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globos
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It's a strong plant indeed 
It seldom gets freezing here - just once in several years - but my sinicuichi survived several horribly wet winters, with temperatures that get down to +4 (39 F). I keep my pot under cover, just to avoid the cold air from above burning the shoots.
If it freezes often in your area, you might want to put it under a shed or something. A cellophane sheet could also work (I use it for my nepenthes), as long as it's open at the bottom. Air circulation helps to prevent fungi, molds and other nasty things.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: globos]
#23984079 - 01/05/17 02:31 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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I don't like reviving ddead threads, but... I finally got some seedlings. I dumpes the rest of the powder WSS sent in a sealed pasteurized hermetic jar, same way I growbvery sensitive tiny cactus seedlings like blossfeldia and aztekium. It took a few weeks but now I'm seeing some tiny little stalks. When should I open up the jars? They look very fragile.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: saythatagain]
#23998067 - 01/10/17 12:16 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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If you manage to grow Aztekium and the like by seed, I think you have a good chance of pulling this off too. Just open a little at a time, so the seedlings can get used to decreasing humidity. I haven't managed to grow Sinicuichi from seed, but I only tried once as a newbie, and I know it's feasible, so don't despair and just act naturally ;-)
I don't think your post counts as reviving a dead thread, by the way.
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This winter we had freezing weather. A bucket of water left outside made a thick layer of ice (2-3 fingers thick). And my sinicuichi didn't give a single f***! It thrived on, and did its thing in spring/summer, and it still has some flowers! And lots of seeds. Maybe I should harvest them? ;-)
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: globos]
#24752615 - 11/01/17 04:03 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I have like three plants, about six inches tall. Still in the jar. Slow growers.
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#24828367 - 12/05/17 04:47 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: JayWise]
#24828661 - 12/05/17 07:08 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nt a bad problem to have! I still have one growing in about an inch of soil in a mason jar that I’m scared to transplant.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: saythatagain]
#24829681 - 12/06/17 10:42 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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This has many of the same rules as normal transplanting, but it happens, in miniature. Micro-transplanting. (My made-up word)
If it is accessible to you, particularly, in the moist time of year, grow some live moss, using compost tea, under a humidity dome, under cool, dappled lighting. It is it's own, loose growing medium, and has anti-microbial properties as well as beneficial bacteria associations.
Remove the seedlings with a point of a bamboo bbq skewer and water sprayer. Sometimes, teeny tiny seedlings will adhere to a water droplet, on your homemade stylus.
You might collect them, in a large table spoon, with a dribble of water, on the bottom.
Plant the seedlings, approx 1" apart, under the new humidity dome. Just brush it off, into the moss. Spray it off, taking care to touch it, minimally.
Lift the dome, once daily (strict, necessary), to spray new mist. This has been called "belching" it. The intention is to remove stale air, and, if you're doing this correctly -- if it is a healthy, old bed of moss -- a thick, boggy stench is going to come from the container.
( And, send some my way, once it can withstand shipping.)
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
#24829809 - 12/06/17 12:01 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting plant but the potential painful neuro / auditory sensations I have read about are something I never ever with to experience. As far as oneirogens go, I think there are other interesting ones out there - best of all is the sound of galantamine though and yes that is a chem not a plant.
Good job on growing this species! I don't plan on ingesting most of my ethnobotanicals so it's not that important to yield something 
Funny btw how the tiny seedlings look like weeds you get when you sow stuff outside (here at least).. just generic i guess.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: JayWise]
#24831874 - 12/07/17 12:21 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can someone please explain these painful symptoms?
Will be researching it, shortly.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
#24831901 - 12/07/17 12:32 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Apparently some people experience muscle aches the next day. Some people don't though from the reports. I still haven't tried any of the sinicuichi I harvested because of these reports too, gotta buck up and just go for it I guess.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
#24831905 - 12/07/17 12:36 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I felt that combining Heimia with other drugs potentiated it, and resulted in side effects, but did not experience physical pain.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
#24831908 - 12/07/17 12:37 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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durian_2008 said: I felt that combining Heimia with other drugs potentiated it, and resulted in side effects, but did not experience physical pain.
Thanks for the report, can I ask what method you used to ingest it?
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
#24831931 - 12/07/17 12:46 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because it was smokeable, I have combined it with careful amounts of: ordinary, cured tobacco rustica and ptobre, cured and uncured. (These may contain harmal alkaloids, known to be MAOI's.)
Because it is oneirogenic, with Calea.
Also, in a pipe where mj and salvia had been used.
Effects were far less, in controlled conditions, but with no side effects.
I understand that taking Heimia, in fermented tea and as a smoke, potentiates itself, through two simultaneous routes of ingestion, but have not tried that method. The amount used, was not tee totalling, imo. Natives had supposedly said to use one handful. They are either using heroic doses, or just mean to say that they are clasping some, in their hand. I don't know what it means, but it seems like a risky way to experiment, due to the large amount.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
#24831943 - 12/07/17 12:49 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not necessarily the next day, this is a report by a buddy: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=40382
I was mistaken about it being an oneirogen and made that mistake years ago too.. just a mixup.
Calea is definitely oneirogenic, I tried that... no idea if there is any evidence or reports to suggest that Sinicuichi potentiates it. Maybe be careful about mixing this stuff, combinations make everything more unpredictable and can do unknown things for the risk of side-effects.
Interesting if fermentation relieves that! I wonder which of the alkaloids is supposed to be converted by that... I'm sure it could be figured out, on Erowid (as well as other places) you can check which have what effects - there seems to be a whole spectrum of effects on the body though not all necessarily seem to be directly noticeable.
In any case, I do find this plant fascinating. I wasn't able to get good auditory effects from DiPT (which I would much prefer to try again) but I think it's amazing and wonder about the undiscovered medicinal potential, for say treating tinnitus. Who knows though, may make it worse. Anything to disrupt endless feedback loops should be good though.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: Solipsis]
#24831951 - 12/07/17 12:52 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have complained, when people on erowid used lots of different synthetics, in their trip reports, confounding the results, but I am guilty of doing the same basic thing, with herbs.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
#24832014 - 12/07/17 01:23 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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If fermentation alleviates the pains then I believe what could be causing the pains is the plant containing oxalic acid or other oxalates. Oxalates cause muscle and joint pains, and the bacteria responsible for fermentation will eat those.
That's why sceletium (which has a lot more research done on it) is often fermented. With sceletium it was also found that thorough crushing of the plant matter reduces oxalic acid significantly. Could be worth trying to mash some fresh sinicuichi and/or ferment it. I'd probably just ferment fresh leaf matter without water and dry it afterwards because a glass of fermented heimia sounds pretty bad.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: MeanGreen]
#24832031 - 12/07/17 01:28 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is being speculative, here. Not speaking from experience, in this post -- I don't know whether it has any effect on nausea, but some teas are fermented, in the same way as a tobacco. In other words, slowly, under controlled humidity.
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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: Solipsis]
#24832064 - 12/07/17 01:43 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Solipsis said: I was mistaken about it being an oneirogen and made that mistake years ago too.. just a mixup.
For dream recall.
Some had said that they could recall memories, from with the womb.
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