoil before i dry more

edit: just tried to bend one after 6 hours drying and snapped straight away with slight pressure. i'm probably wrong but i think the ninja is drying them out faster, or too hot. Will test at the weekend to see


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: mushboy]
    #28135486 - 01/11/23 03:05 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Suggestion: Instead of pictures, upload audio files. Trust me, people WILL be able to tell if it's been dried right.


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    #28135488 - 01/11/23 03:06 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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    #28138126 - 01/13/23 03:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Reading this thread made me question some big bags I recently vac sealed. Opened one up and sure as shit the big fellas had a little bend in them. They were snappy coming out of the dehydrator :crankey:

Back in the dehydrator they go.

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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Nonagon]
    #28139371 - 01/14/23 11:00 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I don't have a dehydrator but just dry the harvest in front of a radiator for a few days and then put it in a jar with silica gel pouches and a small hygrometer which shows about 10 to 15 % humidity inside of the jar. Does anyone here has a comparison of what humidity you can reach in a jar after using a dehydrator? Is there any difference?


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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: cidero]
    #28139379 - 01/14/23 11:06 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Anything more than 0 means your mushrooms are going to absorb moisture from the air and lose potency and/or mold.

With silica it should get to zero!

My monitor is too big to fit in a jar so I cant actually confirm that I'm not making it up. Just applying logic instead of experience here.


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    #28139396 - 01/14/23 11:15 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Wouldn’t recommend trying to gauge moisture content in fruits that way, or storing anything less than cracker dry. They should snap before they flex at all.

I dehydrated a batch on high for well over 12 hrs recently and they appeared good and got vac sealed, but still got a slight bend back in them when I thought to go check.

The pin style moisture meters you stab into wood might be interesting to test individual fruits. Maybe if I can find mine I’ll post readings at couple hour intervals during dehydrating next time. It would be interesting to see the reading on a big fruit when I figure it’s fully done, and at 24 hrs


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    #28142421 - 01/16/23 07:30 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

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I don't have a dehydrator but just dry the harvest in front of a radiator for a few days and then put it in a jar with silica gel pouches and a small hygrometer which shows about 10 to 15 % humidity inside of the jar. Does anyone here has a comparison of what humidity you can reach in a jar after using a dehydrator? Is there any difference?





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Re: mushboys 'cracker dry' comparison! [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28240782 - 03/22/23 04:51 AM (10 months, 20 days ago)

Just glad that this thread is still here and doing great work. Deserves a slight bump I think.

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