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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: musiclover420]
#23785878 - 10/30/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know there is plenty of ground for figurative thinking and philosophy, in these discussions.
But, speaking as an animist... I am saying it may contain a hostile spirit.
I know it's not said that way, in scientific literature, but these people are going on vision quests, and all.
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: musiclover420]
#23785897 - 10/30/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Right, and Vice's several previous articles over the years discussing and essentially encouraging millenials to try it for themselves hasn't encouraged this problem at all. Fuck Vice.
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: morrowasted]
#23785935 - 10/30/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: I know there is plenty of ground for figurative thinking and philosophy, in these discussions.
But, speaking as an animist... I am saying it may contain a hostile spirit.
I know it's not said that way, in scientific literature, but these people are going on vision quests, and all.
That is silly logic, comes across as a fear of the unknown plain and simple. Psychedelics channel the spirit of the universe I would say.
So any hostile energy you may pick up on is probably coming from you I would say 
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morrowasted said: Right, and Vice's several previous articles over the years discussing and essentially encouraging millenials to try it for themselves hasn't encouraged this problem at all. Fuck Vice.
By that logic anyone discussing the benefits of Aya online is to blame as it may have encouraged others to try it...
Once again I don't see a problem here. If DMT was legal we wouldn't need the jungle plants even and there would be almost no downside of this.
In Brazil they have been giving Aya to prisoners as an attempt at rehabilitation so why should we keep it from the next generation?
If anything its our responsibility to make sure the younger generation takes it seriously and is safe/ respectful should they choose to partake.
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: musiclover420]
#23786408 - 10/30/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was being sarcastic
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: musiclover420]
#23786564 - 10/30/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Psychedelics channel the spirit of the universe I would say.
I believe in a version of karma.
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: durian_2008]
#23786627 - 10/30/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Psychedelics channel the spirit of the universe I would say.
I believe in a version of karma.
Yes I do too, which is why any stupid millennials that do aya and don't respect it or take it seriously are going to get a serious cosmic bitch slap.
That may be just what they need to wake up
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: musiclover420]
#23786679 - 10/30/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're not a millennial?
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: Ran-D]
#23786705 - 10/30/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: You're not a millennial?
I am post millennial I guess I also have never done traditional aya and am not in any rush to head to the jungle to do so 
I have started growing caapi though and hope to eventually have my own supply of it to experiment with and trade leaves/ cuttings.
If DMT isn't legalized any time soon I may start some caapi only legal ceremonies which could be a really positive thing I think.
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: musiclover420]
#23786716 - 10/30/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well shit we haven't even begun to realize the damage your generation is going to cause.
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: Ran-D]
#23786736 - 10/30/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: Well shit we haven't even begun to realize the damage your generation is going to cause. 
Or maybe we will continue the positive strides are forefathers/mothers made while also trying to overcome all the negatives 
I try to be optimistic. For generations there have been tons of stupid and smart people anyways so its not like much has changed.
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: musiclover420]
#23786743 - 10/30/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It was a joke. Problem number one is your guys lack of a sense of humor.
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: Ran-D]
#23786771 - 10/30/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: It was a joke. Problem number one is your guys lack of a sense of humor. 
I have no online sarcasta meter especially when I am really baked so I tend to take everything people say seriously
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: musiclover420]
#23787400 - 10/31/16 01:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well send me some fucking Diplopterys Cabrerana seeds and I'll be all set, greedy bastards.
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23787787 - 10/31/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh bullshit. These are the same type of guys that will slip a shit load of nicotine in your brew then go to great lengths to hide your dead body and lie to your parents. "The spiritual world is not for sale." Right, unless you guys are the ones getting paid for it. I love how so many people make the psychedelic experience some mystical, beautiful journey..then every once in a while you see someone having one from the outside looking in and you're just thinkin "Jesus..is that what I look like?" Smelly ass shamans and trendy college fucks annoy me.
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: Eminence]
#23787837 - 10/31/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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In some parts nicotine containing plants are a traditional ingredient for ayahuasca.
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
#23787848 - 10/31/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know. I was just remembering a case where some guy drank some aya and didn't know it had nicotine, or at least didn't know it had nearly much as it did and he died from nicotine OD. One of the people in charge of the ceremony tried hiding his body and his parents didn't find him for a while afterwards.
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: Eminence]
#23787900 - 10/31/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Theres also been cases of people being robbed while at the ceremony. Not all ceremonys are like that tho and theres still some legit ayahuasca centers out there
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple] 1
#23788498 - 10/31/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ShadeOfDeepPurple said: Well send me some fucking Diplopterys Cabrerana seeds and I'll be all set, greedy bastards. 
I actually may have a source but they won't t have extras for awhile I imagine.
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: musiclover420]
#23788830 - 10/31/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said:
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ShadeOfDeepPurple said: Well send me some fucking Diplopterys Cabrerana seeds and I'll be all set, greedy bastards. 
I actually may have a source but they won't t have extras for awhile I imagine.
Think you could PM that?
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Re: Millennials on Spirit Quests Are Ruining Everything About Ayahuasca [Re: Eminence]
#23788842 - 10/31/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eminence said: I love how so many people make the psychedelic experience some mystical, beautiful journey..then every once in a while you see someone having one from the outside looking in and you're just thinkin "Jesus..is that what I look like?"
Really give zero fucks what I look like from outside to others. It's my experience that matters not how my tripping self looks to the sober onlooker. I just wanna trip.
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