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The NSA
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Casing.
#23778393 - 10/27/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So on my first post in curious about casing. I've looked for a while and not found a whole lot of information on my spesfic situation. I'm on my first grow, p/e, grain spawn, 25% garden soil with multiple manures, 25% steer manure, 50% coco coir. I spawned my substrate Sunday. I'm confused about the casing layer. I did not case when I mixed my substrate I was planing on casing when my substrate was 100% colonised and wait until the casing started showing signs of colonisation, then fruit. My understanding is cubes will not overlay. Are there any other issues I would need to look out for? Am I on the right path?
Edited by The NSA (10/27/16 09:09 PM)
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van hatton
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Casing layer are not required for cubes.
But wait until 100% then case. I wait until the casing is about 25% colonized before inducing fruiting.
-------------------- If I ever give out misinformation please inform me so I can have the correct information. Tmethyl said: Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy. Caps McGee said:
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MudaFuka
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I'd say you have a pretty good handle on it. I introduced fruiting conditions right after spawning though. I know moste people like to wate but introducing FAE from day one works well for me.
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The NSA
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I'm Glad it looks like I'm doing well, except the garbage on the sides. There is so much info on this site, its kind of hard to screw it up. I just didn't know I would need to plan so well every step of the day. This is my first grow and look forward to more. I would just like to get this one over with successfully. Thank you for the responses. So casing when I'm at 100% is fine, and I will take care of that this coming week.
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MudaFuka said: I'd say you have a pretty good handle on it. I introduced fruiting conditions right after spawning though. I know moste people like to wate but introducing FAE from day one works well for me.
I second this. Not to act like I'm anyone of any account or anything, but I also fruit from day one spawning,and it always seems to work well.
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morty422
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Introducing fruiting conditions directly after spawning is one of the best things I've ever done for my grows. My substrate colonizes faster-I see pins sooner-and I've seen a yield gain in comparison to the same cultures that I did not introduce fruiting conditions to at spawn point.
The downside is an uneven flush schedule. I've had tubs that continued to pin throughout their life cycle as compared to certain "FLUSHES" like tubs that are FAE deprived and than initiated...
To each their own...
However- I just got my first 10 oz flush off of a clone culture that I fruited at spawn and I have to say that I will never go back to taping my holes ever again.
You DO need to watch your moisture and read your substrate for signs of dryness... but any member who can't mist when their shit looks dry might need to find a new hobby!
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The NSA
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So I'm a medical marijuana convert. I'm confused about fruiting before the substrate is colonized. With marijuana, big roots= big fruits. Is there no up side to allowing the mysillyum completely colonize their food source? I used a 1:5 spawn ratio believing they need to take over the whole tub and utilize the entire food source.
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Edmunter
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So do you mix your spawn with sub and immediately put in fruiting conditions for a monotub? Do you then case when it is 100 colonised like a late casing?
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Big roots always equal big fruits.
You want 3 inch deep sub at least this will give you ample amount of root for your fruit.
The thing is, you don't put the sub INTO FRUIT, you put it into fruiting CONDITIONS, the tub will fully colonize and then pin.
You can chose to case or not.
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Edited by Terpfreak (10/28/16 08:33 AM)
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Big roots? I thought we were talking about fungi. FYI fruit size is mostly dependent on genetics and available water. While there is a small corrolation between fruit size and substrate, it's mostly genetics (coupled with sufficent water supply) that determines how big they can get. There is a armillaria colony in Oregon spanning 8.9 square kilometers buts it's not gonna produce 300 foot fruits just because the colony is huge.
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The NSA
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So I should be adding fresh air at this time during colonisation? Is it going to effect when the fruit body's grow with no fae? I was hoping to allow a week after 100% colonisation before fruiting to make sure the mycillyium has a good hold on everything put into the tub and is feeding on it. By roots I mean the part that feeds the fruit body's. With more "roots" or more established set of "roots" feeding off of more things in the substrate, that would transfer into MORE or QUALITY fruit bodys? Or am I just all sideways with this? I'm running a 6" deep substrate.
Edited by The NSA (10/28/16 01:14 PM)
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The NSA
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Soooooo I'm correct? Or no? Complete consolidation of the substrate is what I'm going for or no? Or will it just do it on its own after I've dropped the temp? I'm VERY confused with the fruit while spawn idea. I thought all three steps were separate. Spawn, colonisation, case, then fruiting.
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MudaFuka
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Don't over think it. They fruit when they are ready to fruit.
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The NSA
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I think ill just stay on my planned path. Ill wait until I'm at 100% then case with 1-2in of coco, drop temps and add fae at the same time. Thanks for the help. I'm sure ill be back.
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Pastywhyte
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Why are you dropping temps? They do not benefit from a cold shock and you can colonize and fruit in the same temps.
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van hatton
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1-2 inches? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was lead to believe 1/4-1/2in is optimal.
Also that coir is used for bulk recipes, not casing as coir has nutrition in it. You want your casing layer to be non nutritious.
-------------------- If I ever give out misinformation please inform me so I can have the correct information. Tmethyl said: Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy. Caps McGee said:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you
Edited by van hatton (10/28/16 06:31 PM)
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The NSA
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I was under the impression temps needed to be dropped about 10f to fruit so from 80f to 70f? I may also be wrong with casing depth, I do have a few days to figure that out. I use house and garden coco and they mulch it for 2 years and it doesn't break down. I was also under the understanding that cubes liked rapidly decaying items? Since the coco will not break down in mulch conditions what is there for the cubes to eat? To a medical marijuana plant (I know its a plant and mushrooms aren't.) its used as a non nutrious grow media. Also what would you case with? As I've read here and there there is a small amount of nutrition in vermiculite also? I'm also digging around as I watch this thread so your not doing all the work.
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