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Long term storage and desiccant
    #23781397 - 10/28/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

For long term storage, should  I put a desiccant packet inside of a ziplock bag w/ dried fruits and vacum seal it.  Should there be any problems with the fruits touching desiccant packets for long time?


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23781418 - 10/28/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck desiccant if your just going to vacuum seal anyways.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23781471 - 10/28/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I put mine in air tight jars and don't worry about desiccant if they're dry they'll stay dry in a good jar


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23781490 - 10/28/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Although I enjoy this hobby a lot, it can take up a lot of ones personal time.  I rather grow enough to last me a year, about a pound, and just take a long break from growing, until am running low.

I need to learn how to store "alot" of fruits for a long time.  I recently had my fruits stored in vacum sealed bags, for about 2 months, and noticed some of the caps were turning black.

Tonite I took them out of the sealed baggies, and I am dehydrating them again, am not sure if the fruits still had moisture in them and caused them to turn  black.

So now am a little worried, I dont want my hardwork and crops to go to waste, and a pound is to much to stick in jars

May any experienced veterans in here tell me "how best" to store al lot if dried fruits for long term


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23781492 - 10/28/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

they need to be cracker dry before you vacuum seal them :thumbup:
cracker dry is often under estimated


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23781511 - 10/28/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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they need to be cracker dry before you vacuum seal them :thumbup:
cracker dry is often under estimated




When I initially vacum sealed them they were snapping and cracker dry?

So, to my original question, just incase the fruits still do have unnoticeable moisture in them, should it be safe to put a desiccant packet inside the vacum bag w/ the fruits as a precautionary measure.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23781514 - 10/28/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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For long term storage, should  I put a desiccant packet inside of a ziplock bag w/ dried fruits and vacum seal it.  Should there be any problems with the fruits touching desiccant packets for long time?




(Without question dry them as much as possible first, but..)
No, you shouldn't have any problems with the desiccant packet touching your dry fruits.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23781541 - 10/28/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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they need to be cracker dry before you vacuum seal them :thumbup:
cracker dry is often under estimated




When I initially vacum sealed them they were snapping and cracker dry?

So, to my original question, just incase the fruits still do have unnoticeable moisture in them, should it be safe to put a desiccant packet inside the vacum bag w/ the fruits as a precautionary measure.



Yes it'll be safe.. but if it was truly vacuum sealed, and truly cracker dry, they wouldn't be turning black and shit. Ya know?

Water doesn't magically make it through sealed plastic. At least not the last time I checked. Heat from a dehydrator can actually make them seem cracker dry before they actually are dehydrated. This is why I over dry my fruits. At least 24 hours of dehydrating every time.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23781567 - 10/28/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So are the black caps ok for consumption?

Ive read that they could just be spores n shit


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23781572 - 10/28/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Are you saying you can't tell if it's spores or not? You literally said they turned black during storage. Spores would mean they were dried and stored already black. So which is it?


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23781587 - 10/28/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They were not stored black, but ive read that shrooms can still skeet spores if they werent fully dried?

Honestly, I really dont know why the turned black, thats why am posting these questions and asking.  I would like to understand & know how to avoid this new challenge for my future endeavors


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23782004 - 10/29/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Mushrooms turn black when they're wet and handled too much. Pretty normal. What isn't normal is that they started doing it 2 months in storage... This is pretty bad shit. I doubt they dropped spores in storage. It sounds more like a drying issue to me.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: Mad Season]
    #23782011 - 10/29/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: candela]
    #23782054 - 10/29/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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So are the black caps ok for consumption?

Ive read that they could just be spores n shit



A long time ago when I was experimenting with different ways to prepare some, and mine ended up turning black, I still ate some, they weren't as appealing, taste was a bit off, but they were still active, it didn't make me sick or anything, but I usually don't have a problem with that, though as the diet commercials say: individual results may vary. If you're really worried you can just grow more, that's what I ended up doing back then. :shrug:


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: HappyCat]
    #23782058 - 10/29/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Pics would possibly help determine things


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23782082 - 10/29/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How did you dry the ones that went black?
If the answer is anything but 'food dehydrator for 24hrs plus' then
they probably weren't dry when sealed.

To check your drying skills dry a fresh fruit until what u think is cracker dry and seal up in a zip lock for a week. After that if the stems can bend they were not dry enough. I guess you could test on a store bought edible..


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: mushboy]
    #23782313 - 10/29/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Also, I know some people are hesitant to have their food dehydrator stuck on one batch for that long when they have a ton of shrooms to dry out; I've had good results with getting them to what seems like cracker dry (12-ish hours in the dehydrator) and then sticking them in a Tupperware with a desiccant packet or two for 24 hours to get rid of residual moisture. After that, you'll probably have better luck vacuum sealing them. The desiccant packets won't hurt them in storage, but it's better to dry them to the point where you won't need them. However, I understand that desire for a "just in case" measure.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: r.lutece]
    #23782321 - 10/29/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone worth their salt uses a food dehydrator start to finish.


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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23782323 - 10/29/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Anyone worth their salt uses a food dehydrator start to finish.



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Re: Long term srage and desiccant [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23782330 - 10/29/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Mushrooms from a tub like the ones in my signature take more than 12 hours to try even in a food dehydrator.

Also if the dehydrator is so packed the trays don't touch just leave it on 24 hours to ne safe


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