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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: Patlal]
    #23779509 - 10/28/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

maybe it's only in the US that kids are taught that prescription drugs and be abused and lead to addiction and death

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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23779565 - 10/28/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No he's right pris. I've mentioned the word opiates or opoids in normal conversation and people look at me like I'm speaking some foreign druggie language.

Which I hope everyone knows common names like oxycotin or vicodin but the less common ones? I'm sure some people think tramadol is totally safe because it's not a true opiate


I think a whole lot of problems could be solved if we focus all our efforts on making people less dumb. I don't like being assumed dumb or a junkie that can't be responsible for myself when I need a pain script but I'd rather be assumed dumb knowing they assume everyone is dumb rather than be assumed a junkie and everyone is assumed a junkie.


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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23779585 - 10/28/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
No he's right pris. I've mentioned the word opiates or opoids in normal conversation and people look at me like I'm speaking some foreign druggie language.

Which I hope everyone knows common names like oxycotin or vicodin but the less common ones? I'm sure some people think tramadol is totally safe because it's not a true opiate




just because someone doesnt know the term opiod or narcotic or even analgesic
doesnt mean they dont know the effects or benzos and pain pills among all the
other drugs, you kids are welcome to have the argument on whether someone knows
a term or not, here I was speaking on a class of drugs, not the term


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I think a whole lot of problems could be solved if we focus all our efforts on making people less dumb. I don't like being assumed dumb or a junkie that can't be responsible for myself when I need a pain script but I'd rather be assumed dumb knowing they assume everyone is dumb rather than be assumed a junkie and everyone is assumed a junkie.




macklemore said you're a dumb junkie that cant be responsible for your choices,
that it's the doctors fault, that he's the drug pusher and the end user has no
choice to become an addict under the control of big pharma

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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23779589 - 10/28/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

what a cringey music video. My drug dealer was a doctor... lol macklemore thinks he's so profound . I could see somebody doing a parody song of this, my drug dealer was a pharmacist, pharmacist...

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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: mt cleverest]
    #23779655 - 10/28/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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mt cleverest said:
what a cringey music video. My drug dealer was a doctor... lol macklemore thinks he's so profound . I could see somebody doing a parody song of this, my drug dealer was a pharmacist, pharmacist...




Cringey? Do you have the emotional mind of a 11 year old?  :thatsayes: Also, why is it making you uncomfortable that somebody is trying to convey meaningful messages via music? Genuine question. Or I'm I just going to get a "lol, he jus thinks hes so intelligent and what he is seying is jus so obvious. u get so muny artists trying to make enintellgent music now. tey make no impact whatsoever"?
Perhaps some Lil Wayne or Soulja boy for you?  :high5miss:


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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: daz01]
    #23779659 - 10/28/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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why is it making you uncomfortable that somebody is trying to convey meaningful messages via music?





when you say meaningful do you mean a message full of falsehoods that encourage
people to place the blame for their failings on others

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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: daz01]
    #23779673 - 10/28/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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u get so muny artists trying to make enintellgent music now. tey make no impact whatsoever"?
Perhaps some Lil Wayne or Soulja boy for you?  :high5miss:




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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: mt cleverest]
    #23779691 - 10/28/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Some people have addictive personalities and the one's that don't will
never truly understand the addicts thought process.

I do not have an addictive personality, but one of my buddies does and he
has to try very hard to abstain from stims like coke or pharmaceuticals.

I can do coke with him and when the bag is done, it's done for me. For
him, it's a travesty and he has like a mini panic attack and feels like
he needs to find more right away.

I come from a family of drug addicts also so supposedly I am predisposed
to addictive behavior, but I can truly stop when I feel like it with no
adverse mental reactions to stopping. Others just have a hard time, and
although I do not understand it, I still know it's a thing because it
is much harder for him to stop than it is for me to stop, so there has
to be something going on that makes it so difficult. Possibly something
outside of their control.

Also, some doctors act more on self interest than others and will most
certainly continue prescribing meds even when the person shows definite
signs of abuse. I've seen it with family and friends alike.


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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: daz01]
    #23780022 - 10/28/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A big part of the problem is people are taught to blindly trust doctors, take whatever is prescribed and not do their own research. This leads to people getting hardcore drug addictions literally without even knowing they are taking an addictive drug because the doctor said it was fine and they didn't even bother to do a google search before taking the whole script.


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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23781677 - 10/29/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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doctards arent there to take everyone by the hand and show them the right way and
wrong way





lol man, wtf do you think people go to doctors/the hospital for? thats exactly what they're there for, what are you saying lol literally no one goes online and finds out EXACTLY what their problem is, diagnoses and treats themselves at home, and goes on living their lives. Diagnosing yourself with "what you think you know" from the internet is dangerous, most of the time people are extremely wrong and think its a lot worse or not as bad as they think it is.


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macklemore said you're a dumb junkie that cant be responsible for your choices,
that it's the doctors fault, that he's the drug pusher and the end user has no
choice to become an addict under the control of big pharma





I'll only agree with you when you're saying that Macklemore is blaming the doctor for being "the drug dealer". I mean, I personally think he's just saying that because its a clever way to get his view across ... but think about it man, if you had broken bones and were in a lot of pain, or whatever they prescribe this strong pain medication for, what choice do these people really have? If you're sitting there in pain every day all the time, and you know these pills would help you take the pain away until you're healed up, would you not give in and take them too? Like other people are saying, some people have addictive personalities and fall in love with the pills. They take it for the pain first, and then it becomes something else. Its not that these people are "dumb" and "should know better", its the fact that these people don't have very many other options to deal with their pain, and its unfortunate that the drugs take hold of them.

But besides all that, I think this song is truly for people who are either already trapped in their addiction and can extremely relate to what he's saying, or for the people who are seeing it happen to someone close to them, maybe the song will give them inspiration to step in and do something by giving them a peak at the horror they experience.

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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: lonelypsychonaut]
    #23781682 - 10/29/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah the only thing worse than a dope fiend is some that thinks they have a right to legislate themselves between a person and a doctor, or a person and the drugs that they knowingly like.

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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23781686 - 10/29/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah the only thing worse than a dope fiend is some that thinks they have a right to legislate themselves between a person and a doctor, or a person and the drugs that they knowingly like.





It just bothers me that some people think that drug addicts deserve what they get, like they LIKE that shit happening to them. A drug addiction can COMPLETELY blind you to whats actually important, and it can COMPLETELY blind you to what the fuck you're even doing.

My buddy had a bad Xanax addiction at the beginning of this year, and no matter what we told him or did, no matter how much we tried to show him that what he was doing was wrong and fucked up and that it was literally gonna fucking kill him, he'd just keep doing it man. It's what he felt like he needed to do. People get SO attached to these drugs (especially painkillers, mental or physical), and I bet if you asked basically any drug addict who was still somewhat in their right mind about what they were doing, they would most likely choose to not be like and to never have started in the first place.

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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: lonelypsychonaut]
    #23781688 - 10/29/16 01:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I mean I am all for taking away trust in doctors, and educating people about the dangers of drugs, but the real danger is trying to put people in jail for what they do knowingly to their own bodies.

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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23781713 - 10/29/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't read but I thought it's another good PSA, catchy and heartfelt. If you've been addicted you can understand that cold sweat glaze having a warm shower do basically nothing . Idk I thought it was a good PSA,not that we needed it but big Pharm's is one of those things that really does kill people


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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: lonelypsychonaut]
    #23782028 - 10/29/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:

doctards arent there to take everyone by the hand and show them the right way and
wrong way





lol man, wtf do you think people go to doctors/the hospital for?  thats exactly what they're there for




many go to get treated for illness or injury, others go in order to try and get
drugs, there are countless posts on this site by drug seekers, the doctors arent
you parents, they arent your drug intervention officer from school. you knew the
drugs were not something to casually abuse. why does the doctor have to tell you
in addition to everything else you should have been listening to


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I'll only agree with you when you're saying that Macklemore is blaming the doctor for being "the drug dealer". I mean, I personally think he's just saying that because its a clever way to get his view across ...





no, he's saying it because he's a liberal fuckbag that wants to lay the blame on
others instead of pushing for personal responsibility. I broke my ankle twice, the
first time I was offered a scrip for hydrocodone, I declined, the first thing the
doctor asked was if I was a recovering addict. it's funny how it all works, if you
want the drugs then you're a drug seeker and if you dont want the drugs then you
must be in recovery.

Doc: "on a scale of 1-10, how bad does it hurt?"
drug seeker: "28"

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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23782034 - 10/29/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Prisoner1 its your own fault you are a drug addict


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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23782041 - 10/29/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Prisoner1 its your own fault you are a drug addict





if I were a drug addict that would be 100% true, I have the potential to be a drug
addict because I love the effects of some drugs such as meth but I'm also smart
enough to understand that meth is addictive and because I like it I need to avoid it.
that also holds true with benzos, opiods and several other drugs. I did pay  attention,
I even learned a lot of it from the people here because I see so many people here
trying to kick benzos, heroin and other nasty shit

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Re: New Macklemore song on - Big Pharma, drug abuse, opioid epidemic, the lifes it all destroys [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23785324 - 10/30/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:


if I were a drug addict that would be 100% true, I have the potential to be a drug
addict because I love the effects of some drugs such as meth but I'm also smart
enough to understand that meth is addictive and because I like it I need to avoid it.





you're probably one of the very few, not many people can dabble and not get at least somewhat hooked for a bit

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