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Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi)
#23781758 - 10/29/16 03:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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In reply to a thread about lesser known ethnobotanicals, some info and a few pics about my sinicuichi plants.
I've always been interested in minor ethnobotanicals, so I got hold of some sinicuichi seeds 2-3 years ago - I believe it was from WSS. I sowed them, and they germinated quite fine. However, I never got a real plant from seed: they died young, can't remember what happened (too much water? Too little? Too much sun? Who knows...)
Seedlings (long time ago, long dead)

So later on, probably the year after, I bought two small rooted plants on eBay. I put them into small container to get acclimated to the new environment and kept them a month or two.
Bought plants in a small pot

When they were happy with the climate, I moved both of them to a largish flower pot.
Same plants a little later in a larger container.

They are still quite happy, growing, flowering and making seeds. Here's a couple of photos I took yesterday to document progress.
My Heimia salicifolia (sinicuichi) today

Fruits (seed pods) are visible. It's not the first time these plants make seed. I've scattered a few seeds randomly in the same pot. That was last year. I don't think I got any seedling - actually, I never checked thoroughly. Maybe I will harvest these seeds and try growing from seed again, just for the heck of it.
I never tried to use my sinicuichi, either. Someday I guess I will, although the procedure of fermenting is a bit offputting. When I get so much time on my hands, I generally prefer to take on more useful ethno jobs
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: globos]
#23781925 - 10/29/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right on man,we don't see too much info on the plant as it is,and not enough people try,or consume this very interesting plant
Mine never flowered this season,maybe because I cut them back nearly to the ground two times,however I made sure to dig up a smaller plant,to overwinter for next season.
I will tell you,this....
Fermenting it isn't bad,just leave a covered jar with water and fresh leaves sitting out in the sun for two days,providing it's warm enough to do so,and by day two it will be ready.
It kind of tastes like a very bitter yellow jujy fruit,but in a good tasty way if this makes since. I could only imagine sugar or honey making this really good
Anyway,I will post pics of mine too,when it warms up todayand anybody interested in growing this out,I can offer rooted cuttings on the marketplace
Thanks for starting this thread buddy,as my original one never took off,so hopefully this one will
At first,I thought this was one of those bunk ethnobotnaical plants,Calea,Coleus,banana peels,etc,but through vast research,and tying it two times myself,I know why the Aztecs considered this a sacred plant.
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Well,mine is flowering now as well Hopefully I'll get mature seed before the freeze on the 14th!
Sorry the wind was blowing,but you can see little buds if you look closely.

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Sowed some seeds in the past, I tried and failed, need to try again.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: mandrin13]
#23834486 - 11/15/16 05:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well Kactus.brand, i asked Now spill some tales of your travels
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Well,believe it or not,I don't consume psychoactive plants/fungus anymore,haven't in well over a decade,nor will I ever again.
Cannabis,the only drug I consume,so if you've wondered why I never chime in on dosages and effects of plants that is why.
However,I had known about Hemia since my experimenting days as a young man,and I always wanted to try it back then.
Well,I had an overabundance growing this season from seeds a member sent me,so I decided to give it a go for science.
I thought what have I got to loose,it probably wont do anything,and if it does,it will be mild enough to where I wont get sick,or freak out. I really only did it too,because I was out of weed,and awaiting a harvest.
Anyway,the effects were total sedation,and euphoria,followed by total muscle weakness all the next day.
My muscles were so weak,in every square inch of my body,that it hurt to move or walk.
All in all,the euphoria,awesome state of well being,and sedation over weighs the muscle weakness I think.
However,like I said my plant experimentation days are over,so I'll never know what else this plant has to offer.
Anything else you'd like to know?
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On a side note,mine is still growing strong!
We have had three frosts,and a super hard freeze,and they are the only outdoor plants that I have alive,everything else froze!
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Cool report. Only other thing i'm curious about was whether there was any visionary aspect since it is sometimes reported
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Nothing visionary,or auditory,but that stuff about recalling childhood events,and recalling vivid events of many years earlier,is true,and even long after taking I still experience these experiences. It's hard to explain it,but it's cool as shit!
I take it back,I may try this again,at an even higher dose to try to catch the auditory hallucinations! Maybe my experimenting days aren't entirely over
https://www.erowid.org/plants/sinicuichi/sinicuichi_faq.shtml
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That's awesome! I'm really intrigued but the side effects some people experience put me off. I wonder if its just a preparation issue. I did read that faq this morning! Didn't seem anyone knew the answer to this issue for sure.
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JacksonMetaller said: That's awesome! I'm really intrigued but the side effects some people experience put me off. I wonder if its just a preparation issue. I did read that faq this morning! Didn't seem anyone knew the answer to this issue for sure.
Yeah man,you just need tog row you some out and give it a go!
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How was it consumed kactusbrand?
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: saythatagain]
#23839330 - 11/16/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I let a covered quart jar full of leaves and water ferment in the summer sun for two days,and I strained and drank the resulting gold tea.
It was really bitter,but bearable,and made a enough tea to where I woke up the next morning and drank the rest.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: globos]
#23839984 - 11/16/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find that it potentiates other ethnos, even to the point of side effects and overdose, and it's self-potentiating, when taken via two routes of ingestion -- a smoke and a drink, simultaneously.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
#23842238 - 11/17/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I found this...
According to numerous people a few year old specimen can easily tolerate -10 C up to -15 C in a spot with full sun, moderate/good drainage and sheltered against wind. right now it seems somewhat like rosemary or lavender in its needs only difference is that it blooms way longer from mid spring to early / mid autumn.
reason i got this plant is because of its psychoactive and medicinal effects. according to science it contains multiple compounds that are anti-inflammatory and inhibits prostglandin 2 or 3 times better than aspirin. other effects are sedating , anxiolytic, anti depressant effects and memory enhancement ( probably due to action on acetylcholine ).
i have smoked dried leaves a few times and it does create a very mild high , more in the sense of calming and anti anxiety effects not so much in the recreational department. i could sleep better and when i just lay on the couch late night my body became really tired and heavy it's very relaxing. i also notice that i could remember things that i have forgotten , lost memories of many years ago so its somewhat nootropic.
according to native indians its either put in water and fermented in the sun for 24 hours and consumed OR smoked with yerba mate. i can vouch for the last combination, it really works and it tasted and smells really good. Right now its in my top 20 list of most important medicinal plants. I am still excited by its medicinal qualities and i suspect is has inhibiting or stabilizing action on mast cells. i found that i works better when smoked or vaped, i personally like to mix it with nicotiana glauca.-----------------------
The part about remembering things that one has forgotten,lost memories of many years ago,is totally spot on!
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Now I just need a plant. This thread was more informative than all of erowid.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: saythatagain]
#23844090 - 11/18/16 03:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm glad there are more people interested in this plant,and just to make sure I have some for next season,I went out,and dug up another small rooted plant to overwinter,since I don't think mine will flower and set seed before it gets too cold.
Although it's cold hardiness seems like it will overwinter in my grow zone to return next season,I'm not taking any chances.
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Most plants are better than aspirin Maybe i'm just a cynic but i tend to hold most pharmaceuticals as a low bar to cross once you get into the world of botanical medicines. But still i am interested in seeing how this one works for you! I have an ungodly amount of inflammatory diseases so im always interested in this topic
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I quickly achieved a tolerance to smoking it, which, at first, results in a mild, easily-manageable high.
If you're healthy, and not mixing it with anything, it's safe, so far as I can tell you, anecdotally. I am large and sturdy.
Mixing it seems to cause the problems, for me.
But, I can't speak for anyone else's tolerances.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
#23850625 - 11/20/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Got another really hard freeze last night,low 20's,and my Hemia is still standing like a champ!!!
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It's a strong plant indeed 
It seldom gets freezing here - just once in several years - but my sinicuichi survived several horribly wet winters, with temperatures that get down to +4 (39 F). I keep my pot under cover, just to avoid the cold air from above burning the shoots.
If it freezes often in your area, you might want to put it under a shed or something. A cellophane sheet could also work (I use it for my nepenthes), as long as it's open at the bottom. Air circulation helps to prevent fungi, molds and other nasty things.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: globos]
#23984079 - 01/05/17 02:31 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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I don't like reviving ddead threads, but... I finally got some seedlings. I dumpes the rest of the powder WSS sent in a sealed pasteurized hermetic jar, same way I growbvery sensitive tiny cactus seedlings like blossfeldia and aztekium. It took a few weeks but now I'm seeing some tiny little stalks. When should I open up the jars? They look very fragile.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: saythatagain]
#23998067 - 01/10/17 12:16 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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If you manage to grow Aztekium and the like by seed, I think you have a good chance of pulling this off too. Just open a little at a time, so the seedlings can get used to decreasing humidity. I haven't managed to grow Sinicuichi from seed, but I only tried once as a newbie, and I know it's feasible, so don't despair and just act naturally ;-)
I don't think your post counts as reviving a dead thread, by the way.
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This winter we had freezing weather. A bucket of water left outside made a thick layer of ice (2-3 fingers thick). And my sinicuichi didn't give a single f***! It thrived on, and did its thing in spring/summer, and it still has some flowers! And lots of seeds. Maybe I should harvest them? ;-)
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: globos]
#24752615 - 11/01/17 04:03 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I have like three plants, about six inches tall. Still in the jar. Slow growers.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: JayWise]
#24828661 - 12/05/17 07:08 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nt a bad problem to have! I still have one growing in about an inch of soil in a mason jar that I’m scared to transplant.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: saythatagain]
#24829681 - 12/06/17 10:42 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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This has many of the same rules as normal transplanting, but it happens, in miniature. Micro-transplanting. (My made-up word)
If it is accessible to you, particularly, in the moist time of year, grow some live moss, using compost tea, under a humidity dome, under cool, dappled lighting. It is it's own, loose growing medium, and has anti-microbial properties as well as beneficial bacteria associations.
Remove the seedlings with a point of a bamboo bbq skewer and water sprayer. Sometimes, teeny tiny seedlings will adhere to a water droplet, on your homemade stylus.
You might collect them, in a large table spoon, with a dribble of water, on the bottom.
Plant the seedlings, approx 1" apart, under the new humidity dome. Just brush it off, into the moss. Spray it off, taking care to touch it, minimally.
Lift the dome, once daily (strict, necessary), to spray new mist. This has been called "belching" it. The intention is to remove stale air, and, if you're doing this correctly -- if it is a healthy, old bed of moss -- a thick, boggy stench is going to come from the container.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
#24829809 - 12/06/17 12:01 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting plant but the potential painful neuro / auditory sensations I have read about are something I never ever with to experience. As far as oneirogens go, I think there are other interesting ones out there - best of all is the sound of galantamine though and yes that is a chem not a plant.
Good job on growing this species! I don't plan on ingesting most of my ethnobotanicals so it's not that important to yield something 
Funny btw how the tiny seedlings look like weeds you get when you sow stuff outside (here at least).. just generic i guess.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: JayWise]
#24831874 - 12/07/17 12:21 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can someone please explain these painful symptoms?
Will be researching it, shortly.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
#24831901 - 12/07/17 12:32 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Apparently some people experience muscle aches the next day. Some people don't though from the reports. I still haven't tried any of the sinicuichi I harvested because of these reports too, gotta buck up and just go for it I guess.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
#24831905 - 12/07/17 12:36 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I felt that combining Heimia with other drugs potentiated it, and resulted in side effects, but did not experience physical pain.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
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durian_2008 said: I felt that combining Heimia with other drugs potentiated it, and resulted in side effects, but did not experience physical pain.
Thanks for the report, can I ask what method you used to ingest it?
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
#24831931 - 12/07/17 12:46 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because it was smokeable, I have combined it with careful amounts of: ordinary, cured tobacco rustica and ptobre, cured and uncured. (These may contain harmal alkaloids, known to be MAOI's.)
Because it is oneirogenic, with Calea.
Also, in a pipe where mj and salvia had been used.
Effects were far less, in controlled conditions, but with no side effects.
I understand that taking Heimia, in fermented tea and as a smoke, potentiates itself, through two simultaneous routes of ingestion, but have not tried that method. The amount used, was not tee totalling, imo. Natives had supposedly said to use one handful. They are either using heroic doses, or just mean to say that they are clasping some, in their hand. I don't know what it means, but it seems like a risky way to experiment, due to the large amount.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
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Not necessarily the next day, this is a report by a buddy: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=40382
I was mistaken about it being an oneirogen and made that mistake years ago too.. just a mixup.
Calea is definitely oneirogenic, I tried that... no idea if there is any evidence or reports to suggest that Sinicuichi potentiates it. Maybe be careful about mixing this stuff, combinations make everything more unpredictable and can do unknown things for the risk of side-effects.
Interesting if fermentation relieves that! I wonder which of the alkaloids is supposed to be converted by that... I'm sure it could be figured out, on Erowid (as well as other places) you can check which have what effects - there seems to be a whole spectrum of effects on the body though not all necessarily seem to be directly noticeable.
In any case, I do find this plant fascinating. I wasn't able to get good auditory effects from DiPT (which I would much prefer to try again) but I think it's amazing and wonder about the undiscovered medicinal potential, for say treating tinnitus. Who knows though, may make it worse. Anything to disrupt endless feedback loops should be good though.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: Solipsis]
#24831951 - 12/07/17 12:52 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have complained, when people on erowid used lots of different synthetics, in their trip reports, confounding the results, but I am guilty of doing the same basic thing, with herbs.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
#24832014 - 12/07/17 01:23 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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If fermentation alleviates the pains then I believe what could be causing the pains is the plant containing oxalic acid or other oxalates. Oxalates cause muscle and joint pains, and the bacteria responsible for fermentation will eat those.
That's why sceletium (which has a lot more research done on it) is often fermented. With sceletium it was also found that thorough crushing of the plant matter reduces oxalic acid significantly. Could be worth trying to mash some fresh sinicuichi and/or ferment it. I'd probably just ferment fresh leaf matter without water and dry it afterwards because a glass of fermented heimia sounds pretty bad.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
#24832031 - 12/07/17 01:28 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is being speculative, here. Not speaking from experience, in this post -- I don't know whether it has any effect on nausea, but some teas are fermented, in the same way as a tobacco. In other words, slowly, under controlled humidity.
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Solipsis said: I was mistaken about it being an oneirogen and made that mistake years ago too.. just a mixup.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
#24851468 - 12/17/17 10:42 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have a pack of seeds myself, but about a year old. Would they still germinate?
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: purplegills]
#24855806 - 12/19/17 12:42 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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It matters how the vendor, the post office, and you have kept them.
If I had picked those from my own bush, and put them in some cool, dark, dry drawer, I would have complete confidence.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
#24856888 - 12/20/17 02:00 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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On my end, cool, dark, dry since I received them (8-9 months ago). I'll give them a try soon.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: purplegills]
#25347792 - 07/26/18 09:52 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hard to find information on how to grow this little plant. I was gifted a few but they've barely grown at all in a month and a half. Everything in my home grows like weed... normally, that is... They're ca 7-10cm tall now (3-4 in). Are they going to speed up, or am I doing something wrong?
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: purplegills]
#25347832 - 07/26/18 10:16 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hmm that's weird it grows extremely fast usually. What size pot is it in, and do you have it in full sun? Please post a pic of your plant.
I bought a small cutting in April of last year:

And here's what it looks like now, about 2m tall including pot.

It was about the same size before winter, there was quite a bit of dieback.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
#25347883 - 07/26/18 10:44 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have no pictures at the moment. I have five of them and they're in small pots. In fact, I just separated them a few days ago so right now they're recovering indoors. When I received them I just put them in the same pot because they were so small. Perhaps that was a mistake. So it's five probably 8cm pots now.
Full sun, yes.
Is there anything you don't grow, MeanGreen?
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: purplegills] 1
#25347939 - 07/26/18 11:25 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha yeah man, plenty of stuff I want to grow but don't have I try lots of plants but only keep the ones that do well enough in my environment.
Give them some root space, water and sun and I'm sure you'll have big bushes by next year.
I have yet to try the sinicuichi extract I made like 3 months ago... I really need to get over the fear of those muscle pains people often report.

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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
#25347949 - 07/26/18 11:33 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd try it 
Here, I took some pictures. They were smaller, much smaller.

I think I may have detected one f*ckup. I think I didn't water them nearly enough. And since they never wilt, I didn't know. I also didn't fertilize at all. I'm reading up on them now... I'm reading they can take as much water as you can give them, assuming the soil drains well. ARGH, wasted time!
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
#25347976 - 07/26/18 11:41 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I started my plants three years ago from seed, and they have since grown into bushes that come back every year, even with the hard freezes we get during the winter. I have tried and tried to cut them back, and keep them form overtaking my Coleus, but they can't be stopped! They are really easy to grow, but after germination, they will grow really slow for quite a while, at first, then out of nowhere they just take off!
I tried it last season, and the stuff actually works! You have a feeling of well being, and a euphoria that is comparable to opiates. Plus the recalling of memories, from with the womb, the crazy dreams, and some awesome after effects can be felt weeks later! the only problem is, the muscle cramps and aches. They hurt bad, and you feel like you were forced to run 50 mile marathon non stop with no rest! It's really bad, and it hurts to move any part of your body. If you stay very still, and relax, it' bearable, and the other effects are fantastic, but I'm not so sure if I will ever try it again, because of the fear of those muscle aches, and cramps.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: KannaKris]
#25347983 - 07/26/18 11:45 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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KannaKris,
1) Do you get muscle pains when prepared as advised (fermented in the sun)?
2) Would my seedlings still qualify for "very slow in the beginning"?
3) Can you direct your attention while recalling early childhood memories? Can you focus? The reason I started to grow this plant is because I had a traumatized childhood with a lot of shit I'm processing these last 2 years or so. I want to remember stuff. I basically have no memories from before 12-13 yo.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: purplegills] 1
#25347984 - 07/26/18 11:46 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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purplegills said: I'd try it 
Here, I took some pictures. They were smaller, much smaller.

I think I may have detected one f*ckup. I think I didn't water them nearly enough. And since they never wilt, I didn't know. I also didn't fertilize at all. I'm reading up on them now... I'm reading they can take as much water as you can give them, assuming the soil drains well. ARGH, wasted time!
Those look great! One thing I've found, is that they can handle no water for long periods of time. It hasn't rained here in weeks, plus we have had temps in the 90's every day, and it doesn't even phase them! If you have a suitable outdoor place, I would go ahead, and put them in the ground. You will notice stellar results shortly after
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: KannaKris]
#25347992 - 07/26/18 11:50 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Before separating them, I hadn't watered them for over 2 weeks and they were outside in the scorching sun. In one rather small pot. I'm not sure how I was expecting them to grow .
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: purplegills] 1
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purplegills said: KannaKris,
1) Do you get muscle pains when prepared as advised (fermented in the sun)?
2) Would my seedlings still qualify for "very slow in the beginning"?
3) Can you direct your attention while recalling early childhood memories? Can you focus? The reason I started to grow this plant is because I had a traumatized upbringing with a lot of shit I'm processing these last 2 years or so. I want to remember stuff. I basically have no memories from before 12-13 yo.
1. I fermented mine in a glass mason jar for one full day, and part of the next in full sun.
2. Yes, but yours are getting to the stage where they should start taking off. I topped all mine to make them bushy, or they will grow tall and lanky.
3. I feel for ya buddy, I can remember things from back when I was a toddler. This part is actually hard to explain, but I know that this will probably help you to unlock past memories. I can't really explain how it works, but it does 100 percent
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: purplegills]
#25347998 - 07/26/18 11:51 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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purplegills said: Before separating them, I hadn't watered them for over 2 weeks and they were outside in the scorching sun. In one rather small pot. I'm not sure how I was expecting them to grow .
Yep, they are indestructible!
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: KannaKris]
#25348011 - 07/26/18 11:56 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow, that's hardcore if you get cramps despite fermenting. I've been reading for a few hours now and found that many people who got cramps just made a tea without fermenting it.
Another comment I remember reading a long time ago was that the cramps might correlate with being hypersensitive to certain anti-malaria compounds. This herb has historically been used against malaria...
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: purplegills]
#25348018 - 07/26/18 11:59 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I've read all the information that could ever be written about this plant, and it's a very underrated herb! Someone just needs to find out how to illiminate the cramps ,and it will be all gravy
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: KannaKris]
#25348020 - 07/26/18 12:00 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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If it helps me recall childhood memories I'll probably use it even if I cramp for a week.
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#25348037 - 07/26/18 12:09 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, from what I remember I used it the first day, and it was really good! I don't even recall the cramps, or they were just not bad. Well, I awoke the next morning feeling awesome, and I had a huge cup of tea still left in the fridge. Well, I drank that, and the cramps started later on that day. I was pretty inebriated, and felt so good, but those darn cramps made it impossible to get up and move. I think I'm going to try it again soon, cramps or not. Those feeling you get from it are unlike anything that I've ever experienced, and they persist for weeks after. I mean, when you recall the past event, it feels just like the day it happened to you, right down to the sensations and feelings you got as a kid! It's hard to explain. One must just partake in the Sinicuichi, and then it will all be revealed to you
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: KannaKris]
#25348042 - 07/26/18 12:10 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks so much. Really intrigued. Makes sense to get dried stuff until these babies grow?
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: purplegills]
#25348043 - 07/26/18 12:10 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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KannaKris, did you consume it as a tea or did you smoke some? I'm kinda hoping the smoking route doesn't cause the cramps, I think from the erowid reports I didn't see any where cramps were reported and the ROI was smoking.
When I try my extract I'll probably try to roll a joint mixed with tobacco. Seems like it would be safer for a first try, the effects should be more immediate and you can manage your dose more easily by smoking more or less tokes.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
#25348057 - 07/26/18 12:23 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Someone claims kratom killed the cramps...
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
#25348071 - 07/26/18 12:30 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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... first try, the effects should be more immediate and you can manage your dose more easily by smoking more or less tokes.
You got that huge bush and you never tried it... sounds like me with the Sallies and the - by now - heaps of dried leaves
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: purplegills]
#25348092 - 07/26/18 12:40 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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purplegills said: Thanks so much. Really intrigued. Makes sense to get dried stuff until these babies grow?
No problem! You never know what you're getting with dried stuff, so I'd be cautious. I think most of the effects are brought on by fresh leaf.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
#25348097 - 07/26/18 12:43 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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MeanGreen said: KannaKris, did you consume it as a tea or did you smoke some? I'm kinda hoping the smoking route doesn't cause the cramps, I think from the erowid reports I didn't see any where cramps were reported and the ROI was smoking.
When I try my extract I'll probably try to roll a joint mixed with tobacco. Seems like it would be safer for a first try, the effects should be more immediate and you can manage your dose more easily by smoking more or less tokes.
I actually first tried it about 10 years ago by smoking. I got absolutely nothing from that route, but then again, who knows how old mine was. I acquired it in a trade. Please do report the effects if you do smoke the extract! Inquiring minds want to know, like me
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: purplegills]
#25348099 - 07/26/18 12:44 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hmm, maybe you should try a mixture of the two?
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: KannaKris]
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Hmm, maybe you should try a mixture of the two?
Well, I have no kratom. I just put it here for everyone else's viewing pleasure and careful consideration
I'll try Heimia alone, if and when my babies get big enough. I assume that even with five of them it's safe to say it won't be this year...
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: purplegills]
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... first try, the effects should be more immediate and you can manage your dose more easily by smoking more or less tokes.
You got that huge bush and you never tried it... sounds like me with the Sallies and the - by now - heaps of dried leaves 
Haha yeah, the cramps fear is too strong. I'm kinda the same with Sally too, I got huge bags of leaves but rarely partake. It was my first psychedelic after marijuana as a kid though, so I have a lot of respect for it. Next time I try it I want to chew fresh leaves.
If you've never ever tried Salvia, you really should pack a fat bowl of leaf right now! All you have to lose is 5min of your time, and it's very hard to get to scary places with just plain leaf.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
#25348131 - 07/26/18 01:05 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I did have threshold experiences twice, by chewing fresh leaf.
I have enough leaf to chew much more but I somehow haven't been ready to really go for it yet, like I actually mean it... Taste is not an issue... I've had much more vile tasting things in my life (San Pedro comes to my mind), so, technically I could chew Sally leaves day in day out. But I'm a bit reluctant to do it just yet.
I haven't even thought of smoking it yet either because 1) I have nothing to smoke it with and 2) I'm not sure how I feel about burning something sacred. To me it's just wrong. Actually, plain rude . For now anyway...
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: purplegills]
#25348133 - 07/26/18 01:11 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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purplegills said: Someone claims kratom killed the cramps...
Hmm, maybe you should try a mixture of the two?
I'll try Heimia alone, if and when my babies get big enough. I assume that even with five of them it's safe to say it won't be this year...
Well, I know, I still have a good three or more months left in my growing season. What zone are you in? You may have enough time to get them big enough for at least one trip.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: KannaKris]
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Well, I know, I still have a good three or more months left in my growing season. What zone are you in? You may have enough time to get them big enough for at least one trip.
Days get short rather fast on my latitude. I think I have until September. I'd expect frost probably end of October, and hard frost in November. Very few daylight hours in October already.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: purplegills]
#25348164 - 07/26/18 01:31 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, thta's exactly how it works here too!
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: KannaKris]
#25348168 - 07/26/18 01:35 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had about 40 sprouts come up 5 days ago, now dead. I have no clue what I did wrong unless it's just to damn hot 95 today.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: HappyHigh]
#25348180 - 07/26/18 01:40 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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If thy were new sprouts, then it was likely the heat sadly.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
#25352825 - 07/28/18 06:52 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Solipsis said: I was mistaken about it being an oneirogen and made that mistake years ago too.. just a mixup.
For dream recall.
Some had said that they could recall memories, from with the womb.
That's cool but I'm claustrophobic, hence the C-section
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: Solipsis]
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