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Th3Issu3
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23778431 - 10/27/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good luck and welcome!
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: Th3Issu3]
#23778554 - 10/27/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Make some trays man.its really really easy.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: MudaFuka]
#23778567 - 10/27/16 09:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: MudaFuka]
#23778689 - 10/27/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone for the warm welcome!
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MudaFuka said: Make some trays man.its really really easy.
Looking into it, does seem pretty straight forward!
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23778711 - 10/27/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fuck the PF Tek.
Making agar was the simplest thing in this hobby I've ever done.
Making WBS jars was the second easiest.
PF Tek is a lot of bullshit and time and energy all for something that I promise one shouldoon. Ack and say "why the hell did I waste my time with that"
People do what they're gonna do, you're gonna do what you're gonna a do. I did PF Tek for almost a year. The day I harvested my first WBS run, I was in total disbelief that I spent so long on PF Tek.
It's kind of like a student science fair project, vs an adult mans real life "work"
Rock on man, but look into wild bird seed and grain spawn. Dont spend too much time on PF Tek. You're growing felonious mushrooms. Might as well make it somewhat more worth the haul. (Ie atleast triple the yield WBS vs PF Tek)
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Moabfighter said: Fuck the PF Tek.
Making agar was the simplest thing in this hobby I've ever done.
Making WBS jars was the second easiest.
PF Tek is a lot of bullshit and time and energy all for something that I promise one shouldoon. Ack and say "why the hell did I waste my time with that"
People do what they're gonna do, you're gonna do what you're gonna a do. I did PF Tek for almost a year. The day I harvested my first WBS run, I was in total disbelief that I spent so long on PF Tek.
It's kind of like a student science fair project, vs an adult mans real life "work"
Rock on man, but look into wild bird seed and grain spawn. Dont spend too much time on PF Tek. You're growing felonious mushrooms. Might as well make it somewhat more worth the haul. (Ie atleast triple the yield WBS vs PF Tek)
Shit man, you might of just convinced me to get a PC
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23778855 - 10/27/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You're going to spend a lot of time, with extremely low results for the energy you put in. If you have the money, buy a pressure cooker. I got my 8qt at Walmart for 35 bucks. I can only do 3 quart jars at a time in it. But I'd never go back to PF Tek.
Put it like this, you can except roughly an ounce per quart of WBS.
You get an 8th per cake.
You inoculate 4 holes, per jar, in PF Tek. To get that ounce, you inoculate 32 holes. That's assuming none of your cakes contam. You're new, they will. It's very frustrating.
WBS was hundred times easier. And I don't hate PF Tek. I did it for almost a year, the first time I did my WBS, I was quite pissed at myself for wasting so much time with PF Tek.
Forget about PF Tek. Forget it exists. It isn't worth it.
Learn how to use WBS and a pressure cooker, and use that as your base.
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Moabfighter said: You're new, they will. It's very frustrating. Forget about PF Tek. Forget it exists. It isn't worth it.
that's just not right... focus on getting to know their lifecycle first, not buying expensive pressure cookers and making jar lids and all that jazz. i would focus on the pf tek for now and start getting in to grain on the side.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: tukkis]
#23779146 - 10/28/16 03:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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tukkis said:
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Moabfighter said: You're new, they will. It's very frustrating. Forget about PF Tek. Forget it exists. It isn't worth it.
that's just not right... focus on getting to know their lifecycle first, not buying expensive pressure cookers and making jar lids and all that jazz. I would focus on the pf tek for now and start getting in to AGAR on the side.
Agar then grain
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Edited by wtfcrazymofo (10/28/16 03:58 AM)
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the dude already has and bought supplies for pf tek, why not do that first? less things to fuck up and get anxious about as a first timer. chill out.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: tukkis]
#23779165 - 10/28/16 04:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah OP agar is to hard and not related to your OP, you got to PF tek it for a bit to understand the ways of the mushroom (practice with SAB). Then get into some agar and learn the ways of the mycelium.
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I've never done a PF tek grow. agar is easy. Grain prep is easy. Spawning to bulk is easy. There's no need to outdated methods.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: MudaFuka]
#23779413 - 10/28/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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xvf


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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: amidogen]
#23780914 - 10/28/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23781234 - 10/28/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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3 650 gram bricks of coir, 3 to 6 quarts of verm. I haven't used gypsum in a verry long time. I'm not sure what the micropore tape and oven bags are for but everything else looks good. Maybe get some polyfill for your grain jar lids and mono tub holes.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: MudaFuka]
#23781277 - 10/28/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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TBH i've skipped the gypsum a whole lot of times
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: bodhisatta]
#23781556 - 10/28/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: 3 650 gram bricks of coir, 3 to 6 quarts of verm. I haven't used gypsum in a verry long time. I'm not sure what the micropore tape and oven bags are for but everything else looks good. Maybe get some polyfill for your grain jar lids and mono tub holes.
Oven bags are for pasteurizing bulk substrate in a PC. I hear coir is very resistant to contamination but since this is my first grow id rather play it safe i guess. take all the precautions. the micropore tape; i was thinking of using this instead of polyfill. But after more research think I will use micropore tape for GE (lids) and polyfill for FAE (monotubs)
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bodhisatta said: TBH i've skipped the gypsum a whole lot of times
thank you for your feedback, sounds like I might skip the gypsum too
Edited by xvf (10/29/16 12:09 AM)
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23781732 - 10/29/16 02:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also if you still have the small jars you can dilute your ordered spores in pc water. Just make a proper lid with silcone on both sides for the port. Then tyvek silconed and micropore tape over that. Pc with your grain jars. Just squirt it in the port with sterile water and suck up 12ml each time. You can then make a 100 jars with one syringe. Everyone will tell you agar is best to start. They are right agar is the only way for clean cultures. New spores to make a agar plates takes time so start now. Also i see your in a hurry so start your grain jars now then compared yield with your agar cultures on your second grow.
P.s. buy a screen to drain the grains in the sink.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: tump]
#23781885 - 10/29/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't use micropore for GE in your lids. SFDs, polyfill, EZ felt are the only materials I would use for my GE filters.
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xvf


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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: MudaFuka]
#23784105 - 10/29/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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alright so im ditching pf tek. I'm going agar + wbs.
Bought damn near all my supplies tonight. 20lbs Pennington classic WBS 16 quart pressure cooker 2 5gallon buckets w/ lids 24 4oz mason jars (agar) 24 1qt mason jars 1lb polyfill 4 66qt sterilite containers Idahoan original instant potatoes (agar) tyvek painters suit clear rtv silicone agar agar flakes (fucking $10 for 1oz at whole foods) honey (agar)
already have: 16qt vermiculite 1 brick coir 70% iso alcohol 3 spray bottles masking tape tin foil paper towels
oh and i got my spores today!
still need to pickup: exacto knife (agar) 2-3 more coir bricks black spray paint (gonna paint the bottom of the tubs black instead of using a black trash bag)
Still got some more research to do. But next step is to start some agar plates. (build a SAB, create jar lids)
Questions:
1.) Has anyone used agar flakes? I'm following the grocery store agar tek but was unable to find the crystal agar like he had.
2.) (just realized this)The RTV silicone i picked up isnt gonna work right? Need the red high temp gasket maker one?
btw: I managed to gather all of my supplies from walmart, lowes, petco and whole foods.
Edited by xvf (10/29/16 10:53 PM)
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tukkis
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23784137 - 10/29/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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xvf said:


alright so im ditching pf tek. I'm going agar + wbs.
Bought damn near all my supplies tonight. 20lbs Pennington classic WBS 16 quart pressure cooker 2 5gallon buckets w/ lids 24 4oz mason jars (agar) 24 1qt mason jars 1lb polyfill 4 66qt sterilite containers Idahoan original instant potatoes (agar) tyvek painters suit clear rtv silicone agar agar flakes (fucking $10 for 1oz at whole foods) honey (agar)
already have: 16qt vermiculite 1 brick coir 70% iso alcohol 3 spray bottles masking tape tin foil paper towels
oh and i got my spores today!
still need to pickup: exacto knife (agar) 2-3 more coir bricks black spray paint (gonna paint the bottom of the tubs black instead of using a black trash bag)
Still got some more research to do. But next step is to start some agar plates. (build a SAB, create jar lids)
Questions:
1.) Has anyone used agar flakes? I'm following the grocery store agar tek but was unable to find the crystal agar like he had.
2.) (just realized this)The RTV silicone i picked up isnt gonna work right? Need the red high temp gasket maker one?
btw: I managed to gather all of my supplies from walmart, lowes, petco and whole foods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTV_silicone it'll work fine. why did you ditch the pf tek?
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xvf


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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: tukkis]
#23784146 - 10/29/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ditched the pf tek to get with the times. Have the money, and have the time to devout to learning so I figured why not.
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HappyCat
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23784220 - 10/30/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't give up on cakes entirely, I still do some from time to time, though like most things I do them a bit different(than PF-style), early on I started PCing my cakes, and that works decent.
If you have the materials give that a try too sometime, its nice to have a big bag of tricks(but not trich )
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Re: [Xvf] Ditching pf Tek [Re: xvf]
#23784316 - 10/30/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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xvf said: ditched the pf tek to get with the times. Have the money, and have the time to devout to learning so I figured why not.
Have fun
-------------------- If you want to eat->https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8553541 Bag sealers are to bulky (my hood isn't that big) https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28622922
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MudaFuka
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Don't spray paint the bottom of your tubs. Side pins are caused by air getting under the substrate creating a favorable fruiting environment. Blocking out the light won't help. any silicone will work. I use clear kitchen and bath silicone.
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Th3Issu3
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23784633 - 10/30/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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xvf said: ditched the pf tek to get with the times. Have the money, and have the time to devout to learning so I figured why not.
I like this guy
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xvf


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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: Th3Issu3]
#23785788 - 10/30/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's todays update:



Today I did the following:
Created my SAB Cut up my tyvek suit into patches. I kept the arms and will wear them while I am using the SAB. Drilled 2 1/4inch holes into each 4oz jar. Then filled one of the holes with silicone Drilled a single 1/4inch into each 1 quart jar (gonna fill with poly-fill)
Now I gotta wait 24 hours for the silicone to cure.
Tomorrow I begin agar!
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23785801 - 10/30/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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wtfcrazymofo
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23785859 - 10/30/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Order up some sfd's.
-------------------- If you want to eat->https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8553541 Bag sealers are to bulky (my hood isn't that big) https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28622922
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Psilosoulful

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Not really that necessary. You can always just keep the lid loose to let in some GE.
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Psilosoulful whats your contamination rate on jars? I was getting serious issues with just leaving the lids slightly loose
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I always leave the metal bands very loose after inoculation in my SAB. Then, when I'm ready to shake the grains, I tighten the lid in my SAB first. I don't have many contaminated jars. Just make sure to not move them around when they are colonizing.
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xvf


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wtfcrazymofo said: Order up some sfd's.
Yeah I got my eye on sfd's. If (when) tyvek fails me ill be sure to pick some up.
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HappyCat
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23787162 - 10/30/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like tyvek its worked great for me, and I can't complain about the price. I always keep the jar ring hand snug, and a alm-foil dust cover on at all times except inoculation. I leave out the lid disk, because with it gone its a lot easier to seal the single puncture in the tyvek with a piece of impermeable(Scotch) tape.
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xvf


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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: HappyCat]
#23787201 - 10/30/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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HappyCat said: I like tyvek its worked great for me, and I can't complain about the price. I always keep the jar ring hand snug, and a alm-foil dust cover on at all times except inoculation. I leave out the lid disk, because with it gone its a lot easier to seal the single puncture in the tyvek with a piece of impermeable(Scotch) tape.
I fucking love TPB man. I've watched every episode and movie a thousand times. That white trash comedy speaks to me man. I'm stoked for the next season to hit netflix.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23787235 - 10/30/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea its great, I get that for sure.
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xvf


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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: HappyCat]
#23788919 - 10/31/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Question:
I am following the grocery store agar tek (https://www.shroomery.org/9427/Grocery-Store-Agar-Tek)
I am about to load my jars or agar into the pressure cooker. My question is should I put a lid of tinfoil on all my jars?
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23788976 - 10/31/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23788984 - 10/31/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I always PC my jars with the foil on.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: HappyCat]
#23789049 - 10/31/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone for the quick feedback!
Heres todays progress. Doing 24 of these




Edited by xvf (10/31/16 06:16 PM)
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23789954 - 10/31/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inoculated 22 jars (2 got messed up in the PC). Used 10cc's.
And now we wait 
Next time im definitely gonna add food coloring to my agar mix

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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23790363 - 11/01/16 02:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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xvf said: Thanks everyone for the quick feedback!
Heres todays progress. Doing 24 of these

Did you at least stuff that empty hole in that lid (all) with polyfill tightly?
-------------------- If you want to eat->https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8553541 Bag sealers are to bulky (my hood isn't that big) https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28622922
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I always make my kids like this
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23790658 - 11/01/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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xvf said: Inoculated 22 jars (2 got messed up in the PC). Used 10cc's.
And now we wait 
Next time im definitely gonna add food coloring to my agar mix


You inoculated 22 agar plates? Why? You aren't gonna have any to do transfers with! I had one plate inoculated, transferred that to 2 more plates, and will soon be making like 8 transfers from those. That is 8 full plates from a single drop of spore solution. I could do more than that but 8 plates is all I have left prepared.
Also good for you on getting on the agar track before starting. I did PF because I had my heart set on it for 4 years, and immediately wished I had done grains, which basically requires agar before attempting. If you are gonna drop money on a hobby, drop just a little more to do it right!
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xvf


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Quote:
wtfcrazymofo said:
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xvf said: Thanks everyone for the quick feedback!
Heres todays progress. Doing 24 of these

Did you at least stuff that empty hole in that lid (all) with polyfill tightly?
I didnt. I was trying to follow the grocery store tek to a T. Guess I gotta cross my fingers and hope it doesnt contam now.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: MortySmith]
#23790845 - 11/01/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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mrknowitall95 said:
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xvf said: Inoculated 22 jars (2 got messed up in the PC). Used 10cc's.
And now we wait 
Next time im definitely gonna add food coloring to my agar mix


You inoculated 22 agar plates? Why? You aren't gonna have any to do transfers with! I had one plate inoculated, transferred that to 2 more plates, and will soon be making like 8 transfers from those. That is 8 full plates from a single drop of spore solution. I could do more than that but 8 plates is all I have left prepared.
Also good for you on getting on the agar track before starting. I did PF because I had my heart set on it for 4 years, and immediately wished I had done grains, which basically requires agar before attempting. If you are gonna drop money on a hobby, drop just a little more to do it right! 
I'm doing agar simply for the sake of learning. I'm gonna take those 22 agar jars and transfer to ~30-40 WBS jars, let that sit, then spawn to bulk in monotubs. In the future when I get some good genetics I'll have the experience to be able to isloate it.
Edited by xvf (11/01/16 10:02 AM)
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23790879 - 11/01/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Should I do something about the agar lids only having tyvek over the hole? Or should I wait it out and see what happens?
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23790899 - 11/01/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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xvf said: I'm doing agar simply for the sake of learning. I'm gonna take those 22 agar jars and transfer to ~30-40 WBS jars, let that sit, then spawn to bulk in monotubs. In the future when I get some good genetics I'll have the experience to be able to isloate it.
I am not talking about isolation though, I am talking about cleaning. Your mycelium is most likely going to have mold and bacteria growing along with it in your plates. Spore syringes are dirty, my first plates all had some form of contams I think. You will then need to transfer out clean mycelium to another plate and wait for that to colonize to see if its completely clean. Once you have a clean plate, then you can use it to inoculate.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: MortySmith]
#23790906 - 11/01/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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xvf said: I'm doing agar simply for the sake of learning. I'm gonna take those 22 agar jars and transfer to ~30-40 WBS jars, let that sit, then spawn to bulk in monotubs. In the future when I get some good genetics I'll have the experience to be able to isloate it.
I am not talking about isolation though, I am talking about cleaning. Your mycelium is most likely going to have mold and bacteria growing along with it in your plates. Spore syringes are dirty, my first plates all had some form of contams I think. You will then need to transfer out clean mycelium to another plate and wait for that to colonize to see if its completely clean. Once you have a clean plate, then you can use it to inoculate.
Ahh okay I see what your saying. Damn didnt know spore syringes ran that dirty. I guess I could always buy more jars and transfer whats healthy.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23790955 - 11/01/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Honestly I wouldn't buy more jars, get glad mini rounds, much cheaper. I don't want to tell you to trash the other plates because agar is expensive, but you are just gonna have more colonies of mycelium growing than you will know what to do with.
Just think how big the colony is once its colonized most of the plate. You only need a tiny little pinhead sized piece to transfer make another full plate. You could easily take 10 transfers from each clean plate, but even with your first transfer from a contaminated plate you could probably find 5 areas to take from. As you do this math, you are gonna realize you should have made less plates lol.
Just to give you an example of what happened with me: I started with just 3 plates, all of different variety cubes (because I thought that was a cool idea lol, wrong). But then I realized I should do multiple transfers from each plate because I could see several strains colonizing the plates at different rates, and I wanted to get a good variety of strains to grow with. What I ended up doing was trashing the 2 most contaminated plates because fuck it, and just made 2 transfers from the one plate I liked the most. My thinking is that once I get a clean plate (which it looks like my 2 transfers are) I can take as many transfers from that as I need to get enough plates to inoculate my jars. Really all you need is 1 clean plate! Well, if you wanna do 40 or so jars, maybe a few clean plates would be better.
Anyways, the whole point of agar, other than strain isolation, is to germinate your spores and clean up your mycelium culture before using for inoculation. You would have been much better off starting with a small handful of plates. Now you are going to have to do 22 transfers, if you want to use every plate, and that is with only 1 transfer per plate!
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: MortySmith]
#23791469 - 11/01/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I must say that I'm following this thread with enjoyment! Thanks for the updates and thanks everybody for the good discussion.
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Those are PC safe?
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: SampaJasli] 1
#23791709 - 11/01/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: amidogen]
#23792084 - 11/01/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wouldn't have believed they were either, without reading it in his tek. Seriously such thin plastic, its magic lol.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23792153 - 11/01/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The tyvek will work. Not good to re-use though. post future post agar transfer pics!
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You can just take those that germinate timely/lesser 50% of the termination plates and empty them, refill with agar and make transfers from the best eleven.
I'd buy petris before I got pp5 plastic. I don't think one is easier.
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I just nocked up 20 petri's in 1/4-1/8 of the time 20 p plates would take( no removing foil and snapping off lids or folding paper towels). It took some more skill, but much less time and more agar square footage . The new hood helped too! I have done pour agar in a sab when I first started way back when. P plates are good to roll with for a beginner IMO. I still love my P plates .
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I use petries and pasty plates. I wouldn't say pasty plates are just for beginners. I really prefer them over petries. Sure pouring plates is slightly faster but but the high walls of pasty plates make them so much easier to handle while keeping your fingers away from the opening. Also I never use paper towels in my pasty plates and I have been reusing the same tin foil for a long time. I can whip up a batch of 20 pasty's in about 48 minutes including the 45 minutes I PC them fore.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: MudaFuka]
#23798226 - 11/03/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Been about 3 days since inoculating agar. Not seeing anything yet (albeit hard to see through the jars). Getting a little fidgety, might do some WBS jars with another syringe I have.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23798745 - 11/03/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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patience, grasshopper. give it a week or two.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: SampaJasli]
#23800516 - 11/04/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, from spores I usually get like 7-9 days, depending. I had one show growth on day 6 I think.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: MortySmith]
#23815976 - 11/09/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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We got growth! Took about 9 days but today I checked my agar dishes and 16 of 22 have colonization forming! Gonna give it a few more days to fully colonize but I gotta say.. I was beginning to worry. Needless to say, very happy to see my efforts begin to pay off.
In other news, I got another syringe left so I'm gonna inoculate some WBS jars.
Pictures coming soon
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23815983 - 11/09/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What? Stop.
If you have agar going, why the fuck you gonna make jars with crapshoot multispore syringes??
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Learning experience. Gonna seperate the agar spawn & wbs spawn into their own isolated environments. So no worry of contam.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23816047 - 11/09/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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But why not just wait a week and use clean spawn?
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Moabfighter said: But why not just wait a week and use clean spawn?
Is LC to WBS really that bad? Whats your experience with inoculating WBS from LC
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23816141 - 11/09/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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My experience is none but if you're using multispore my personal experience doesn't matter.
Wait on the agar, to be sure it's clean and can perform at its best. Why grow half ass mushrooms if you're a week away from inoculating with agar?
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Ditched the LC to WBS. I'll just hold on to this other syringe.




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Moabfighter said: But why not just wait a week and use clean spawn?
I used to get the same way when I started out this hobbie, I wanted to constantly do things and waiting sucked.
Honestly tho man, before you know it you'll have so much shit to do that you'll be staying in over the weekends b/c you have so much stuff to work on.
takes time, but it will come.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: Th3Issu3]
#23817008 - 11/09/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I grew with spores to grain for a long time before I got into agar. I had a few jars go bad but my results were pretty good for the most part. I still shoot spores into grain once in a while. there's nothing wrong with it. Contam rates ar a bit higher but so what. Grain's cheap. if you don't mind the risk I say go for it.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: MudaFuka]
#23819703 - 11/10/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Todays update:
Agar is blowing up! Even since this time yesterday it has almost doubled in growth.
Every single agar dish has growth (22 of 22). No signs of contam.
Guess its time to start preparing some WBS.. and with 22 dishes I might need to buy some more birdseed 
Little tip: Use a flashlight to examine your growth if your having trouble seeing it. Or a food coloring back-drop.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23821462 - 11/10/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Please post pictures id find you extremely lucky if all 22 spore to agar grow 100 clean first try. And your going to need to fix a whole bag of bird seed for that many plates. Hop to it birdsong . wait i see some pictures. They look a litte bacteria
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: tump]
#23821498 - 11/10/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is why you should start with the (not out dated, that's foolish) PF Tek. It teaches so much. I've been cultivating for years and still use cakes. If you REALLY want to know how mycology works, and not just looking for a fat sac of boomers you should crawl before walking. The only ones screaming go bulk are those in it for their own gains IME. Take your time to learn the life cycle, not just do this, this and this, but understand why you do these things. IMO OP, you got some shit advice from a TC, not flaming, just my two pennies. I don't need a TC tag to know how learning works. I hope it works well for you. My personal advice is to learn to crawl before walking, KNOW why agar is better, KNOW why you use it. If you understood that you would not have made so many plates to start with. Don't be lazy, learn, read. Best to you, Dick
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: tump]
#23821727 - 11/11/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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tump said: Please post pictures id find you extremely lucky if all 22 spore to agar grow 100 clean first try. And your going to need to fix a whole bag of bird seed for that many plates. Hop to it birdsong . wait i see some pictures. They look a litte bacteria
Its extremely hard to take pictures of the growth in my dishes due to the jars having a decorated wall. So pictures will be taken right before I do my transfers.
I have been studying contams and have my eye out for cobweb.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23821771 - 11/11/16 02:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The camera is a vector so you should flick a pic after you make your transfers.
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23821778 - 11/11/16 02:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Actually heres some pictures taken 5 min ago. Not much of a point taking pics, too hard to see.
I did find 1 dish with a contam. Its a small black circle the size of a BB growing directly in the center of the mycelium. HOWEVER, the dish with the contam got fucked during pressure cooking; water bubbled up and filled the dish up. Afterwards I opened it to dump the water (thus exposing it to open air/contams). I marked the jar with a piece of tape that said "possible contam" and looks like I was right.
It has been removed from the rest of the dishes. Just tossed the entire dish. Mason jars are cheap.






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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23821789 - 11/11/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Time to do some transfers.
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A.RichardTrickle said: This is why you should start with the (not out dated, that's foolish) PF Tek. It teaches so much. I've been cultivating for years and still use cakes. If you REALLY want to know how mycology works, and not just looking for a fat sac of boomers you should crawl before walking. The only ones screaming go bulk are those in it for their own gains IME. Take your time to learn the life cycle, not just do this, this and this, but understand why you do these things. IMO OP, you got some shit advice from a TC, not flaming, just my two pennies. I don't need a TC tag to know how learning works. I hope it works well for you. My personal advice is to learn to crawl before walking, KNOW why agar is better, KNOW why you use it. If you understood that you would not have made so many plates to start with. Don't be lazy, learn, read. Best to you, Dick
There's nothing hard about growing bulk. Growing cubes in a mono tub is crawling. It's not like I told him to start with a green house full of pans or stone producers. For me the goal has always been to grow mushrooms. Why wouldn't I start with the method that yeilds the moste?
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Re: [Xvf] First Grow Log [Re: xvf]
#23822063 - 11/11/16 06:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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xvf said: Actually heres some pictures taken 5 min ago. Not much of a point taking pics, too hard to see.
I did find 1 dish with a contam. Its a small black circle the size of a BB growing directly in the center of the mycelium. HOWEVER, the dish with the contam got fucked during pressure cooking; water bubbled up and filled the dish up. Afterwards I opened it to dump the water (thus exposing it to open air/contams). I marked the jar with a piece of tape that said "possible contam" and looks like I was right.
It has been removed from the rest of the dishes. Just tossed the entire dish. Mason jars are cheap.







Next time use way less spore solution. Just a single drop in the center of each dish. It's hard to track clean growth when the plate is covered with mycelium like that. as stated above, make some transfers.take a piece of mycelium about half the size of a grain of rice from the leading edge on you cleanest looking plate and transfer to a new plate.
Just do 3 or 4 new plates to ensure you get clean growth and go from there. With 1 plate you can inoculate 4 qts, then G2G those to 40 new qts. No need to go knocking up 20 plates. Mind you for a first grow. I would suggest just making 4 or 6 qts and doing two 27qt mini monos. Crawl before you walk.
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