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Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi)
    #23781758 - 10/29/16 03:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to a thread about lesser known ethnobotanicals, some info and a few pics about my sinicuichi plants.

I've always been interested in minor ethnobotanicals, so I got hold of some sinicuichi seeds 2-3 years ago - I believe it was from WSS. I sowed them, and they germinated quite fine. However, I never got a real plant from seed: they died young, can't remember what happened (too much water? Too little? Too much sun? Who knows...)

Seedlings (long time ago, long dead)
 


So later on, probably the year after, I bought two small rooted plants on eBay. I put them into small container to get acclimated to the new environment and kept them a month or two.

Bought plants in a small pot


When they were happy with the climate, I moved both of them to a largish flower pot.

Same plants a little later in a larger container.


They are still quite happy, growing, flowering and making seeds. Here's a couple of photos I took yesterday to document progress.

My Heimia salicifolia (sinicuichi) today
 

Fruits (seed pods) are visible. It's not the first time these plants make seed. I've scattered a few seeds randomly in the same pot. That was last year. I don't think I got any seedling - actually, I never checked thoroughly. Maybe I will harvest these seeds and try growing from seed again, just for the heck of it.

I never tried to use my sinicuichi, either. Someday I guess I will, although the procedure of fermenting is a bit offputting. When I get so much time on my hands, I generally prefer to take on more useful ethno jobs :smile:


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: globos]
    #23781925 - 10/29/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Right on man,we don't see too much info on the plant as it is,and not enough people try,or consume this very interesting plant:cool:

Mine never flowered this season,maybe because I cut them back nearly to the ground two times,however I made sure to dig up a smaller plant,to overwinter for next season.

I will tell you,this....

Fermenting it isn't bad,just leave a covered jar with water and fresh leaves sitting out in the sun for two days,providing it's warm enough to do so,and by day two it will be ready.

It kind of tastes like a very bitter yellow jujy fruit,but in a good tasty way if this makes since.
I could only imagine sugar or honey making this really good:yesnod:

Anyway,I will post pics of mine too,when it warms up todayand anybody interested in growing this out,I can offer rooted cuttings on the marketplace:thumbup:

Thanks for starting this thread buddy,as my original one never took off,so hopefully this one will:awethumb:

At first,I thought this was one of those bunk ethnobotnaical plants,Calea,Coleus,banana peels,etc,but through vast research,and tying it two times myself,I know why the Aztecs considered this a sacred plant.


Edited by kactus.brand.g (10/29/16 10:42 AM)


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23797639 - 11/03/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well,mine is flowering now as well:excited:
Hopefully I'll get mature seed before the freeze on the 14th!

Sorry the wind was blowing,but you can see little buds if you look closely.





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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23797774 - 11/03/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sowed some seeds in the past, I tried and failed, need to try again.


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: mandrin13]
    #23834486 - 11/15/16 05:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well Kactus.brand, i asked :wink: Now spill some tales of your travels


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23834529 - 11/15/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well,believe it or not,I don't consume psychoactive plants/fungus anymore,haven't in well over a decade,nor will I ever again.

Cannabis,the only drug I consume,so if you've wondered why I never chime in on dosages and effects of plants that is why.

However,I had known about Hemia since my experimenting days as a young man,and I always wanted to try it back then.

Well,I had an overabundance growing this season from seeds a member sent me,so I decided to give it a go for science.

I thought what have I got to loose,it probably wont do anything,and if it does,it will be mild enough to where I wont get sick,or freak out.
I really only did it too,because I was out of weed,and awaiting a harvest.

Anyway,the effects were total sedation,and euphoria,followed by total muscle weakness all the next day.

My muscles were so weak,in every square inch of my body,that it hurt to move or walk.

All in all,the euphoria,awesome state of well being,and sedation over weighs the muscle weakness I think.

However,like I said my plant experimentation days are over,so I'll never know what else this plant has to offer.

Anything else you'd like to know?


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23834531 - 11/15/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

On a side note,mine is still growing strong!

We have had three frosts,and a super hard freeze,and they are the only outdoor plants that I have alive,everything else froze!


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23834636 - 11/15/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Cool report. Only other thing i'm curious about was whether there was any visionary aspect since it is sometimes reported


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23834816 - 11/15/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nothing visionary,or auditory,but that stuff about recalling childhood events,and recalling vivid events of many years earlier,is true,and even long after taking I still experience these experiences.
It's hard to explain it,but it's cool as shit!

I take it back,I may try this again,at an even higher dose to try to catch the auditory hallucinations!
Maybe my experimenting days aren't entirely over:wink:

https://www.erowid.org/plants/sinicuichi/sinicuichi_faq.shtml


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23835864 - 11/15/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's awesome! I'm really intrigued but the side effects some people experience put me off. I wonder if its just a preparation issue. I did read that faq this morning! Didn't seem anyone knew the answer to this issue for sure.


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23837661 - 11/16/16 03:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

JacksonMetaller said:
That's awesome! I'm really intrigued but the side effects some people experience put me off. I wonder if its just a preparation issue. I did read that faq this morning! Didn't seem anyone knew the answer to this issue for sure.




Yeah man,you just need tog row you some out and give it a go!


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23839233 - 11/16/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How was it consumed kactusbrand?


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: saythatagain]
    #23839330 - 11/16/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I let a covered quart jar full of leaves and water ferment in the summer sun for two days,and I strained and drank the resulting gold tea.

It was really bitter,but bearable,and made a enough tea to where I woke up the next morning and drank the rest.


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: globos]
    #23839984 - 11/16/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I find that it potentiates other ethnos, even to the point of side effects and overdose, and it's self-potentiating, when taken via two routes of ingestion -- a smoke and a drink, simultaneously.


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
    #23842238 - 11/17/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I found this...

According to numerous people a few year old specimen can easily tolerate -10 C up to -15 C in a spot with full sun, moderate/good drainage and sheltered against wind. right now it seems somewhat like rosemary or lavender in its needs only difference is that it blooms way longer from mid spring to early / mid autumn.

reason i got this plant is because of its psychoactive and medicinal effects. according to science it contains multiple compounds that are anti-inflammatory and inhibits prostglandin 2 or 3 times better than aspirin. other effects are sedating , anxiolytic, anti depressant effects and memory enhancement ( probably due to action on acetylcholine ).

i have smoked dried leaves a few times and it does create a very mild high , more in the sense of calming and anti anxiety effects not so much in the recreational department. i could sleep better and when i just lay on the couch late night my body became really tired and heavy it's very relaxing. i also notice that i could remember things that i have forgotten , lost memories of many years ago so its somewhat nootropic.

according to native indians its either put in water and fermented in the sun for 24 hours and consumed OR smoked with yerba mate. i can vouch for the last combination, it really works and it tasted and smells really good. Right now its in my top 20 list of most important medicinal plants.
I am still excited by its medicinal qualities and i suspect is has inhibiting or stabilizing action on mast cells. i found that i works better when smoked or vaped, i personally like to mix it with nicotiana glauca.-----------------------


The part about remembering things that one has forgotten,lost memories of many years ago,is totally spot on!


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23842917 - 11/17/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Now I just need a plant. This thread was more informative than all of erowid.


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: saythatagain]
    #23844090 - 11/18/16 03:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm glad there are more people interested in this plant,and just to make sure I have some for next season,I went out,and dug up another small rooted plant to overwinter,since I don't think mine will flower and set seed before it gets too cold.

Although it's cold hardiness seems like it will overwinter in my grow zone to return next season,I'm not taking any chances.



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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23844154 - 11/18/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Most plants are better than aspirin :lol: Maybe i'm just a cynic but i tend to hold most pharmaceuticals as a low bar to cross once you get into the world of botanical medicines. But still i am interested in seeing how this one works for you! I have an ungodly amount of inflammatory diseases so im always interested in this topic


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23845097 - 11/18/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I quickly achieved a tolerance to smoking it, which, at first, results in a mild, easily-manageable high.

If you're healthy, and not mixing it with anything, it's safe, so far as I can tell you, anecdotally. I am large and sturdy.

Mixing it seems to cause the problems, for me.

But, I can't speak for anyone else's tolerances.


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Re: Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) [Re: durian_2008]
    #23850625 - 11/20/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Got another really hard freeze last night,low 20's,and my Hemia is still standing like a champ!!!


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