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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: BrotherManBill]
    #23778933 - 10/28/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Growing top shelf weed requires too much resources for your average person to supply themselves consistently.  I could see some people trying their hand at it for a few runs but how many people would continue past that?  Probably a small minority.


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: BrotherManBill]
    #23778938 - 10/28/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That's where most people are coming from though. Most people don't want to be bothered to grow it even if it was legal. People might say they would, but in reality most people wouldn't put in the effort.
It takes time, effort, money, care and constant maintenance to maintain a crop. Most people would rather just shell out some cash and get high.

Yes we are talking about grams of flowers. Do you know in Japan, they sell gourmet watermelons in department stores that cost like $100?
High end, really fucking expensive fruit. Because it's the best. Because they put a ton of time and effort into making it the best.
How is gourmet weed any different then anything else?

Middle men are involved in pretty much any transaction unless you go to the source yourself....


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23778963 - 10/28/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

We're on a website dedicated to mushrooms, and the cultivation of those mushrooms. And you're gonna tell me that people couldn't have a small top shelf grow of their own?

Look at all the information that exists about growing great mushrooms on your own right here. It may not be as time consuming or meticulous, but it's not that much more difficult to grow good weed. I haven't really spent any time in the growery, but I'm sure they could help someone accomplish it fairly easily.

I've grown a few plants in my day, and it's not a walk in the park, but it's not infeasible for dedicated people to pull it off. A few plants is not too much maintenance, and has good yields for personal use.

Grow a plant, don't be a lazy stoner.


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: BrotherManBill]
    #23778970 - 10/28/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

LOL, dude I've grown plenty. I'm talking about MOST PEOPLE. The average person doesn't give a fuck enough to expend all the effort and resources to grow plants continuously. 
People can do whatever the fuck they want. I would encourage people to grow. I'm just saying most people wouldn't. I know humans.
Sure, some people would try, most would end up saying fuck it.

Right now, I don't give a fuck, because I don't have the time to invest in that shit. I've got more important shit in my life to worry about.
Pot is still important though, so I buy it. There's always going to be a market for it.

Just because you CAN grow something, doesn't mean you have to. You like corn? Better fucking grow it all yourself, lazy food eater.

Lazy stoner? I work fucking 60 hours a week GTFO with that shit lol

I grow cacti. Those take like 30 fucking years


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: BrotherManBill]
    #23778974 - 10/28/16 12:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Most everything involved with growing top shelf weed is more tedious and expensive than growing a batch of shrooms.  Very little of shroom growing experience carries over to make growing weed easier.


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23778985 - 10/28/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah you can grow a mountain of shrooms with like a $100 investment. Top shelf not so much...vastly more expensive and a completely different skillset and requires far more maintenance.
Most people prefer to just buy their drugs.... thus thank god for drug dealers and producers.


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23778988 - 10/28/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not talking about most people, I said there would be plenty who would. I've worked 60 hour weeks too, it sucks, but there is still plenty of time. Just lack of desire, I get that, I've been there, after working 10, 12, or however many hours, you don't want to come home and deal with it.

This keeps being compared to food, and farmers, which is necessity, when weed is commodity. Spend your money on the things you need, spend your time on the things you love.
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Most everything involved with growing top shelf weed is more tedious and expensive than growing a batch of shrooms.  Very little of shroom growing experience carries over to make growing weed easier.




I'm not trying to say that a knowledge of growing mushrooms will help you grow good weed. Just that there is enough information out there for people with a desire and good comprehension to get the job done. Sure it may not be the best quality out there, but that comes with time, as with anything.


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: BrotherManBill]
    #23778991 - 10/28/16 01:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You are wrong sir, weed is a necessity. Wheat is a commodity.


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: BrotherManBill]
    #23779026 - 10/28/16 01:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, although most smokers probably wouldn't bother, but it is quite easy after you learn a little about the growing process/techniques/etc. Even a small say 1m x 1m x 1.5m size box, even made of MDF sheeting nailed together (that was basically my old, customized growbox anyway, pretty much) anyways, dirt cheap, then yeah you gotta buy a light(s) fan carbon filter nutes pots etc so you'd probably need about $500 to set up something that'll be able to give you consistent yields of top bud every couple months - of whatever strain you like, too! - It's all about the right technique.

a VERY small smace can be converted into a growbox for a couple hundred bucks - I mean people grow weed successfully in fucking computer cases for gods sake - Really you dont need much if you're doing a VERY basic grow, not that that's bad, you can still get top weed.

One of my most memorable things about my time growing was some of my favorite weed yet, Original Haze - I just left it outside in the garden and although it hadn't 100% ripened it was good enough and I had to cut it down very quickly when it started to snow (:crazy:) - It was so smooth, tasty, mellow, and a really nice 'all-day' sorta buzz.

I threw a seed in the ground and with minimal effort I got 3-4 Oz of good weed.

Sure it wasn't the best but I just wanted to demonstrate how little effort is actually required to grow decent weed.


The square footage of the grow, as it gets bigger, costs dramatically increase, and it is a lot of effort growing TOP bud (which I did in my indoor grows, getting over 100g's a plant of top Original Blueberry, Afghan Kush, and all sorts)


The legal risk is still relatively high IMO (from what I've gathered from reading shit anyway) so there's that too.


Really the bit where someone said 'you sell for what people will pay' - The dispensaries etc aren't just going to slash the standard black market price people are used too, it'd be silly, they know people will and are used to paying that much for their weed, so in a business model, it'd be utterly stupid to not keep the prices relatively steady.


Oh and really growing weed small scale really isn't that much more difficult to grow shrooms, it just needs reading up on different things and takes more time and effort,

But I'll tell ya...

Growing your own bud is FAAAR more rewarding than growing shrooms, when the plants are flowering, being in the grow with them is just a fantastic thing :loveeyes:


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Tcm19277]
    #23779038 - 10/28/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

quality is a matter of opinion. if it's over priced, don't pay...there are cheaper buds that can produce a near-similar effect, so what is the point in trying to afford more "quality" weed, when the weed ain't stronger, per se?

but yeah...the price increases because the producer will either arbitrarily mark up the prices, or because this is their full-time-job, and they have to make different prices for different supply in order to sell different kinds of weed. different kind usually is a matter of (from a professional) mids and high-grade -- why? so there is a reason to buy one over the other. might be underhanded or it might not be -- depends on the situation.


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: yogabunny] * 1
    #23779232 - 10/28/16 05:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Anyone who has a problem with the cost of cannabis should go ahead and price out the cost for a grow of about 24-36 plants using top of the line lights, genetics, soil, nutes and other essential equipment.


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dont forget the labor involved, it's easy to toss a bunch of seeds in some dirt
and just let them grow without tending to them other than to add some water during
dry spells, if you dont care about checking for and eliminating pests, culling
males and having the females go to seed in addition to trimming, prunings and the
other associated labor. sure, lights and nutes are expensive but those lights and
ventilation is only initial costs on start up with a minimal recurring cost on
replacement bulbs, once you have the gear you arent replacing it with every grow,
the cost associated with growing is mostly for the grower's time otherwise we's
all be smoking some brown, seedy weed


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23779249 - 10/28/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

quality has a lot of costs going into it, electricity (indoor), nutrients, soils, hydroponics, lighting, plus all the time and effort of growing for three or more months also adds to that costs.


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23779252 - 10/28/16 05:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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quality has a lot of costs going into it, electricity (indoor), nutrients, soils, hydroponics, lighting, plus all the time and effort of growing for three or more months also adds to that costs.





again, you pay for the lights once other than bulb replacement and should a ballast
go out you incur that cost as well but ballasts are designed to last for years,
ventilation is another high cost, it's easy to spend several grand on lights, fans,
ducts, etc... but once they're in place they're no longer a cost. nutrients and
growing mediums are a recurring cost so they certainly factor in with each crop as
does labor, a good grower doesnt believe in 'set it and forget it', a good grower
will be tending to those plants regularly, when you're looking at 20-30 plants it
does become a full time job and it is a skilled trade


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23779347 - 10/28/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Usually its between $180 to $200 an oz of +++ bud. $1800 to $2200 a LB depending.


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23779438 - 10/28/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

True. Once they are bought, they dont add to the cost per say, but im sure lighting is factored in there as "overhead costs" (hehe a pun).

But another factor is also supply, demand, and what shitty weed cost for the a specific weight. Comp bud drives the price for being similar and thus costs are similar too.


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23779495 - 10/28/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Top shelf costs me $5/g :shrug:


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Re: Why is quality weed so expensive? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23779805 - 10/28/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Growing top shelf weed requires too much resources for your average person to supply themselves consistently.  I could see some people trying their hand at it for a few runs but how many people would continue past that?  Probably a small minority.



this most people end up with really nice looking buds but they don't smoke well do to lack of expertise. that segment of the market (top mid grade) is over saturated.

i can pick up 20+% thc buds at the club for 10 a g.

bigger buys i go through someone who grows for anywhere between 150 to 200 and oz.


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