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Coming out of the Long Spell of Ignorance
#23781844 - 10/29/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel as if long long years I've spent under a spell. Noise, fear, superficial thinking, obtuse thinking, closed mindedness, running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
After a long journey spanning decades, I feel as if now I'm finally coming out. Resting. Finding a way home. Being here more fully, being at peace.
Here for instance, this song expresses the state I feel.
Just about 5 mins of it, then more noisy sounds start again. But should be enough to get my message across
Across what? Across the junge and noise that this informational jungle is made of 
I see that most others are stuck in the spell, I see them out in cities, I see it in their eyes, I see them in this forum posting, the restless typing with no paragraphs, typos left in, no sentence or thought structure, and I know they've been living in the noise for a long time as well, and are restless as they seek a way out.
Can anyone relate? How goes it, on your path to awakening to reality again?
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Re: Coming out of the Long Spell of Ignorance [Re: They]
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Re: Coming out of the Long Spell of Ignorance [Re: Buster_Brown]
#23782800 - 10/29/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds very genuine, like you are committed to really doing the right thing with your life.
All I can say is,
where you find you are really serious and attached, try to wear it down. Where you are most attached, try to degrade it, even if it's really important to you.
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Re: Coming out of the Long Spell of Ignorance [Re: beforethedawn] 1
#23782917 - 10/29/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You found what Suzuki Roshi used to call Beginners Mind. Everything starts from and advances from it.
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Re: Coming out of the Long Spell of Ignorance [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#23782925 - 10/29/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or what Plato described in the Allegory of the Cave as - The escaped Prisoner.
Or What in Dzogchen , Longchempa Rinpoche - asserts that we are presently under the spell of magical illusion and that by recognizing it, we are instantaneously released from a conceptual cage into an enchanting reality which is pure pleasure itself. That reality is maya, apparent yet absent, and the recognition of it in the state of natural relaxation is maya yoga.
... those are my favorite 3 ways of describing it and its a blessing to find yourself like that in life. Good for you. Dont mess up and get holier then tho on people who are sleeping or ignorant or w/e you choose to call someone who cant see from that special view point. Be good, kind, smart.
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Re: Coming out of the Long Spell of Ignorance [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#23783023 - 10/29/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have found the breaks in the spell to be somewhat unstable, temporary, they come and go, as if I "lose consciousness" and then fall back in the game again.
I suspect most trippers (who trip more than once) feel something like this. Current trip, you remember last trip, what it was to have this different, elevated awareness, how smart and clear you feel now, and how you've felt it again last trip, but in the meantime you've "dumbed down" again, lost in the human game and noise.
Even on first trips, there are states we get into, and when we get there we now remember, that there was this one time at age 9 or 12, when things were nice and clear, and oh yeah, THIS is what I was doing, what I'm all about, so what have I been doing and getting lost in, in all those years between then and now, running around in circles? 
I think this coming-and-going of awareness is described in Buddhist texts, Alan Watts makes some mention of it, and judging by direct experience, I'd say the way it gets more stable over time, is that the breaks in the spell become more common, come more often, also become familiar, one can dwell there more and start to call it home.
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Good for you. Dont mess up and get holier then tho on people who are sleeping or ignorant or w/e you choose to call someone who cant see from that special view point. Be good, kind, smart.
I've found that one of the best things to do with this sort of awareness, of "getting it" is to share it. Sometimes it works through words, more often it works through eyes and smiles alone. Rather disconcerting when I look on a sea of people (mall, street, whatever it may be) and there's nobody awake, nobody there, all attention is fully occupied with worries, future, past, fidgeting or smartphones, talking yadda-yadda with no break to look and breathe.
I know all people "get" this state, I've seen quite a few be marked by it after brief eye contact, but they also go to extreme lengths to avoid it.
I was at a non-stop shop today for instance, buying discounted bananas, and then spent some time looking at who comes and goes, what rides and stories they are on. Most were buying cigarettes, alcohol or sugary beverages, Coca Cola and the like. I know all of those humans have this potential for peace and grace inside, and yet those molecules they were just giving their money for, are pretty much designed to prevent it, to make things shallow, restless, superficial. I looked at all of them hoping they'd stop their pattern and be alive for a moment, one girl with a red wine bottle nearly did it, but nope, hopped in car and went on with her wine 
So it's no longer about being holier than thou or calling them ignorant, I just see that most problems they face could be solved with more rest, peace, breathing, as opposed to more noise, activity, busy-ness or talking.
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Re: Coming out of the Long Spell of Ignorance [Re: They]
#23783138 - 10/29/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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They said: I have found the breaks in the spell to be somewhat unstable, temporary, they come and go, as if I "lose consciousness" and then fall back in the game again.
I suspect most trippers (who trip more than once) feel something like this. Current trip, you remember last trip, what it was to have this different, elevated awareness, how smart and clear you feel now, and how you've felt it again last trip, but in the meantime you've "dumbed down" again, lost in the human game and noise.
Even on first trips, there are states we get into, and when we get there we now remember, that there was this one time at age 9 or 12, when things were nice and clear, and oh yeah, THIS is what I was doing, what I'm all about, so what have I been doing and getting lost in, in all those years between then and now, running around in circles? 
I think this coming-and-going of awareness is described in Buddhist texts, Alan Watts makes some mention of it, and judging by direct experience, I'd say the way it gets more stable over time, is that the breaks in the spell become more common, come more often, also become familiar, one can dwell there more and start to call it home.
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Good for you. Dont mess up and get holier then tho on people who are sleeping or ignorant or w/e you choose to call someone who cant see from that special view point. Be good, kind, smart.
I've found that one of the best things to do with this sort of awareness, of "getting it" is to share it. Sometimes it works through words, more often it works through eyes and smiles alone. Rather disconcerting when I look on a sea of people (mall, street, whatever it may be) and there's nobody awake, nobody there, all attention is fully occupied with worries, future, past, fidgeting or smartphones, talking yadda-yadda with no break to look and breathe.
I know all people "get" this state, I've seen quite a few be marked by it after brief eye contact, but they also go to extreme lengths to avoid it.
I was at a non-stop shop today for instance, buying discounted bananas, and then spent some time looking at who comes and goes, what rides and stories they are on. Most were buying cigarettes, alcohol or sugary beverages, Coca Cola and the like. I know all of those humans have this potential for peace and grace inside, and yet those molecules they were just giving their money for, are pretty much designed to prevent it, to make things shallow, restless, superficial. I looked at all of them hoping they'd stop their pattern and be alive for a moment, one girl with a red wine bottle nearly did it, but nope, hopped in car and went on with her wine 
So it's no longer about being holier than thou or calling them ignorant, I just see that most problems they face could be solved with more rest, peace, breathing, as opposed to more noise, activity, busy-ness or talking.
Maya Yoga is the title of Keith Dowman’s translation of Finding Comfort and Ease in Enchantment composed by the inimitable Longchen Rabjampa. In the Nyingma School of Tibetan Buddhism this text is considered second to none in its power to evoke the nature of the nondual reality of the Dzogchen view. With poetic mastery Longchenpa provides the precepts that can instantly illuminate the buddha-reality that is our ordinary everyday experience. He asserts that we are presently under the spell of magical illusion and that by recognizing it, we are instantaneously released from a conceptual cage into an enchanting reality which is pure pleasure itself. That reality is maya, apparent yet absent, and the recognition of it in the state of natural relaxation is maya yoga. In this renowned atiyoga manual, we find the key to the natural mystical state that Dzogchen, the Great Perfection, constantly evokes. This is the 2014 American Edition, comprising a improved second edition of the work. Longchen Rabjampa (1308-1363) was the greatest of Tibet’s celebrated mystical poets and sages. The Trilogy of Finding Comfort and Ease is his most renowned work. Keith Dowman is a peripatetic scholar, translator, teacher and yogi in the Dzogchen tradition.
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Re: Coming out of the Long Spell of Ignorance [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23783244 - 10/29/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can vouch for that!
Glad to know I'm not exactly alone on this. I mean I can't be.
But levels, locks and keys . . . that is life. Get exploring, open some doors.
I love this.
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Re: Coming out of the Long Spell of Ignorance [Re: beforethedawn] 1
#23783261 - 10/29/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you want real deal follow up here you go.
this is just one of thousands of records that all add up a true practice but of buddhist variety heres a tase http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn36/sn36.011.than.html
heres the rest of the site.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index.html
its chalk full of recorded lessons and talks ranging from beginner stuff to the most advanced practices of all time. And the in between is in there two, what to do, how to do it. It takes alot of reading and alot more daily practice but the info is atleast there as a back up for when you forget or its just not so clear sometimes - but when it is you can rely on yourself.
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Re: Coming out of the Long Spell of Ignorance [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23783616 - 10/29/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks.
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Re: Coming out of the Long Spell of Ignorance [Re: beforethedawn] 1
#23784331 - 10/30/16 02:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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With poetic mastery Longchenpa provides the precepts that can instantly illuminate the buddha-reality that is our ordinary everyday experience.
Well, I feel that you genuinely believe that, so I headed over to Amazon, to take a look at the preview of this book. What awaited me was a very cloudy, wordy, un-poetic bunch of pages, none of which I could rest my eyes on for too long. I do suspect this may have been just the introduction, and not the meat of the matter, the actual translation from Longchenpa's writings.
Seems to me like Longchenpa had the real deal going, and somewhere between his rendering of his perceptions and this 2014 rendition, a lot of noise got in the way weakening his signal 
Having looked at a few more Buddhist books and having compared it to my path that brought me here, which is (if there were a name for it) something like Aztec, well, it strikes me that the experience of realization is very difficult, if not impossible, to transfer to another by words alone.
I have seen for instance that the visual aspect is very much present in Tibet, all those Thangka paintings trying to awaken the viewer's mind to that "other" reality, beyond Maya, and I have found that at least for me, books and text rarely do it. Especially if it's not interactive back-and-forth text, as we do here.
Furthermore I'll say I'm not a Buddhist, and have found only partial overlap between my own life experiences and how Buddhists see the world, the chain of incarnations. I have gone to a couple of Vipassana 10-day retreats and liked them, but coupled with what the Ayahuasca and shrooms told me, and memories I've regained of my other lives before, it seems to me that the cessation and relaxation part is merely a downswing of the pendulum, that then, if life is to thrive and persist, must be followed by a full engagement with life, action, falling in love, some kind of enterprise or other, whether in war, business, research or others. Some kind of creation, interaction with the rest of the beings outside. Suffering then comes to most people, by their refusal to recognize this fact, that life moves in these active-passive cycles, that if one tries to be active all the time, expend energy without ever charging up again, one just becomes depleted, sad, lost and empty.
Since you guys are much better read and informed on Buddhist matters than myself, perhaps there's some info that needs to exchange hands here, can't hurt to ask
For some months now I've seen this idea develop in my head. That we are nodes in a network. And I do call it Network. It is what many people call "God" - though it's not that clear to them how this works.
We are nodes in it, like our neurons are nodes in our network. Consciously we are divided individuals, but subconsciously, in the realm of intuition and symbols and magnetism, we are not. We are one. And if one can learn to listen to the language being spoken not by other humans, but by "the rest of Network" as it speaks through them, then messages can be received from this great universal intelligence itself.
For instance I got one hint of it in this sentence here:
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locks and keys . . . that is life. Get exploring, open some doors.
In neurological, electrical terms, this makes a ton of sense for me. To go from passive and expecting, to active and exploring, exploring for "other compatible nodes and neurons that are open for connection, resonating the same frequency", that then will allow your signal to flow, and the electric dance and games to continue onward.
My question is, in Buddhism, did they recognize this large intelligence, did they give it some name, is there a concept of it? The large intelligence we're all part of, as the neurons have one intelligence level alone, and a much higher one when linked up in a neural network? It would probably be something opposed to Maya, so if Maya is the universal illusion, dance of distractions, there's also an opposing element, that calls one not to distraction, but to awakening, regaining awareness, and (in terms of Network) synchronizing again to the rest of Network, the flow of Tao in real time, at which point and from which state, life becomes bliss 
Do they have a name and concept for this source of the awakening signals, that counter Maya's going-to-sleep signals? And I realize that they may well be one and the same thing, like a coin in which one face is Maya, the other is this thing that awakens, and we choose to align (read, synchronize) more with one or more with the other.
Furthermore, ever since knowledge of this Aztec way has come back to me (directly, in meditation, various forest retreats), it spoke to me about why we incarnate here, how the game goes, and how life in fact is far from suffering, as long as it's played right. It spoke of incarnations here being compulsive, only to the extent that one doesn't come here for the sheer passion and joy of it. In the same sense that a poorly skilled worker has to take nasty jobs by compulsion, whereas the passionate artist or craftsman would still perform his arts, whether paid for it or not, because it comes from within, like songs to a bird. So in my view, we don't all incarnate here by compulsion, addiction to this kind of experience, and thus coming back to suffering. Some of us (and I feel included here) come for fun. And so in this sense, disagreeing with one of the main precepts of Buddhism (that life is suffering) I am at odds with at least some of its aims, like the aim of not incarnating here any longer.
Can anyone still relate? Anyone still on the boat with me? 
I feel this realization I have here is quite interesting to speak about, as this is what I have noticed:
- It is practiced by all species. It's not a human religion or idea, but a natural process. I myself learned it from mushrooms, Ayahuasca, meditation and observation of birds and dogs. Humans practice it like birds and dogs practice it. Zen masters for instance, practice it more, or more bold and direct, than your average pedestrian, but it is the same process. Back in Aztec times we got the deep meaning behind the bird games, saw them as vehicle for awakening, and hence we made a big big deal of the Eagle Knights, identifying with the birds, and considered the aggression game sacred, just as birds do, in how they enforce their pecking order.
- Lovers practice it, that is, the mating and seduction games of all species that I have noticed, are in fact part of this process, of awakening and staying awake, at least for long enough to get the job done. I see humans do the right things as they fall in love, and then generally not know how to maintain the initial spark, although it can be maintained if one is aware. There are actual techniques to do this, and because of ignorance, most couples practice out of habit, techniques that dispel energy instead of gathering it. This is visible to me, in how they use their eyes, words and also their consumption habits.
- Hunter-prey games are part of this, that is, in nature there is this deep link between staying present and aware, and staying alive, or at least healthy. Also in human life, staying aware and perceiving deeply, choosing focus correctly, leads to health and various forms of abundance (not necessarily material) whereas falling to sleep, becoming ignorant, generally brings with it some form of decay or loss. Health, finances, relationships, something goes sour if awareness does.
- Playing this game right involves some kind of rest, meditation, stillness, and then explosive expression, movement, activity. Failing to play both swings of the pendulum to their fullest, will lead to the kind of problems we see in humans today. Apathy, sense of emptiness, anger, repression, mood swings, insomnia, allergies and so on. The force of Network is electric, Tao, Prana, Chi, Kundalini, whatever you wish to call it, and so in the human body it has to do with hydration, conductivity, also movement. How active we are in expressing our signals and intent. To the extent we do this, we are more happy. To the extent we don't, we aren't. This to me explains at great length why there would be countries and places of immense material and financial abundance, and yet the people there don't breathe well, frown a lot and smile a little, and they sigh, head full of worries. Electric patterns inside themselves un-analyzed and left to go stale. Trying to fix by pills and alcohol what can only be fixed by other, more personal and direct means
So what I have here is a sort of intuitive "religious practice", a kind of intuitive sacred living, practiced by all beings in creation, human children certainly practice it, and when adult humans practice it they get healthy, happy, and awakened. Child-like and radiant, electrically full On the opposite end of this is the loss of balance, the getting lost in the head, forgetting to breathe, to move and dance, getting disconnected and desynchronized from the big Network outside.
Now anybody still with me? Huge post I know
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