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Pastywhyte
Say hello to my little friend



Registered: 09/15/12
Posts: 37,810
Loc: Canada
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The NSA said: I was under the impression temps needed to be dropped about 10f to fruit so from 80f to 70f?
That is 20 year old bad information. Read current stuff.
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van hatton said: 1-2 inches? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was lead to believe 1/4-1/2in is optimal.
Also that coir is used for bulk recipes, not casing as coir has nutrition in it. You want your casing layer to be non nutritious.
1/4" is a good casing thickness and coir is fine to case with. 15 years ago coir was only used to case because they didn't think it was any good as a substrate.
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bodhisatta 
Smurf real estate agent


Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,889
Loc: Milky way
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uncased coir substrate.
casings a casing don't worry about whether it's nutritional or not, does it work or not?
I don't usually even bother with one any way. why, unless you need to.
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MudaFuka
Poppin bottles



Registered: 12/14/13
Posts: 18,648
Loc: Canada
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Yeah I hardly ever case cubes in tubs. A 1/4" top layer of coir at spawning is the closest I get to casing these days. Also 80f is a bit high for colonisation. I like my temps to be in the low 70s throughout my grows.
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morty422
Wuba-luba-dub-dub!


Registered: 07/06/16
Posts: 988
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The NSA said: Soooooo I'm correct? Or no? Complete consolidation of the substrate is what I'm going for or no? Or will it just do it on its own after I've dropped the temp? I'm VERY confused with the fruit while spawn idea. I thought all three steps were separate. Spawn, colonisation, case, then fruiting.
The substrate will only fruit when it is ready to. Introducing fruiting conditions at spawn time will not make the substrate fruit 'early'.
You say you are keen in marijuana cultivation....right? In marijuana growth there is a vegetative stage and then a fruiting stage...these stages are separated by light cycle. 24 hour lighting makes the plant grow. 12 on and 12 off makes the plant fruit. In this type of cultivation...vegetation and fruiting are a separate cycle....
With cubensis cultivation, there is no 'separate cycle'. In the wild, spores germinate shit in open-air - fruiting conditions. No one is there to un-plug the holes and add poly-fill... No one is out there putting trash bags around tubs...and they grow just fine. They've been growing LONG before any of us decided to bring them indoors and start trying to develop better ways for them to grow.
On the other side of the coin, we have developed some awesome ways to give this fungus exactly what it wants, but in my opinion, I don't think they ever want to be FAE deprived and kept in the dark 24/7. In regards to indoor cultivation, a substrate+spawn that is healthy and bacteria-free will only fruit once it is fully colonized. Introducing fruiting conditions at spawn time only helps allow the organism to understand that whenever it's ready -"come on with it". In my opinion, this speeds things up quite a bit.
I hope this helps.
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