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Eclipse3130
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Bad DMT Trips
#23776911 - 10/27/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm beginning to understand what may be the realization of such causation(s) of most "bad" experiences on DMT compounds(DMT, Mushrooms, Ayahuasca, 4-Aco-DMT) and the simplest answer may be a blockage(s) within your spiritual body.(Chakra system)
In DMT's case, most people whom have had a bad experience while vaporizing, would say it could resemble their own personal hell, usually accompanied by sweating, nausea, an intense heat(or cold) sensation radiating from inside the body - your veins and cells are stagnant trapped energy a feeling in their body - apart from the discerning visions that may appear.
I believe when smoking any amount of DMT for that matter, it really goes to the spiritual level for this compound - where as you could not be a spiritual person but still enjoy a small dose of mushrooms or LSD - the same can't be said for DMT.
After experimenting a bit with DMT, I find it either has 2 types of consistent experiences(good or bad) or in this case(Stagnant or flowing) the good experience; a feeling of universal oneness energy flowing through your chakra system, connecting you to the greater dimensions of space time and the cosmos - which eventually allows your spirit to free itself and to "astral project" your light body and have full *vision* through the pineal gland.(disembodied from the physical) accompanied by interesting visions, euphoria, and insight
And the bad, which has been very consistant for me - is what I believe to be a blockage in your chakra system. A stagnation feeling rather than a release feeling(the experience of Oneness, is instead Nothingness).
Instead of the light bodied, euphoric, rising relaxing releasing joyous sensations of good experiences, instead it's an opposite effect almost immediately - as soon as you feel your energy inside your body begin to build, you realize very quickly that it's not 'flowing" or "releasing" the way it should - it feels stuck - and begins to cause negative sensations such as heating up from the inside out, anxiety, fight or flight response.(or otherwise dying in your own personal hell)
Since using DMT it's shown me the miraculous and extrodinaire potential and best of all its magical and spiritual presence and purpose.
Anyone with both good and bad DMT experiences want to chime in - do you feel your "bad" experiences were caused by other external factors(which they most definitely could be) but when doing solo experimentation - have you ever noticed when on a bad experience that you may just not be in Synch and/or Chakras clear and in line so instead of the releasing oneness experience you are stuck to suffocate in your own energy field.
This seems to be the most logical answer I can think of as why the experiences are so similar everytime it goes "bad"
And when you feel the "Time is right" may be just when your Chakra system is truly in synchronisity with your self.
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Edited by Eclipse3130 (10/27/16 02:26 PM)
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To be honest, I don't have that much knowledge when it comes to chakras. I mean like I've studied them and know their locations and names, but I feel like I don't know how to fully unlock them and all that.
So for me, I feel like bad trips are caused by your mindset and mood. Freaking out and not being able to calm down is another factor.
Maybe it does have something to do with the chakras, because people on dmt nexus recommend to always meditate before diving in and all that.
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Re: Bad DMT Trips [Re: Kinshino]
#23777893 - 10/27/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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For me, my bad DMT trips never seemed to have an obvious "cause".
Like when I take 2CB or LSD, if I have a bad experience, it's very obvious why... 2CB or LSD will show me something about my own psyche that I'm uncomfortable with. Like something bad about myself that I'm forced to confront and deal with. Like forcing me to undergo Psychoanalysis and see negative aspects of myself.
With DMT it's never been like that. I've done full-dose DMT trips at least 30 times, and many lower-dose trips...
Whenever I have a bad DMT experience, it's sort of like going to a "personal hell" like you say. Like I end up in a realm with demons, scary insect creatures, dark ghosts or ghouls, or some other really creepy stuff.
I can never see exactly what triggers the bad experience like I can with Phenethylamine psychedelics or LSD. I just end up there and I just have to wait it out.
To me it's just something that I feel like you have to risk whenever doing DMT. Like there's no way around it. Even if you're a good person or very spiritual, it seems to me like you could still end up in that hell space. It's like it doesn't depend on your morality, like 2CB/LSD seems to for me.
But to me it's definitely worth it. Even the creepiest and scariest DMT trips I've had are manageable enough for me to not be afraid of it. 2CB and LSD I'd really rather not take if I had tryptamines to take instead. Because the Bad trips on LSD or 2CB are just totally harsh. I end up feeling like complete crap about myself when it shows me things about myself that I don't like.
Mushrooms/DMT on the other hand, when I have a bad trip, I just wait it out... It's manageable and I can deal with it.
I even sort of liked some of my bad DMT experiences. Because they were sort of beautiful in a very creepy/weird/haunting way.
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DMT really shoots me so far out i really have no choice on where i go so i feel its kind of useless. mushrooms have still to this day been the most introspective chemical ive taken, i really belive you have been endowed with the past knowledge of all your ancestors trying to help you. It's not easy facing problems in your life head on but the mushroom wont let you hide. All these bad trips are just people facing hard truths that they're not ready to face.
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Yeah. Whenever the mushrooms show me things about myself that I have to deal with, there's always a really powerful force helping me get through it. Like the universe is helping me heal myself and there's this optimism that pushes you through the trip.
I don't get that with either 2CB or LSD. Not so much optimism or hope. Just like a direct mirror in front of you showing who you are. And yeah DMT is just soo quick it's like chaos. But it's good in it's own way.
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LSD gives me hope and a sense that i will end up as the person i want to be and psilocybin slaps me in the face and forces me to be the person i want to be
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Funny how people have totally different experiences with these things.
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Interesting replies, it was a thought that popped into my mind last night as I was going to toke 5mg before bed to just put me in a dreamy calm state(wrong intention) at the time my soul wasn't calling for the experience, I could tell I was blocked off in some areas and not in "balance" but I went for it anyway, feeling of my personal energy was trapped inside of me until it became uncomfortable, ive had this experience multiple times (the exact same feeling) and every time I basically forced myself to smoke it out of ego intentions instead of waiting "for the call" or until you feel ready.(a feeling of being open and pure)
I've had the same experience on 5mg as well as 40 one being more intense but same sensation same feeling none the less.
It seemed obvious I wasn't aligned properly, I could feel the energy trapped in me instead of flowing though my body (producing calm and oneness) thus seems very reasonable to me and matches up with my experiences.
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LSD gives me hope and a sense that i will end up as the person i want to be and psilocybin slaps me in the face and forces me to be the person i want to be
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i think the idea that you can become completely immune to bad/difficult trips is untrue.
Heavy doses are always going to stimulate a fear response in all of us but i think you can get better at handling it.
but practice all you want, if you take 500mg of dmt orally you are going to experience death and its not going to be fun no matter how much experience you have.
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I feel as though DMT forces a kundalini awakening, and if you're not ready for that, not in balance, chakras aligned etc your just gonna evaporate in your own personal hell.
I feel as though it's a stagnation of energy, a blockage similar to like a trapped spirit (ghosts) that eats you from the inside out.
Rather than, when your in alignment with your higher self, it flows naturally and peacefully. You don't fight it, there is no blockage, it just takes you there.
There is only two types of experiences with DMT for me; Oneness, or Nothingness. And I relate that to openness to blockages
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Yeah, I've had the same thing happen... Funny that DMT is sooo profound, but it's also the one Psychedelic that you can just load up in your pipe any time you want and be like "Yeah sure I guess I'll do some DMT now." Since there's no tolerance and doesn't last long.
But yeah to be honest the cause of my bad DMT experience was probably from abusing it. I was doing it every day, sometimes 2-3 times a day for a couple months just trying to always feel Psychedelic all the time. And after a while I got more and more bad experiences, and it was less profound. Then I realized I had to stash it away for a while and use it only when it was the right time... Just like any other Psychedelic.
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And I relate that to you not being in alignment with yourself, when your experiences got bad is because you went bad, everything has a reason. You don't have bad DMT trips for no reason is what I'm trying to get across. I think that is true for any psychedelic, DMT is so pure and quick though, I've never had a chance to interpret this information. It seems plausible from my experiences, and would match up to how I felt at the current time.
Spiritual alignment is a key for DMT. It goes back to "when you feel ready"
But what is this feeling we speak of? When you're spiritually aligned or in synch? (Feeling good and open)
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I mean... Okay. Yeah I'm sure it's the same thing for every Psychedelic. I meant earlier that with DMT it was never obvious to me. I mean obviously I was abusing DMT. But DMT never actually showed me, during the trip, what I was doing wrong.
I've learned clear, precise things from DMT. But it never just told me "hey. You're using me too much." It would just send me to a bad place and I wouldn't pull any direct information out of the bad trip like I would with other Psychedelics. Which confused me for a while... I was wondering whether or not I was using it too much. But since it never actually told me, I just kept doing it until the uncomfortable experiences were happening too frequently.
Which, personally, I'm pretty sure I'd get if I was abusing LSD or 2CB.
But yeah I'm sure bad DMT trips happen for a reason... It's just that none of mine ever gave me a clear reason for the bad experience, or a lesson to take out of it.
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Interesting!
Yeah for some reason the message was clear and when I felt it in the middle of the experience it came to me clear; my energy is trapped, instead of flowing through me and bringing me to peace. It heats you up from the inside out and puts you in a fight or flight response/anxiety headspace. All the while I can feel it wanting to release but blockage.
I'm a spiritual, energy bound person though, thats the way it makes sense to me.
I think the feeling of "letting go" or ready to "give it up" is just a spiritual alignment within your light body (chakra system) and what sucks is you won't know your aligned or not without practice and daily meditation so finding out why it went bad may be more confusing than not!
As you become more developed in your daily meditation and practices, you will gain awareness of your spiritual energy, from there you will become more sensitive and be able to tell whenever you are not "balanced"
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Edited by Eclipse3130 (10/27/16 08:36 PM)
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I find my bad experiences are due to not being able to let go properly as the feeling of no control can be overwhelming at times. I have similar issues with mushrooms but not LSD or 25i. I feel like I have more control with lsd so I can relax more.
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Correct me if I am not understanding correctly, but I was under the impression that all of your chakras open when you leave your body, so how would it be known if there are blockages at that point?
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Re: Bad DMT Trips [Re: Jenjens]
#23781166 - 10/28/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jenjens said: Correct me if I am not understanding correctly, but I was under the impression that all of your chakras open when you leave your body, so how would it be known if there are blockages at that point?
That would mean you were open enough prior to the breakthrough(you were in balance) you are able to "let go"
The bad experiences come when the energy can't flow through you - theres a block in one or more or your centers which leads to tension instead of release. At least in my experience
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Ill tell you something.
Swim once had a bad trip, Very bad. Swim was delusional for years. Swim eventually escaped the bad trip after time. But swim also became fearless of plumbing deep into the abyss of hell.
The Basics are that you fear something. You fear something so great, You have never before witnessed this Phenomenon. Therefore you get gut feelings, Like something is going to happen.
I cant give you the answer to this, Its simply too great to answer. Everybody is their own person but,
I think that is something everybody has to figure out on their own, is they're fears.
Im still figuring out all of my fears.
The most I can say is your letting your fear "out of control"
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Entheogens (DMT) are the consciousness of animals. That means that DMT sees all the violence that goes on in the animal kingdom. Over 3000 animals are slaughtered EVERY SECOND by humans.
The closer you get to DMT (or any Entheogen), the more you are going to become conscious of this.
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endogenous said: Entheogens (DMT) are the consciousness of animals. That means that DMT sees all the violence that goes on in the animal kingdom. Over 3000 animals are slaughtered EVERY SECOND by humans.
The closer you get to DMT (or any Entheogen), the more you are going to become conscious of this.
One time on 4-aco-dmt I saw a big factory that was conveyer-belting cows into it, hooking them up to machines, and painfully squeezing all their cow milk out of them.
Then I was like "Who would do this!?"
Then I saw a giant dick outside of the factory, standing upright, with a big smoking cigar in it's mouth. The dick was demanding that every last cow on earth be put into the factory so that we can have our nasty-ass cow milk.
I laughed for half an hour straight after seeing that.
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endogenous said: Entheogens (DMT) are the consciousness of animals. That means that DMT sees all the violence that goes on in the animal kingdom. Over 3000 animals are slaughtered EVERY SECOND by humans.
The closer you get to DMT (or any Entheogen), the more you are going to become conscious of this.
Bad trips are because we eat meat, thank god you figured it out.
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endogenous said: Entheogens (DMT) are the consciousness of animals. That means that DMT sees all the violence that goes on in the animal kingdom. Over 3000 animals are slaughtered EVERY SECOND by humans.
The closer you get to DMT (or any Entheogen), the more you are going to become conscious of this.
There's a heck of a lot of animal-on-animal "violence", if you can call it that... you know? I don't know how many insects are brutally murdered every second, but I'm willing to bet well over 3000. The food chain is the food chain.
I've had the feeling numerous times on mushrooms that I don't want to be eating animals. I've gone in hyperspace to various members of the kingdom and looked into their eyes, before determining that I didn't want to eat them. Like fish for instance. I don't want to kill a fish. I don't want to kill anything. Side note, unrelated- I don't advise eating mushrooms and going to the aquarium. Wasn't a fun experience.
But looking around, what are we really supposed to eat for serious calories, if not animals? Grains aren't good for you, plant fats are hard to come by (at least where I am), and dairy has its own moral dilemma. You can stuff yourself with local plants and mushrooms, but how far can that get you? And are you just fasting during the winter? Sorry if I ignore the grocery store here, but I don't think you can both pursue the optimal diet in accordance with the desire of Nature AND count on society to take care of you like an infant.
I think about this all the time, I don't know what the right answers are.
If you want to say, "It's not eating animals that's fucked, it's the agricultural system," then fine, I agree with you, it's nauseating. I honestly think that the concept of raising any animal, feeding it, sheltering it, and caring for it, with the sole intention of killing it for food, to be pretty gross. But if we all turned to hunting, we're running out of deer and turkey before the end of the season. Most areas are too overpopulated.
Oh the topic...
I don't know if there's a direct link to bad DMT trips and diet, although it certainly could be a contributing factor. I think that OP is generally right in his assessment. Some people, however, seem to not have a direct link to the One as they have made the choice at some stage of their journey to separate from that... under all the layers there is simply... nothing. But for those of us with that connection, what is happening when we don't make it? Well, something is blocking us. Where is it blocking us? Where else but in our own energy fields. A human energy body needs to be maintained to be clear of debris, detritus, and parasites. Sometimes it takes a couple tries for the DMT to blast you through it. It might mean a longer come up on mushrooms for your energy to work through the mucky film, to melt away the uninvited houseguests... but take care of your body, take care of your consciousness, stay as clear as you can, and you should be able to overcome any obstacle.
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I think the only way we'll be able to fully deal with the animal cruelty thing and just be done with it is by cloning meats.
Then everyone can quit whining and overthinking it.
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mctaveesh said: Then everyone can quit whining and overthinking it.
Yeah, those pigs and cows and chickens should stop whining and over thinking it and let those humans who want to eat them just concentrate on getting heart disease and strokes.
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endogenous said: Entheogens (DMT) are the consciousness of animals. That means that DMT sees all the violence that goes on in the animal kingdom. Over 3000 animals are slaughtered EVERY SECOND by humans.
The closer you get to DMT (or any Entheogen), the more you are going to become conscious of this.
There's a heck of a lot of animal-on-animal "violence", if you can call it that... you know?
Yeah -- the problem I'm talking about is how to deal with being super conscious of it.
Although, there are a few species that don't kill each other or other animals.
And with all their technical knowledge, humans aren't as advanced as cows.
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gekkogecko said: But looking around, what are we really supposed to eat for serious calories, if not animals?
I'm a lacto/ovo veg. Eggs are supposed to be the best protein. Nut butters, and nuts are good. And soybeans are supposed to have better protein than meat.
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We got to where we are now eating nut butter and soybeans?
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gekkogecko said: But looking around, what are we really supposed to eat for serious calories, if not animals?
I'm a lacto/ovo veg. Eggs are supposed to be the best protein. Nut butters, and nuts are good. And soybeans are supposed to have better protein than meat.
Soy contains phytoestrogens and lowers testosterone levels in males. It also is often a product of large-scale unsustainable agriculture.
Nuts, likes grains and legumes, are really high in phytic acid. A heavy diet of phytic acid containing foods (with no meat to compensate) causes iron and zinc deficiencies.
What is a lacto/ovo veg? And what do you gain by that label? Eggs are nice.
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Lacto/ovo means milk and eggs.
I would consider the main danger in eating soy is that non-organic sources are likely to be GMO.
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Since male transgender patients take estrogens to stimulate breast growth, it has been assumed that soy might have the same effect. This appears to be a myth, or at least is not supported in the medical literature.
Probably the greatest amount of research on the long-term effects of soy has to do with soy infant formulas. Some kids can't tolerate regular formula and get switched to formula derived from soybeans and they'll drink this stuff from infancy to one-year of age and beyond. Some kids are raised on soy milk instead of cow's milk their whole lives. A 2004 Italian study of kids raised on soy protein formulas showed no gynecomastia, no early puberty, no changes in their bones and no other signs of screwed up hormones.
--http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/does-soy-really-cause-man-boobs
Neither soy protein nor soy isoflavones had any effect on testosterone levels in adult men who consumed soy foods or products, reports an August 2010 article published in “Fertility and Sterility.” This article was a meta-analysis, which is a review of many studies on one subject.
Another article reported that when male rats were exposed to soy isoflavones in the first three weeks of life, testosterone production increased, according to findings in the February 2014 article in “Biology of Reproduction.”
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