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Why is quality weed so expensive?
#23776857 - 10/27/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can sort of understand why prices get fixed pretty high in a black market, but it seems like even in places where it's legal or sold medicinally the price doesn't go down a whole lot and sometimes it can even be MORE expensive. When I went to Spain I found out weed was quasi-legal in Barcelona and was sold in "Compassion Clubs" and I got a quarter for 55 Euros which at that time was about 85 bucks. It was qualitatively comparable to the weed I get in Texas, which I can get for $90 a quarter. In California the bud was a bit cheaper, I scored a gram of bud similar to what I smoke here for 10 bucks, and there was definitely some amazing stuff going around, but all that A++ stuff sold for the same price as what I pay here if not more.
It seems like in a legal market there ought to be investors and mass producers who are driving the price down, no? I don't know much at all about the weed growing process, is it really enough to justify the seemingly exorbitant prices we see on this small amounts of plant matter? I can't think of any other plant that costs this much by weight
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted]
#23776862 - 10/27/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's weird to me too that I can get an ounce of shit weed for 50 bucks but an ounce of good weed costs 6 or 7 times that much. Is it really 6 or 7 times more expensive to grow? Or is it just that they're not growing as much and they need to cover overhead costs?
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted]
#23776870 - 10/27/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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also in before the canadians come in here and talk about how they get ounces of super silver white widow haze for 120 dollars an ounce
if the canadians can get weed on the cheap (120/oz was a bit of an exaggeration but still I've heard prices like 200 plenty of times)... and they seem to be in agreement that they can, or else they're all liars... why can't we?
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted]
#23776899 - 10/27/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah 200/oz is pretty standard here. I remember going to a Shroomery gathering down in Ohio where a hippy guy sold me an eighth for $50 USD 
I buy medicinal now, and prices for it are all over the place. I might pay $6/g for mid-THC or high CBD stuff, and twice that for the high THC strains.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted]
#23776915 - 10/27/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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To get that amazing quality of bud a grower has to have a completely controlled room, which is easier said than done. Like if you tried to just throw up a mylar tent in your basement without thoroughly cleaning the basement, your probably about to become acquainted with the micro biome that is your basement. Aka all sorts of mites, their predators, so on so forth. Nutrients cost a BUTT load, to get the best quality plant you normally need an entire line of products from rooting agent to bud booster. Check out biobiz line it's not cheap and there's a lot of shit you need. Then there is maintenance, fans get dusty cause a microniche for mites, and they eat your crop. This is just my two cents, I'd say they're asking a lot but it's kind of deserved, at least just for the DANK, ALOT of work it is.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: trendal]
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trendal said: Yeah 200/oz is pretty standard here. I remember going to a Shroomery gathering down in Ohio where a hippy guy sold me an eighth for $50 USD 
I buy medicinal now, and prices for it are all over the place. I might pay $6/g for mid-THC or high CBD stuff, and twice that for the high THC strains.
I would LOVE to find some high CBD/low THC strains for 6/gram. I prefer to benefit from the positive effects of marijuana while feeling as little intoxication as possible. THC ruins my short term memory, motivation, focus, and energy. Not to mention it is addictive. But some of the other chemicals in marijuana do wonders for my anxiety, mood, physical pain, etc. If I could find a connect for mexican brick weed I was thinking about buying a shitload of it and using it to make some RSO
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted]
#23776948 - 10/27/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because quality items comes at a higher price.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted] 1
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I get lbs of flame indoor for $2k
You just gotta be plugged in.
Personal growers growing 50-100lbs a season outdoor, plus all the indoor growers are driving the "black market" price down. $1,200-$1,800lb But medicinally and at shops, the price seems to be standard all over unless you are a member ime and are able to get $100oz of top shelf out the door.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted]
#23776971 - 10/27/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because capitalism.
Shops can be more expensive because - they are shops. They have to buy licences and lease buildings and shit. Your street dealer doesn't have those kinds of expenses. Also the shop owner doesn't likely grow and produce all their products so they are often still 2nd hand.
It is supply and demand. Alot of these shops are still growing so the ones that do have their own supply and make their own products are going to sell it for about as much as others so that they can make more profit and in turn make their business larger. Capitalism works like this: You sell for what people will pay. Demand for weed will always be up. Unlike alot of other markets constant production is a very realistic business practice. It wouldn't surprise me if marijuana prices inflate as more and more states legalize it. That is until a super weedmart pops up that does everything for dirt cheap and charges less than everyone else while owning 75% of the dispensaries and still charges 10x the cost of production and expense.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted]
#23776981 - 10/27/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: also in before the canadians come in here and talk about how they get ounces of super silver white widow haze for 120 dollars an ounce
if the canadians can get weed on the cheap (120/oz was a bit of an exaggeration but still I've heard prices like 200 plenty of times)... and they seem to be in agreement that they can, or else they're all liars... why can't we?
 good question, it might just be the over-abundance of growers and dealers at work especially in BC, as 200 an oz is standard even without connections, and even good dispensary weed isn't too pricey.
as for other places, maybe the price was so high to begin with because of prohibition and a shortage of supply, and since being legalized rather than producers lowering the price they kept it stable
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Ezuma] 1
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It's textbook economics- Lower supply and higher demand for good bud = higher prices.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted]
#23777077 - 10/27/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Find a better source, 150/oz isn't uncommon for quality stuff but the markets so flooded you can find great stuff for as low as 120/oz or buy bulk like BigWorm said.
Also consider growing your own if possible, you can read up on some cheap simple starting grow methods and go from there.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted] 1
#23777127 - 10/27/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you apply progressive logic to this...
Weed is so expensive because the growers are greedy, the only solution is to give govt complete control of growing and distribution.
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Weed is so expensive because the growers are greedy, the only solution is to give govt complete control of growing and distribution.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted]
#23777217 - 10/27/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you guys were growers, how much would you sell your product for?
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: shadyy]
#23777259 - 10/27/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i hate liz said: If you guys were growers, how much would you sell your product for?
That depends on a lot of factors honestly
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: musiclover420]
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: musiclover420]
#23777269 - 10/27/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I grew back in 2011-2012, I'd sell pounds for $2200 to dispensaries and anyone else if they got to me first. I think dispensaries could flip that for up to 5500 or even 6000, but the price kept things sellable for me and I never had to fuck with selling small amounts of anything which would have been annoying and time consuming.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted] 2
#23778348 - 10/27/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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1. It costs pretty good money to grow top quality herb and maintain a fully controlled indoor environment (which most grows are). To consistently grow top shelf herb which you are supplying to dispensaries and has to meet a certain quality standard requires a lot of time, work and money. People don't give that shit away for free ya know. I wouldn't. My time and work is worth something.
2. Not so much of an issue anymore in many states... but... Illegal.
- It's like the people who think people should just give acid away to everyone for free. Because it's acid. That's a great concept and all.. if you shit sheets of LSD or are made of money and don't care. But you can't feed yourself with nothing but sheets of acid, I've tried
It's not like the guy giving it to you isn't risking 4 concurrent life sentences in prison to bring it to you. Is $5-10 too much to ask for an 8 hour trip when the person giving it to you is risking their very freedom to do so? Are they greedy capitalist pig for wanting something back for their investment and risking THEIR freedom and bringing you something YOU want? Anyone who thinks that is probably retarded. Sure the guy selling hits for 25 a pop is kind of a dick.... and the guy selling nbomes and trying to pass it off as LSD can go fuck himself with a ten foot spear.. But when people complain about having to pay fucking $5 or $10 for a hit of real genuine LSD, I just want to bitch smack them... hard. Risk VS Reward. Want vs Need. LSD doesn't fall from the fucking sky. Weed grows everywhere on the planet but top shelf weed doesn't fall from the sky either. People will gladly go waste $150 on a night of drinking they don't remember and feel like shit the next day but somehow spending a little bit of money on "the good" drugs is criminal or something. I don't get it personally... it makes no sense. If you don't want to pay for it then grow or make it yourself. But that usually costs money too AND requires.. effort
Even in states where pot was legal or decriminalized, dispensaries and growers following the law to the T got their shit raided by Feds. That's a risk you take. If pot was legal universally it would be much cheaper, because everyone would be growing it. It's MUCH more accepted now.. but it's still illegal federally and in a ton of states. It's in a grey area.
3. Supply and demand. This is pretty basic.... if everyone and their brother was growing top shelf herb, the prices would drop significantly.
4. You are usually paying the markup for several middle-men in-between you and the grower. Consider a dispensary a brick and mortar retail store like Best Buy or anything else, you are paying full price or a high markup. You buy at a dispensary you are also paying their rent. TVs don't cost hundreds of dollars to make but people gladly pay that all day long. Unless you want to make one yourself and save some money or find the Chinese connection.. you are paying for the convenience. Are all the TV makers in collusion to fix the prices? Maybe... or maybe that's just the accepted standard which they've decided they can sell them at and pay all their employees and stay in business.
Want to avoid it all? Make friends with a grower and pay the wholesale prices. Or become one yourself.
Not necessarily addressing you in these points... you're just asking a good simple question to which there's numerous variables, but these are some attitudes I've seen.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Shroomism] 1
#23778530 - 10/27/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fucking well said, man.
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It's like the people who think people should just give acid away to everyone for free. Because it's acid. That's a great concept and all.. if you shit sheets of LSD or are made of money and don't care. But you can't feed yourself with nothing but sheets of acid, I've tried
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted]
#23778540 - 10/27/16 09:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: I can sort of understand why prices get fixed pretty high in a black market, but it seems like even in places where it's legal or sold medicinally the price doesn't go down a whole lot and sometimes it can even be MORE expensive. When I went to Spain I found out weed was quasi-legal in Barcelona and was sold in "Compassion Clubs" and I got a quarter for 55 Euros which at that time was about 85 bucks. It was qualitatively comparable to the weed I get in Texas, which I can get for $90 a quarter. In California the bud was a bit cheaper, I scored a gram of bud similar to what I smoke here for 10 bucks, and there was definitely some amazing stuff going around, but all that A++ stuff sold for the same price as what I pay here if not more.
It seems like in a legal market there ought to be investors and mass producers who are driving the price down, no? I don't know much at all about the weed growing process, is it really enough to justify the seemingly exorbitant prices we see on this small amounts of plant matter? I can't think of any other plant that costs this much by weight
Risk premium.
When I grew weed it was my life on the line. I knew if I was captured it was prison. I grew high quality and it commanded top dollar too. I would never have done it if there was nothing in it for me.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#23778547 - 10/27/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I stated pretty clearly that I understood why prices were high in prohibition states did I not?
btw good post Shroomism thanks I enjoyed your little tangent about selling acid
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: yogabunny]
#23778556 - 10/27/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yogabunny said: Fucking well said, man.
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It's like the people who think people should just give acid away to everyone for free. Because it's acid. That's a great concept and all.. if you shit sheets of LSD or are made of money and don't care. But you can't feed yourself with nothing but sheets of acid, I've tried


But seriously morrowwasted; I am in cali. And you can get quality stuff for 10$ a gram
Fire in dispensaries is 20$ a gram. I mean the best stuff on the market is 20$ a g. In high school a buddy of mine bought oz's from a grower at $90. Thats pennies
I think texas just stigmatizes weed. As such, low supply. Low supply +high demand -> high prices
Also; spanish people don't take pride in their weed. People here in cali take weed very seriously. I don't smoke weed any more. So thats just me. But weed is a serious SERIOUS business endevor to most here. As such, most high school kids could afford to smoke daily and be high most of the time while not wasting too much of their cash. I know a lot of kids here in cali who have been stoned from the age of 14-15ish up until early 20's on shoestring budgets
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted]
#23778566 - 10/27/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: I stated pretty clearly that I understood why prices were high in prohibition states did I not?
btw good post Shroomism thanks I enjoyed your little tangent about selling acid
Yes you did. I didn't actually read what I quoted when I replied. Fair enough, my bad, forgive me I'm drunk.
But as it happens I remember a bit from my economics electives... I'll put on my economist hat and try to actually give an intelligent answer now.
I suppose that its because export demand eats up a lot of the weed. Commodities go where they can fetch the best market price. That's pure capitalism. The artificial demand from prohibition states like mine means that all your excess capacity gets exported and it doesn't move domestic prices much for that reason.
I could make some graphs to make a visual explanation to go along with my simple explanation, but like I said, I'm drunk right now.
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You can likely find tasty, frosty weed for <$200/ounce by you; "Cali/CO/OR mids" It's probably not be the most potent, obviously, but if you simply want to smoke properly-grown weed, it's just a matter of finding it. You've probably heard of ~$100/oz's of indoor/greenhouse in those states, that's what I'm talking about here. FWIW, younger kids seem to be more used to these cheaper prices and quality of bud. Some people would just rather pay more for especially potent weed. Many older people probably have been for years- The difference between $3,200/lb and $3,600 is relatively lesser than the difference between $2,800 and $3,200.
@Topdog I'm really curious as to why you don't think Spanish smokers take pride in their weed. A lot of of good genetics come from Spain.
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Anyone who has a problem with the cost of cannabis should go ahead and price out the cost for a grow of about 24-36 plants using top of the line lights, genetics, soil, nutes and other essential equipment.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: yogabunny]
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For reals though. It can be done on the cheap for a few K.. not to mention the electric bill
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: DustBunny]
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DustBunny said: You can likely find tasty, frosty weed for <$200/ounce by you; "Cali/CO/OR mids" It's probably not be the most potent, obviously, but if you simply want to smoke properly-grown weed, it's just a matter of finding it. You've probably heard of ~$100/oz's of indoor/greenhouse in those states, that's what I'm talking about here. FWIW, younger kids seem to be more used to these cheaper prices and quality of bud. Some people would just rather pay more for especially potent weed. Many older people probably have been for years- The difference between $3,200/lb and $3,600 is relatively lesser than the difference between $2,800 and $3,200.
@Topdog I'm really curious as to why you don't think Spanish smokers take pride in their weed. A lot of of good genetics come from Spain.
well weed is part of our culture in cali. All my coworkers smoke it, or have smoked it. In india for example, I am sure there are quality growers. But when I went, the weed was shit. And it was stigmatized
In general, the same way amsterdam is "known" for its E, cali is "known" for its bud. I am not bragging or trying to get "greater than thou". I smoke a few times a year. I am not branding or advertising my state. Its practically a known fact that the most money, culture and awareness around weed on the entire globe is in california. As such, you get tons of high quality weed for cheap. I think its great. But the downside is people start smoking as young as 14 etc.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: topdog82]
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That's true but I don't know why you are picking on Spain lol. Spain is legit. Unless by spanish people you meant Mexican lol. Far as I am aware, Spaniards are connoisseurs.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: topdog82]
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It costs a lot of money to set up and run a completely controlled and dialed-in environment cleanly, especially if you factor in labor. Running a commercial indoor operation on a scale big enough to meet the demand for the country, or state, or city, or anything is a huge logistical and financial obstacle. Electricity and water costs are staggering to run a big one. Sure you could make great weed on a small scale for relatively cheap, but the costs (and headaches) seem to go up exponentially with the square footage of the operation.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: abltsandwich]
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Because you always get what you pay for? Goes for literally anything that you buy.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: abltsandwich]
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Op, you need to find better connects, I can get a quarter of superb weed for $50, and ounces for $180. I can't understand how people pay those prices, I wouldn't tolerate that. Especially since I am a great customer.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: yogabunny]
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Sure, but the returns from even your first grow would take care of that. And then it's mainly profit after that, aside from a few minor expenses.
People charge those prices to make more profit, plain and simple. It could be loads cheaper, and will be once it becomes legal. Then all those shyster pot dealers will need to find real jobs.
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It's basically the same prices as street here in Washington. I live in a town of 40k and we have like 6 rec stores and double for medicinal. Your gonna pay 25-40 an eighth. 40 for a gram of wax a little less for shatter.
Your getting top shelf stuff no matter where you go. It's a lot easier to go into the store than wait on somebody. My time is valuable.
I rarely smoke but I do have a vape pen and a gram of wax lasts me months.
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yogabunny said: Anyone who has a problem with the cost of cannabis should go ahead and price out the cost for a grow of about 24-36 plants using top of the line lights, genetics, soil, nutes and other essential equipment.

Sure, but the returns from even your first grow would take care of that. And then it's mainly profit after that, aside from a few minor expenses.
People charge those prices to make more profit, plain and simple. It could be loads cheaper, and will be once it becomes legal. Then all those shyster pot dealers will need to find real jobs.
Shysters? Are farmers not real jobs? What about grocery stores? Not real jobs? I think you underestimate the cost of maintenance for a large operation.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: morrowasted]
#23778853 - 10/27/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It seems like in a legal market there ought to be investors and mass producers who are driving the price down, no? I don't know much at all about the weed growing process, is it really enough to justify the seemingly exorbitant prices we see on this small amounts of plant matter? I can't think of any other plant that costs this much by weight
Quality weed is expensive because its quality
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23778856 - 10/27/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not you are just getting ripped off.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Shroomism]
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yogabunny said: Anyone who has a problem with the cost of cannabis should go ahead and price out the cost for a grow of about 24-36 plants using top of the line lights, genetics, soil, nutes and other essential equipment.

Sure, but the returns from even your first grow would take care of that. And then it's mainly profit after that, aside from a few minor expenses.
People charge those prices to make more profit, plain and simple. It could be loads cheaper, and will be once it becomes legal. Then all those shyster pot dealers will need to find real jobs.
Shysters? Are farmers not real jobs? What about grocery stores? Not real jobs? I think you underestimate the cost of maintenance for a large operation.
Man, we're talking about paying for grams of flowers here. If you think it's tough for people in states where it's legal, to maintain and operate a large grow you are overestimating the situation.
And I'm not saying the growers are shysters, but dealers, the middlemen of the drug world. Once anyone can grow it themselves prices will drop significantly. The main problem is too many switching of hands drives the price up.
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Nah I don't think that's true as most people aren't going to want to grow there own. Just like I don't raise my own cows to eat.
I'd rather pay a decent amount for quality shit and the only time investment is going to the store and back. 10 minutes of my time as opposed to months maintaining and growing it. No thanks.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Enjoywho]
#23778916 - 10/28/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd rather pay a decent amount for quality shit and the only time investment is going to the store and back. 10 minutes of my time as opposed to months maintaining and growing it. No thanks.
To each his own, convenience is a big part for sure, that is one thing that keeps prices high as well. But at that point you're really just paying more for some one to sell it to you. And I'll pass on that.
I understand where you are coming from, but you also have to understand that there are plenty of people out there who only don't grow for legal reasons. And in reality most people wouldn't need more than a plant or two to suffice. Sure it wouldn't make a huge impact, though it should be enough of one to lower prices, or at least slow the inflation rate.
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Growing top shelf weed requires too much resources for your average person to supply themselves consistently. I could see some people trying their hand at it for a few runs but how many people would continue past that? Probably a small minority.
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That's where most people are coming from though. Most people don't want to be bothered to grow it even if it was legal. People might say they would, but in reality most people wouldn't put in the effort. It takes time, effort, money, care and constant maintenance to maintain a crop. Most people would rather just shell out some cash and get high.
Yes we are talking about grams of flowers. Do you know in Japan, they sell gourmet watermelons in department stores that cost like $100? High end, really fucking expensive fruit. Because it's the best. Because they put a ton of time and effort into making it the best. How is gourmet weed any different then anything else?
Middle men are involved in pretty much any transaction unless you go to the source yourself....
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Shroomism]
#23778963 - 10/28/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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We're on a website dedicated to mushrooms, and the cultivation of those mushrooms. And you're gonna tell me that people couldn't have a small top shelf grow of their own?
Look at all the information that exists about growing great mushrooms on your own right here. It may not be as time consuming or meticulous, but it's not that much more difficult to grow good weed. I haven't really spent any time in the growery, but I'm sure they could help someone accomplish it fairly easily.
I've grown a few plants in my day, and it's not a walk in the park, but it's not infeasible for dedicated people to pull it off. A few plants is not too much maintenance, and has good yields for personal use.
Grow a plant, don't be a lazy stoner.
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LOL, dude I've grown plenty. I'm talking about MOST PEOPLE. The average person doesn't give a fuck enough to expend all the effort and resources to grow plants continuously. People can do whatever the fuck they want. I would encourage people to grow. I'm just saying most people wouldn't. I know humans. Sure, some people would try, most would end up saying fuck it.
Right now, I don't give a fuck, because I don't have the time to invest in that shit. I've got more important shit in my life to worry about. Pot is still important though, so I buy it. There's always going to be a market for it.
Just because you CAN grow something, doesn't mean you have to. You like corn? Better fucking grow it all yourself, lazy food eater.
Lazy stoner? I work fucking 60 hours a week GTFO with that shit lol
I grow cacti. Those take like 30 fucking years
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Most everything involved with growing top shelf weed is more tedious and expensive than growing a batch of shrooms. Very little of shroom growing experience carries over to make growing weed easier.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: abltsandwich]
#23778985 - 10/28/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah you can grow a mountain of shrooms with like a $100 investment. Top shelf not so much...vastly more expensive and a completely different skillset and requires far more maintenance. Most people prefer to just buy their drugs.... thus thank god for drug dealers and producers.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: abltsandwich]
#23778988 - 10/28/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not talking about most people, I said there would be plenty who would. I've worked 60 hour weeks too, it sucks, but there is still plenty of time. Just lack of desire, I get that, I've been there, after working 10, 12, or however many hours, you don't want to come home and deal with it.
This keeps being compared to food, and farmers, which is necessity, when weed is commodity. Spend your money on the things you need, spend your time on the things you love.Quote:
abltsandwich said: Most everything involved with growing top shelf weed is more tedious and expensive than growing a batch of shrooms. Very little of shroom growing experience carries over to make growing weed easier.
I'm not trying to say that a knowledge of growing mushrooms will help you grow good weed. Just that there is enough information out there for people with a desire and good comprehension to get the job done. Sure it may not be the best quality out there, but that comes with time, as with anything.
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Yeah, although most smokers probably wouldn't bother, but it is quite easy after you learn a little about the growing process/techniques/etc. Even a small say 1m x 1m x 1.5m size box, even made of MDF sheeting nailed together (that was basically my old, customized growbox anyway, pretty much) anyways, dirt cheap, then yeah you gotta buy a light(s) fan carbon filter nutes pots etc so you'd probably need about $500 to set up something that'll be able to give you consistent yields of top bud every couple months - of whatever strain you like, too! - It's all about the right technique.
a VERY small smace can be converted into a growbox for a couple hundred bucks - I mean people grow weed successfully in fucking computer cases for gods sake - Really you dont need much if you're doing a VERY basic grow, not that that's bad, you can still get top weed.
One of my most memorable things about my time growing was some of my favorite weed yet, Original Haze - I just left it outside in the garden and although it hadn't 100% ripened it was good enough and I had to cut it down very quickly when it started to snow ( ) - It was so smooth, tasty, mellow, and a really nice 'all-day' sorta buzz.
I threw a seed in the ground and with minimal effort I got 3-4 Oz of good weed.
Sure it wasn't the best but I just wanted to demonstrate how little effort is actually required to grow decent weed.
The square footage of the grow, as it gets bigger, costs dramatically increase, and it is a lot of effort growing TOP bud (which I did in my indoor grows, getting over 100g's a plant of top Original Blueberry, Afghan Kush, and all sorts)
The legal risk is still relatively high IMO (from what I've gathered from reading shit anyway) so there's that too.
Really the bit where someone said 'you sell for what people will pay' - The dispensaries etc aren't just going to slash the standard black market price people are used too, it'd be silly, they know people will and are used to paying that much for their weed, so in a business model, it'd be utterly stupid to not keep the prices relatively steady.
Oh and really growing weed small scale really isn't that much more difficult to grow shrooms, it just needs reading up on different things and takes more time and effort,
But I'll tell ya...
Growing your own bud is FAAAR more rewarding than growing shrooms, when the plants are flowering, being in the grow with them is just a fantastic thing
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Tcm19277]
#23779038 - 10/28/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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quality is a matter of opinion. if it's over priced, don't pay...there are cheaper buds that can produce a near-similar effect, so what is the point in trying to afford more "quality" weed, when the weed ain't stronger, per se?
but yeah...the price increases because the producer will either arbitrarily mark up the prices, or because this is their full-time-job, and they have to make different prices for different supply in order to sell different kinds of weed. different kind usually is a matter of (from a professional) mids and high-grade -- why? so there is a reason to buy one over the other. might be underhanded or it might not be -- depends on the situation.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: yogabunny] 1
#23779232 - 10/28/16 05:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yogabunny said: Anyone who has a problem with the cost of cannabis should go ahead and price out the cost for a grow of about 24-36 plants using top of the line lights, genetics, soil, nutes and other essential equipment.

dont forget the labor involved, it's easy to toss a bunch of seeds in some dirt and just let them grow without tending to them other than to add some water during dry spells, if you dont care about checking for and eliminating pests, culling males and having the females go to seed in addition to trimming, prunings and the other associated labor. sure, lights and nutes are expensive but those lights and ventilation is only initial costs on start up with a minimal recurring cost on replacement bulbs, once you have the gear you arent replacing it with every grow, the cost associated with growing is mostly for the grower's time otherwise we's all be smoking some brown, seedy weed
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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quality has a lot of costs going into it, electricity (indoor), nutrients, soils, hydroponics, lighting, plus all the time and effort of growing for three or more months also adds to that costs.
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LogicaL Chaos said: quality has a lot of costs going into it, electricity (indoor), nutrients, soils, hydroponics, lighting, plus all the time and effort of growing for three or more months also adds to that costs.
again, you pay for the lights once other than bulb replacement and should a ballast go out you incur that cost as well but ballasts are designed to last for years, ventilation is another high cost, it's easy to spend several grand on lights, fans, ducts, etc... but once they're in place they're no longer a cost. nutrients and growing mediums are a recurring cost so they certainly factor in with each crop as does labor, a good grower doesnt believe in 'set it and forget it', a good grower will be tending to those plants regularly, when you're looking at 20-30 plants it does become a full time job and it is a skilled trade
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Usually its between $180 to $200 an oz of +++ bud. $1800 to $2200 a LB depending.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23779438 - 10/28/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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True. Once they are bought, they dont add to the cost per say, but im sure lighting is factored in there as "overhead costs" (hehe a pun).
But another factor is also supply, demand, and what shitty weed cost for the a specific weight. Comp bud drives the price for being similar and thus costs are similar too.
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23779495 - 10/28/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Top shelf costs me $5/g
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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: abltsandwich]
#23779805 - 10/28/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: Growing top shelf weed requires too much resources for your average person to supply themselves consistently. I could see some people trying their hand at it for a few runs but how many people would continue past that? Probably a small minority.
this most people end up with really nice looking buds but they don't smoke well do to lack of expertise. that segment of the market (top mid grade) is over saturated.
i can pick up 20+% thc buds at the club for 10 a g.
bigger buys i go through someone who grows for anywhere between 150 to 200 and oz.
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