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Long term storage and desiccant
    #23781397 - 10/28/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

For long term storage, should  I put a desiccant packet inside of a ziplock bag w/ dried fruits and vacum seal it.  Should there be any problems with the fruits touching desiccant packets for long time?


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23781418 - 10/28/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck desiccant if your just going to vacuum seal anyways.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23781471 - 10/28/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I put mine in air tight jars and don't worry about desiccant if they're dry they'll stay dry in a good jar


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23781490 - 10/28/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Although I enjoy this hobby a lot, it can take up a lot of ones personal time.  I rather grow enough to last me a year, about a pound, and just take a long break from growing, until am running low.

I need to learn how to store "alot" of fruits for a long time.  I recently had my fruits stored in vacum sealed bags, for about 2 months, and noticed some of the caps were turning black.

Tonite I took them out of the sealed baggies, and I am dehydrating them again, am not sure if the fruits still had moisture in them and caused them to turn  black.

So now am a little worried, I dont want my hardwork and crops to go to waste, and a pound is to much to stick in jars

May any experienced veterans in here tell me "how best" to store al lot if dried fruits for long term


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23781492 - 10/28/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

they need to be cracker dry before you vacuum seal them :thumbup:
cracker dry is often under estimated


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23781511 - 10/28/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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they need to be cracker dry before you vacuum seal them :thumbup:
cracker dry is often under estimated




When I initially vacum sealed them they were snapping and cracker dry?

So, to my original question, just incase the fruits still do have unnoticeable moisture in them, should it be safe to put a desiccant packet inside the vacum bag w/ the fruits as a precautionary measure.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23781514 - 10/28/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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For long term storage, should  I put a desiccant packet inside of a ziplock bag w/ dried fruits and vacum seal it.  Should there be any problems with the fruits touching desiccant packets for long time?




(Without question dry them as much as possible first, but..)
No, you shouldn't have any problems with the desiccant packet touching your dry fruits.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23781541 - 10/28/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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they need to be cracker dry before you vacuum seal them :thumbup:
cracker dry is often under estimated




When I initially vacum sealed them they were snapping and cracker dry?

So, to my original question, just incase the fruits still do have unnoticeable moisture in them, should it be safe to put a desiccant packet inside the vacum bag w/ the fruits as a precautionary measure.



Yes it'll be safe.. but if it was truly vacuum sealed, and truly cracker dry, they wouldn't be turning black and shit. Ya know?

Water doesn't magically make it through sealed plastic. At least not the last time I checked. Heat from a dehydrator can actually make them seem cracker dry before they actually are dehydrated. This is why I over dry my fruits. At least 24 hours of dehydrating every time.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23781567 - 10/28/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So are the black caps ok for consumption?

Ive read that they could just be spores n shit


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23781572 - 10/28/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Are you saying you can't tell if it's spores or not? You literally said they turned black during storage. Spores would mean they were dried and stored already black. So which is it?


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23781587 - 10/28/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They were not stored black, but ive read that shrooms can still skeet spores if they werent fully dried?

Honestly, I really dont know why the turned black, thats why am posting these questions and asking.  I would like to understand & know how to avoid this new challenge for my future endeavors


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23782004 - 10/29/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Mushrooms turn black when they're wet and handled too much. Pretty normal. What isn't normal is that they started doing it 2 months in storage... This is pretty bad shit. I doubt they dropped spores in storage. It sounds more like a drying issue to me.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23782011 - 10/29/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23782054 - 10/29/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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So are the black caps ok for consumption?

Ive read that they could just be spores n shit



A long time ago when I was experimenting with different ways to prepare some, and mine ended up turning black, I still ate some, they weren't as appealing, taste was a bit off, but they were still active, it didn't make me sick or anything, but I usually don't have a problem with that, though as the diet commercials say: individual results may vary. If you're really worried you can just grow more, that's what I ended up doing back then. :shrug:


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: HappyCat]
    #23782058 - 10/29/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Pics would possibly help determine things


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23782082 - 10/29/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How did you dry the ones that went black?
If the answer is anything but 'food dehydrator for 24hrs plus' then
they probably weren't dry when sealed.

To check your drying skills dry a fresh fruit until what u think is cracker dry and seal up in a zip lock for a week. After that if the stems can bend they were not dry enough. I guess you could test on a store bought edible..


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: mushboy]
    #23782313 - 10/29/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Also, I know some people are hesitant to have their food dehydrator stuck on one batch for that long when they have a ton of shrooms to dry out; I've had good results with getting them to what seems like cracker dry (12-ish hours in the dehydrator) and then sticking them in a Tupperware with a desiccant packet or two for 24 hours to get rid of residual moisture. After that, you'll probably have better luck vacuum sealing them. The desiccant packets won't hurt them in storage, but it's better to dry them to the point where you won't need them. However, I understand that desire for a "just in case" measure.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: r.lutece]
    #23782321 - 10/29/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone worth their salt uses a food dehydrator start to finish.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23782323 - 10/29/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Anyone worth their salt uses a food dehydrator start to finish.



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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23782330 - 10/29/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Mushrooms from a tub like the ones in my signature take more than 12 hours to try even in a food dehydrator.

Also if the dehydrator is so packed the trays don't touch just leave it on 24 hours to ne safe


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23782341 - 10/29/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I definitely prefer leaving them in there until they're completely cracker dry, but what would you recommend when you have a large enough amount that you're afraid of spoilage or potency loss before being able to dry them all?


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: r.lutece]
    #23782351 - 10/29/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well there's the fridge. There's fan drying while waiting for the other fruits to finish, there's oven fan drying too, there's buying more dehydrators or if you're handy


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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9912647#9912647

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And I guess the 12h and desiccant chamber could work :wink: I've literally never used desiccant though, and I've had quite a few to dry at a time with no issues had by anyone :smile:


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23782356 - 10/29/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thats cool


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23782362 - 10/29/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I've actually thought about justing building a big ass dehydrator, but I have yet to get around to it!

I'm not gonna lie, my assumption was that the first response was going to be, "Buy another dehydrator." :laugh:

Dessicants are pretty alright. I've used them with success, but not for any outrageously large fruits. Silica gel beads are what I went with; one thing I appreciated was the ability to seal them up in a container that didn't circulate oxygen (although I'm starting to believe O2 has a lot less to do with potency loss than moisture does; is this true?).


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23782376 - 10/29/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Literally cheap af and so easy to make lol. That's what these noobs buying closets should use them for. Dehydrators big enough for the yields they end up getting when they listen to us :rockon:

@r.lettuce oxidation just means the exchange of electrons. Sometimes this is done with oxygen, but not in the case of psilocin. It's actually oxidizing because of hydrogen [H+] the air is actually mostly H2, O2, N2, etc, which in natural state are pretty stable and shouldn't cause too much potency loss, if at all. Enzymes breaking things down are where the OH- comes from. Enzymes are activated due to water, so yes water is partially the reason why it's breaking down. Although it's actually because of the enzymes. Enzymes also can be denatured at temps past 140. So realistically dehydrators turned to max are the absolute best at preserving potency. They denature the enzymes as well as dry the fruits to cracker dry ASAP.

The water in the air can start reactivating enzymes if its exposed to open air long enough. So yeah water is the reason, and not at all O2. Here's a cool pic of the oxidation, notice there's less hydrogen:



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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23782391 - 10/29/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Is there a reaction gif of someone snorting science like a line of coke? Because I feel like that would be a most appropriate response here.

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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: mushboy]
    #23782547 - 10/29/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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How did you dry the ones that went black?
If the answer is anything but 'food dehydrator for 24hrs plus' then
they probably weren't dry when sealed.





I usually fan dry them first for 2 or 3 days, and then throw them in a dehydrator for around 5-8  hours.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: r.lutece]
    #23782553 - 10/29/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I dry my mushies till they are cracker dry and then put them in the blender and powder them.  You can fit tonnes like this in a jar and store in a cool place.  With this u can brew them, make them into suppositories  or like me make them into .2g capsules and take them everyday as medicine.  You can also make them into larger dose capsules i.e 1-2 grams.  This way you know when you are getting and due to the blend every capsule is the same strength.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23782600 - 10/29/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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How did you dry the ones that went black?
If the answer is anything but 'food dehydrator for 24hrs plus' then
they probably weren't dry when sealed.





I usually fan dry them first for 2 or 3 days, and then throw them in a dehydrator for around 5-8  hours.




id do that the other way around. quicker they dry the better.
or just use the dehydrator the whole way...


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Edmunter]
    #23782604 - 10/29/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So the garbage bag filled with mushrooms under my bed is alright?
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I double-knotted it! :smile:


Packets touching the mush poses no problems - I was a bit paranoid of moisture when I first started storing dried mushrooms and I always used a packet in my gallon ziplock baggies.

If they are truly cracker-dry - you won't have any issues with out the packet. If you want to be extra safe, toss a packet in there. It can't hurt anything.

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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: mushboy]
    #23782606 - 10/29/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Fan drying first is a sure fire way to not lock in potency


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    #23782619 - 10/29/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I dry my mushies till they are cracker dry and then put them in the blender and powder them.  You can fit tonnes like this in a jar and store in a cool place.  With this u can brew them, make them into suppositories  or like me make them into .2g capsules and take them everyday as medicine.  You can also make them into larger dose capsules i.e 1-2 grams.  This way you know when you are getting and due to the blend every capsule is the same strength.




Ooohh. I missed this post..

I love capsules! I recently started using capsules instead of other methods and I find them to be extremely convenient...
I can get about .4 - .5 grams in each of my current set of capsules.
7-8 of those guys and you're right as rain!

Before that- I was an orange juice drinker... Powder up the mush and put it in a shot of OJ... Down the shot and then pour in a bit more to grab any residual.
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    #23782632 - 10/29/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i just jam them into my mouth.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23783337 - 10/29/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Fan drying first is a sure fire way to not lock in potency




Why is that ?

I read here that some people fan them all they way, and others use dehydrators all the way, etc, etc.  When I have to many fruits for my dehydrators capacity, I will just fan away until I can rotate them into the dehydrator.

Now, the tought of losing potency by fanning them has aroused my curiosity, because I thought it was the other way around, that the dehydrators/ heat resulted in potency lost.

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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23783371 - 10/29/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Pics would possibly help determine things


I took out all the black caps, and rehydrated the rest of the batch.

So, does it look like just skeet, or is it some bacterial shit?


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23783375 - 10/29/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Now, the tought of losing potency by fanning them has aroused my curiosity, because I thought it was the other way around, that the dehydrators/ heat resulted in potency lost.

Enlighten me my bro




this can open a shit storm. heat at temps to dry will do nothing to harm the actives. think of boiling water used to make tea. some people have deep fried
them in oil and they work like a charm.

what makes shrooms less potent is having them lying around. either dry or eat asap.

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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: mushboy]
    #23783396 - 10/29/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I was under the assumption that they turned black because they were not really dry, so yeah.  Was it a bad idea, what would you recommend?


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23783409 - 10/29/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i have no clue about the black.


this black is from spores dumping.

this mushrooms isnt fully dry. its not black either.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: mushboy]
    #23784069 - 10/29/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Now, the tought of losing potency by fanning them has aroused my curiosity, because I thought it was the other way around, that the dehydrators/ heat resulted in potency lost.

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@r.lettuce oxidation just means the exchange of electrons. Sometimes this is done with oxygen, but not in the case of psilocin. It's actually oxidizing because of hydrogen [H+] the air is actually mostly H2, which is pretty stable and shouldn't cause too much potency loss, if at all. Enzymes breaking things down are where the H- comes from. Enzymes are activated due to water, so yes water is partially the reason why it's breaking down. Although it's actually because of the enzymes. Enzymes also can be denatured at temps past 140. So realistically dehydrators turned to max are the absolute best at preserving potency. They denature the enzymes as well as dry the fruits to cracker dry ASAP.

The water in the air can start reactivating enzymes if its exposed to open air long enough. So yeah water is the reason, and not at all O2. Here's a cool pic of the oxidation, notice there's less hydrogen:






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    #23784349 - 10/30/16 02:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You have to appreciated that there are 2 compounds Psilocybin and psillocin in mushrooms.

Psilocin's chemical name is 4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine, or simply 4-HO-DMT. As the name indicates, psilocin is related to the active compound of ayahuasca (N,N-DMT) and the secretions of the Bufo alvarius toad (5-MeO-DMT). Although it's psilocin that gives rise to the psychoactive effects, it is not as stable as psilocybin. Oxygen and heat will quickly degrade psilocin into ineffective compounds. Psilocin is so sensitive to oxygen, that when picking mushrooms, the stems quickly bruise bluish to dark black. For this reason research is usually conducted with synthetic psilocybin capsules rather than psilocin. Likewise the psilocybin/psilocin ratio in mushrooms is not of primary importance, although it does make a small difference when making mushroom tea or drying them.

Psilocybin's most common chemical name is O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine. As the name indicates, it is psilocin with a phosphate group attached to it, making it a much more stable compound. In the liver a dephosphorylation reaction occurs, detaching the phosphate group, resulting in the psychoactive psilocin.

Psilocin is then further metabolised by the body's mono-amino oxidase enzyme into compounds that are non-toxic and can easily be excreted.

Basically when you eat a mushroom body the chemical psyllocybin changes to psillocin which is psychoactive.

This is why the lemon Tek make you get to full on tripping in minute.  Lemon has the same ability as the liver to turn psyllocybin into psilicin, hence when you soak mushrooms in lemon a drink as soon as the psilocin gets into you bloodstream your there!!!!!

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    #23784797 - 10/30/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Oxygen and heat will quickly degrade psilocin into ineffective compounds. Psilocin is so sensitive to oxygen, that when picking mushrooms, the stems quickly bruise bluish to dark black.



Did you like not read the post above this? Let me break this shit down.

Psilocin oxidation involves the exchange of electrons. In this case hydrogen NOT oxygen.

Psilocin has a melting point of 350°F. Heat DOESN'T break it down. Actually the heat in a dehydrator (140+) helps maintain potency by denaturing enzymes (the reducing agents in this case)

Also show me the proof that 5mg of psilocin per 10g of fruit body is causing the entire fruit body to turn blue/black. Hint: mushrooms contain a quinone, a pigment that turns blue when digested by enzymes. It also has an alternating double and single bond that trap the wavelengths used to determine why they bruise

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    #23784823 - 10/30/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23784930 - 10/30/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I was quoting from  here https://azarius.net/encyclopedia/71/Psilocin_and_psilocybin/

and trying to explain that Psilocin and Psyllocybin are seperate compounds.  One stable and the other not.  Psyllocybin tuns into psilocin inside the body.  The psilocin in mushrooms soon deteriorates to nothing.

You shouldnt get so tired of trying to tie this shit down when my argument is straight from a well known source and I wasnt exactly arguing against you just trying to explain the different compounds.

Id also like to add that under all this evidence it is better to dry your mushrooms asap to keep the most psilocin in them otherwise it will be mainly psylocybin which will turn into psilocin in the liver.


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    #23784944 - 10/30/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i think the best way to go for long term storage is to use quart canning jars (rubber side down), with a small desiccant pak and a few oxygen absorbers thrown in


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Edmunter]
    #23785132 - 10/30/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I was quoting from  here https://azarius.net/encyclopedia/71/Psilocin_and_psilocybin/

and trying to explain that Psilocin and Psyllocybin are seperate compounds.  One stable and the other not.  Psyllocybin tuns into psilocin inside the body.  The psilocin in mushrooms soon deteriorates to nothing.

You shouldnt get so tired of trying to tie this shit down when my argument is straight from a well known source and I wasnt exactly arguing against you just trying to explain the different compounds.

Id also like to add that under all this evidence it is better to dry your mushrooms asap to keep the most psilocin in them otherwise it will be mainly psylocybin which will turn into psilocin in the liver.



Well it is the third time trying to explain it in this 1 thread. Kinda felt like nobody was even reading what I was saying (like fuckin crackbaby saying "oxygen absorbers" literally 1 post above this :facepalm:). Notice it was only thing I quoted lol, everything else I agree with. Still kinda appalled at the little research that went into thst before publishing it. There's literally no oxygen at play here, and they're just assuming psilocin causes the bruising, and the heat crap too.. Terrible article IMO if they can't even do that little bit of research


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23785154 - 10/30/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Apologies if the source is poor but again I was only trying to explain the separate compounds not argue your point.  Do you have some up to date resources I can read  please.

And again and im sure you will agree, drying your mushrooms till cracker dry asap is the best way to keep potency.

There was a quote from Stamets saying that its hasnt been scientifically proven why mushrooms turn blue..........  That was about a thousand years ago.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Edmunter]
    #23785172 - 10/30/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It still hasn't been scientifically proven what causes bruising, but the wavelengths caught are the same as a quinone, and it's in mushrooms, they just haven't actually proven quinones are the cause of it. This shit comes from the 60s research. I really can't find the article on the 60s research right now. I'm in a rush, but here's the thread we really hashed out bruising, psilocin/potency, and links and what not to other bruising mushrooms, and how various pigments getting digested by enzymes cause them to bruise.

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    #23785210 - 10/30/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok and terrific stuff, I will have a good read.  Its nice to learn your shit about your shit. 

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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23785317 - 10/30/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I was quoting from  here https://azarius.net/encyclopedia/71/Psilocin_and_psilocybin/

and trying to explain that Psilocin and Psyllocybin are seperate compounds.  One stable and the other not.  Psyllocybin tuns into psilocin inside the body.  The psilocin in mushrooms soon deteriorates to nothing.

You shouldnt get so tired of trying to tie this shit down when my argument is straight from a well known source and I wasnt exactly arguing against you just trying to explain the different compounds.

Id also like to add that under all this evidence it is better to dry your mushrooms asap to keep the most psilocin in them otherwise it will be mainly psylocybin which will turn into psilocin in the liver.



Well it is the third time trying to explain it in this 1 thread. Kinda felt like nobody was even reading what I was saying (like fuckin crackbaby saying "oxygen absorbers" literally 1 post above this :facepalm:). Notice it was only thing I quoted lol, everything else I agree with. Still kinda appalled at the little research that went into thst before publishing it. There's literally no oxygen at play here, and they're just assuming psilocin causes the bruising, and the heat crap too.. Terrible article IMO if they can't even do that little bit of research




Wait...wut?!  I initially read through the whole thread before deciding to post anything, since there was no mention of using jars with O2 absorbers, which has always worked for me.  Madseason, i don't see what you're talking about as far as repeating yourself.

Btw, i've used both methods of drying (food dehydrator set at 150 degrees, which takes about 5 hours, and regular box fan followed by desiccant chamber, which takes about 3 days) and have tripped balls just as hard on the ones dried slowly


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: crackbaby]
    #23785342 - 10/30/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Why would you want to absorb O2 when oxygen has nothing to do with anything? If you left psilocin in a chamber of pure oxygen, nothing would happen. This is because its oxidation, which means the exchange of electrons, is done with hydrogen (H+)

I know you can trip balls with fan drying. I did it for years. But fan drying fruits never last longer than a year tops. I got dehydrated fruits from a few years now that blow my shit away. Yes h2o is the culprit because it activates the enzymes which digest the fruit body, and the psilocin using a hydroxyl, and we can all agree the longer things are left wet, the less potent things are.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: crackbaby]
    #23785346 - 10/30/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

you need to dry them for longer than 5hours for LONG TERM storage
which is what the OP was yaking about. shrooms get shitty if not completely dry.

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    #23785360 - 10/30/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Why are we not mentioning( I am) Psylicybin?


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    #23785378 - 10/30/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Because it's extremely stable, and not needed to be worried about during all this, it has an extremely high melting point, and it takes much more effort to break it down, but still will get broken down if left wet long enough.

For long term storage of psilocin and psilocybin, do the steps noted above. Dry as fast as possible, and put it in an airtight container.


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Because it's extremely stable, and not needed to be worried about during all this, it has an extremely high melting point, and it takes much more effort to break it down, but still will get broken down if left wet long enough.

For long term storage of psilocin and psilocybin, do the steps noted above. Dry as fast as possible, and put it in an airtight container.





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    #23785842 - 10/30/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have a strange question: has anyone tried canning mushrooms? I know it would serve exactly zero purpose if done with properly dried shrooms, but I'm curious.


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    #23785870 - 10/30/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The actives would migrate to the liquid too. Gross to eat it all plus the juice. Mmmm slime


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    #23786208 - 10/30/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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you need to dry them for longer than 5hours for LONG TERM storage
which is what the OP was yaking about. shrooms get shitty if not completely dry.

at least the ones i grow need longer than 5hours to dry. :crazy2:




Ya that's what i meant...usually 5 hrs to get cracker dry and ready for long term storage...actually just ate some a couple days ago that were stored in jars via this method 10 months ago.  Smaller shrooms usually take less time (3 hrs), and sometimes the really thick monsters will take 6-7 hrs.  Probably depends on the brand of dehydrator you use. 

I dunno about the earlier statements regarding oxidation (you lost me at electrons, enzymes, and hydroxyl etc) .  If you google 'psilocybin mushroom oxidation', pretty much all the articles and threads that come up point towards oxygen having adverse effects.  Aside from this, the oxygen absorbers create a vacuum seal within the jar (you can tell from the raised dimple in the center of the lid being sucked down flat)


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    #23786393 - 10/30/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think the only thing you're really preventing with an oxygen absorber is staleness, like you might find with potato chips. I powder my shrooms before storage anyway, so I've never noticed them tasting stale.

I would also like to point out that in addition to finding plenty of info about oxygen's adverse affects on shroom potency on the web, you can also find plenty of information on how vaccines cause autism or how we never landed on the moon.


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I love it. That came up way early on when I was hitting a wall with the PF tek and Pasty and the other regulars here gave me one part encouragement and one part wake up call. I went to agar and never looked back. I've had people PM me saying they saw the quote and want to get into agar and do I have links for it, which is exactly what I hope will happen.

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Re: Long term storage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23787730 - 10/31/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Dry them using a food dehydrator until cracker dry.

Use a coffee/spice grinder to turn the mushrooms into powder.

Put powdered mushrooms into capsules using a Cap M Quik capsule filler. The size 000 kit is good.

Place filled capsules into a ziplock bag along with a food grade bag of desiccant so moisture does not affect the gelatine capsules.

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