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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #23779868 - 10/28/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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They shouldn't be telling you anything
but asking you questions so you can calibrate yourself by yourself.






Word.

My therapist has hardly said a thing the times I have seen her, and I like that, need to get back to seeing her again, but at $85 for 45 mins I can't go as often as I would like.


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #23779919 - 10/28/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Jean-guy Masta said:
its maybe a science but its still a stupid and useless science, labeling people like that. i just dont see any benificial aspect to it

they will tell you your broken, your not normal , and then to repair you they will destroy you.

in primal tribes when someone is skizo. they are guided by other skizo/shaman. and become shamans. they are not broken useless on the contrary they are told they have a gift and feel like they have somekind of purpose

the rate of suicide because of mental illness in our culture is insane. and that is mainly because of psychoanalysis and social standard




no, it's not mainly because of psychoanalysts...social standard sure, everyone plays mindgames, they take what's there, and they don't put it back, making everyone scatter like rats in a maze. you should feel lucky to have someone who can help you. the suicide rate is only going up because people can't hardly contain their madness.

there is a route for shamanism opening up within the medical community, and has been on the scene since the early 50s....


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23779966 - 10/28/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Jean-guy Masta said:
the rate of suicide because of mental illness in our culture is insane. and that is mainly because of psychoanalysis



That's the most backwards thing I've heard anyone say for a long time. The way we are living (social standard) is all too clearly the root cause of the skyrocketing rate of mental health issues. As a friend once said to me:

'Mindfulness is the antidote to our culture.'

Psychoanalysis is a path to mindfulness, as much as meditation or any other path of self exploration. I've tried as many as I can find, and psychoanalysis in therapy has been one of the most useful tools for dealing with the hardships of my existence I have ever found.


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23780862 - 10/28/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Up to 90% of people who complete suicide have a mental disorder.

And from what I've said earlier, the success rates of treatment of mental disorders are better than many around here might imagine.   

So actually, mental health clinician's are saving people from suicide.


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23781421 - 10/28/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Psycho-analysis doesnt work on us schizophrenics. Just sayin




Yes it does. Carl Jung healed himself by following it all the way through.


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: Middleman] * 3
    #23781542 - 10/28/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Middleman is a delusional psychopath.

JSB is suffering from tiny penis syndrome.

Akira: nothing wrong.  Clean bill of health.

CrystaG:  Parents were too emotionally cold.


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: Hippocampus]
    #23781551 - 10/28/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Hippocampus said:
Up to 90% of people who complete suicide have a mental disorder.

And from what I've said earlier, the success rates of treatment of mental disorders are better than many around here might imagine.   

So actually, mental health clinician's are saving people from suicide.




I take issue with some of this though. Like in what consists of a "mental disorder"?


For bipolar disorder the culprit is a lack of the micronutrient Lithium. That is a clear disorder with a clear cause. Schizophrenia is too because of the extreme unawareness of reality. But there are so many grey areas. I think institutionalization is a huge problem in the modern world. When someone gets diagnosed with one thing or another they get treated differently. I can't tell you how many times I've went to my doctor with health concerns and the first thing he jumps to is depression or anxiety. I've basically stopped going to see my doctors because I don't feel like any of them take me seriously and the ones that do don't dig well enough to really understand my concerns and just throw some treatment (pills usually) at me.

That's depressing. It depresses me. Really badly. When my first 2nd and third opinions all make me feel like a fool or an attention whore because I have a history of mental health issues... that is a problem.


Anyway, depression. At a certain point I do believe it is truly a mental disorder. But the practice seems to have a really hard time separating normal depression or unhappiness do to normal circumstance and CLINICAL depression. Treating people that are suffering a loss or trying to find themselves like they are mentally ill is a problem too I think. It sets them up in the institution. It sets them up to be on mind altering drugs more often than not. Which I don't think should be prescribed in most cases of normal lose. You're supposed to feel sad when a family member dies until you can resolve it within your mind or manage to put it behind you. When you take a pill that alters those sadness chemicals in your mind I think it puts you behind in fixing the root of your depression when it has a real cause. Because it covers up the symptom. It's kind of like when someone gets hurt and the doctor never really identifies what is hurt other than some general area and gives the patient pain killers. And because the patient doesn't know what's wrong the the pain killer is numbing them they never can address the issue. And in that case it is very likely they'd do something to make the injury worse. I don't think that's impossible in the case of depression either.

Avoidance is a huge issue when dealing with mental problems. I think pills enable avoidance in people that have normal mental issues. And I think that's a big reason why mental illness is so prevalent in our current society. And why it gets "treated" so well. Because in cases like that and some instances of bipolar disorders and other disorders it's not a clinical disorder so much as an environmental circumstantial issue that drives a person into mental instability - and ones the circumstances change they are better. And others that are treated with pills for years upon years upon years, like my parents, they aren't actually healed. Nothing has changed. They just cover up the problems. Which I think often develops into worse problems.


Statistics are a finicky thing when it comes to mental illness. The definition itself is up for debate.



I think a big problem in our society in general is being unable to admit imperfection.


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23781554 - 10/28/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What about me Dr. Moommushroom?


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23781605 - 10/29/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
Middleman is a delusional psychopath.

JSB is suffering from tiny penis syndrome.

Akira: nothing wrong.  Clean bill of health.

CrystaG:  Parents were too emotionally cold.




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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23781620 - 10/29/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

PSYCHO ANAL


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23781623 - 10/29/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You made a lot of really fucking good points there. Well said.

I don't think mental health is nearly as cut and dry as we like to think, there are trillions of variables at play. Depending how you define "mental illness"...I think pretty much any person who has ever lived life would qualify. I think misdiagnosing happens ALL the time, and I think some of things we think are mental illnesses could be like 20 different things. ADD.. does it even really exist? They have no problem putting 6 year olds on meth.

How many mental health issues are actual chemical imbalances vs how many are just unstable due to poor environment or life circumstance? Yet the 'solution' is almost always the same, to treat it like a chemical imbalance. When we may not ever even understand the underlying cause of the problem, or they may never even care.. just treat the manifestation of the symptoms. That seems to be the go-to for the most part. Pills are almost never the answer. It's like chemo.... it has a 97% failure rate... so why is it still used?? Money. And only money. Same exact fucking story here. We're talking about a multi billion dollar a year industry here. They don't profit from actually fixing people. Just "treating" them. And who cares if they actually have a chemical imbalance or not... pump them full of mind altering drugs anyway.

I just remember being a teenager and they had me on paxil because I was depressed, and I remember feeling like a zombie, I vividly remember the feeling. I was still depressed as fuck.. none of that changed.. but it was hidden by a "chemical smile"...it was absolutely fake and I absolutely HATED it. I was emotionally flatlined and was incapable of even achieving an orgasm while on it, as a 16 year old. I wanted to kill myself because of this drug. What a fantastic treatment for depression. I told them and they wanted to up my dose, so I stopped taking them. So "lets try something else" they say. The story was similar with all the others, I could name at least 12 of the drugs they tried on me. Depakote, wellbutrin, paxil, zoloft, neurontin, risperdal, zyprexa, seroquel, geodon, lithium, saphris, abilify. Some were worse than others. None of them really helped the problem they claimed to be treating and most made more problems. All of them had terrible side effects except maybe the wellbutrin. Once I came of the age of consent I was like fuck your fucking shit. The whole thing just left a super bad taste in my mouth.

Anyway yeah mental problems. Put people in completely different better circumstances and watch them magically get better.. amazing how that works.

But yeah that's why I say the mental health industry is still in its infancy I think. We are still pretty primitive because we still don't understand a whole lot more about how the mind works.
Or maybe we do understand a lot more but the pharmaceutical industry has a stranglehold on it... sure seems like it. We've certainly advanced in the past 100 years.. but not THAT much in this field.
There is still a long way to go and a lot of improvements to be made and a deeper understanding that needs to occur.


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23781625 - 10/29/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Cookiecrumbs could be sane but everything we have seen here proves to the otherwise.  I would say she has a bitchmorphic personality disorder.


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23781667 - 10/29/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think I just became an atheist, seriously.  I don't think I wanted to admit this to myself, I think I wanted to think that something better of the world, but the world doesn't exist so fuck it.


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: Lucis] * 1
    #23781669 - 10/29/16 12:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The World :ancientaliens:


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: Great Scott]
    #23781672 - 10/29/16 12:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:, yeah I know right.


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: Lucis]
    #23781673 - 10/29/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Jesus loves the hell out of you though. Don't lose faith.


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: Shroomism]
    #23782407 - 10/29/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
But yeah that's why I say the mental health industry is still in its infancy I think. We are still pretty primitive because we still don't understand a whole lot more about how the mind works.
Or maybe we do understand a lot more but the pharmaceutical industry has a stranglehold on it... sure seems like it. We've certainly advanced in the past 100 years.. but not THAT much in this field.
There is still a long way to go and a lot of improvements to be made and a deeper understanding that needs to occur.




Well I agree with you on most of this. I had psychiatric drugs pushed on me at a young age too. Sometimes they helped and sometimes they didn't. But here I think we have made leaps and bounds in understanding the human mind. The problem is and always has been that it is a for-profit industry. School too. People go and get these degrees but as many of us have experienced the actual knowledge that comes with a degree varies alot. And pharma has a hand in all of it from start to finish.

Don't get me wrong, we have developed some great drugs too. But people are indeed frequently misdiagnosed and drugs are often overprescribed. And I think it's a combination of problems that is encouraged and backed by the heavy hand of big pharma. It's okay though. Society understanding that it doesn't need drugs to cure every aliment is in it's infancy. Well I mean we do have to figure it out sooner or later. Soon I think. Hopefully before collapse from instability of pushing constant profit ideas that don't work in the long run and superbugs.


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23782410 - 10/29/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Cookiecrumbs could be sane but everything we have seen here proves to the otherwise.  I would say she has a bitchmorphic personality disorder.




:rofl:
Awesome


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23782420 - 10/29/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Glad you agree with my diagnosis.  I was worried I was too drunk to be a doctor last night but apparently there is no such thing.  :thatsinteresting:


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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23782432 - 10/29/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You all are loons.  I'm the only sane person on this forum.


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