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Let's talk bulk...
    #23780690 - 10/28/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What are your favorite recipes and why....what are yor thoughts on why we use bulk and what do you feel it adds and or takes away from a grow?


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: cronicr]
    #23780725 - 10/28/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:poop:


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: cronicr]
    #23780729 - 10/28/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Nothing wrong with the classic standby of coir, verm, and gypsum done up in a bucket. Cheap, easily sourced, ingredients are compact to store, and they store indefinitely.

Poo is too bulky and kind of a pain IMO. Coffee gives me contamination.


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: freespeech]
    #23780737 - 10/28/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I store my cpoo in the cow pasture next to my house :awesomenod:


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: cronicr]
    #23780742 - 10/28/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If I want to go fast and easy just to test isolates or clones I like to spawn grain to coir/verm in small trays.

With a nice isolate I like to use pasteurized horse manure in my substrate because it gives me some extra yield.

Fruiting from grain only with a casing layer works but gives poor yield and often small fruits IME.

Bulk is good because it provides some extra moisture and if you use straw or poo it provides some beneficial microbes too.

I tried coffee grounds, because some people around here hype it, but it did not give me much more benefits but higher trichoderma rates. That's why I don't use spent coffee grounds anymore.


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: enlightenment]
    #23780745 - 10/28/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I just built 10 trays with sterilized hpoo...


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: enlightenment]
    #23780749 - 10/28/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Can't go wrong with old faithful coir/verm via damion tek..

I still need to try poo.. But haven't since coir/verm gives great results


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: azur]
    #23780752 - 10/28/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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We also do not need to limit this to cubes...I know you like your edibles as well


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: cronicr]
    #23780760 - 10/28/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Do most of you believe that the purpose of bulk is basically for water?


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: azur]
    #23780761 - 10/28/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I just built 10 trays with sterilized hpoo...




:greatjob:

OK. If we talk about edibles I like to use beech sawdust with bran (10%-20%) maybe some gypsum. I don't like wood chips in my bags because they rip them off sometimes.


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: cronicr]
    #23780771 - 10/28/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Do most of you believe that the purpose of bulk is basically for water?




I don't claim to know, but it would seem like there is more to it than just moisture. We all know that fruiting from grain just doesn't work that well in comparison.


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: cronicr]
    #23780775 - 10/28/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Personally i like professor pinheads bulk recipe coir/poo ... and between doing cakes and bulk i think its a shit ton less work just on prep alone ..


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: enlightenment]
    #23780784 - 10/28/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I just built 10 trays with sterilized hpoo...



In bags or open air style?
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Do most of you believe that the purpose of bulk is basically for water?




I don't claim to know, but it would seem like there is more to it than just moisture. We all know that fruiting from grain just doesn't work that well in comparison.



Some might not agree when we talk about B.E...
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I just built 10 trays with sterilized hpoo...




:greatjob:

OK. If we talk about edibles I like to use beech sawdust with bran (10%-20%) maybe some gypsum. I don't like wood chips in my bags because they rip them off sometimes.



When you add bran what diff do you see? Think it's something that could help the likes of things like actives?


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: cronicr]
    #23780792 - 10/28/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Do most of you believe that the purpose of bulk is basically for water?



When using coir, yes


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: cronicr]
    #23780799 - 10/28/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Water is important. Look at PF cakes. They are a nice mix between water and nutritions. Too much nutritions without water (grain only) produce poor yield because of lack of moisture. Too much moisture without nutritions (1:10 grain/coir) produce poor yield because of lack of nutritions. The balance is what counts.

Edibles and bran:
Using bran increases my yields about 50% sometimes.
I think it is because bran provides some extra nutritions. A higher grain spawn rate could make the bran unnecessary. I should try this. Bran is very fine like particles, almost like sawdust. I think it is beneficial like BRF in PF tek. It provides the right nutrition/moisture contend.


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: enlightenment]
    #23780808 - 10/28/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: PFFFT]
    #23780932 - 10/28/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yes this is the point I'm getting at...we add bran to bulk for nutrition  because it increases yield but our ratios of grain to bulk are much different frome cubes to edibles..bran is much cheaper then grains but even with cubes I see an increase using things like bran coffee and gypsum.


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: cronicr]
    #23780963 - 10/28/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't discount that it provides lattice and architecture for mycelium. cased grain does well too if you can maintain adequate moisture

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The reason deeper substrates support larger flushes and fruits is because larger substrates hold more moisture.  If you give proper moisture control to small substrates, they will perform well too.  It's all about water, as can be seen by the picture below of very large mushrooms on a very small substrate.  It's all about misting and fresh air, from initiation through harvest.
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I think what RR failed to mention there is that it's about water getting to make that grain spawn reach potential.

there's no magic substrate that's making growers get more dry mushroom weight per 2/3 full"myco" quart of grain spawn.

bulk substrate IMO supplies water and helps with being a pinning platform.

Coir has nutrition for cubes anyway. and think about a straw substrate. that's even more nutritional than poo but you don't get subsequent flushes with straw or some magic substrate yield boost, it's harder to re-hydrate after flush one and it dumps all of its water into the first flush.


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: cronicr]
    #23780975 - 10/28/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Bottles stuffed in a mono. LI.

There is violet talk about nute rich cased grain bottom watered subs, but I think bulk is better with more different ingredents together like shredded straw oats coated in brown rice flower bran paste in a deep fully colonized bottom watered pp5 quart.


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Re: Let's talk bulk... [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23780983 - 10/28/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

are there any "amazing nute rich cased grain bottom watered subs " pictures?


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