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tyrannicalrex
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PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE
#23776584 - 10/27/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are some of you psych students? Are some of you psychoanalysts or psychologists? I want to see an analysis on members here that people think are interesting or off their rockers! (a general analysis would be good too)
Please submit an analysis of the member of choice. Please be at least a student of psychology in the final year or practicing/working in psychology. I have always been interested in psychology. I was wondering about an analysis on people without ever seeing them in person.
Can one ascertain a fairly accurate profile just from posts here? Maybe some people write things that they would never say or do in real life, and that is what interests me about the analysis. You can start with me if you like.
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Jean-guy Masta
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psychoanalisism is fuckin bullshit.
i saw a psychiatrist last week. she only told me that weed was 36x times stronger then before so if i was smoking 5 joints per day it was the equivalent of 180 joints and that makes it toxic levels. and that im lucky to not be skizo. that im just anxious and have panic attack and need SSRI.
cant imagine if i told her about meth and acid and DMT and RCs.
psychiatrist will you tell you you are ADHD or OCD or Bipolar or whatever. but thats bullshit
you just are who you are period.
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tyrannicalrex
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I get what you say, but there is some validity to it.
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CookieCrumbs
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Psychoanalysis is a real science. Just because most psychiatrists and psychologists are idiots doesn't mean it's not a legitimate way to understand people.
IME yes most of them are idiots. But there are a handful of genuine professionals that will make you spit milk from your nose with the ways they read you.
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Psychoanalysis is the type of therapy first developed by Freud. It's the one where you sit on a couch where the patient can't see the doctor and they talk about their childhood. It is still relevant and certainly useful, especially in a therapudic approach involving integration of other evidence based treatments in addition to psychoanalysis.
But I think what you meant by psychoanalysis was just general theorizing about people based on psychology?
I'm interested in psychology. I have, and am currently studying it in college. But I don't have enough credits for a psych bachelor's degree.
I keep tabs on shroomery members who have self identified as having certain mental disorders. This is just out of personal interest. I think it will make me a better clinician someday because I have a great deal of info from here about how people with certain mental disorders think, what drugs they take, and how that's affected them. It really doesn't take much. I think a lot of doctors are out of touch with drug culture, and all the circumstances in general surrounding a person with a mental disorder. It all certainly affects the course of their diseases.
Currently I am taking an abnormal psychology class. Which is basically all of the mental disorders in the DSM 5. There are many people suffering from mental disorders of all sorts everywhere.
I don't want to call out any of the severely afflicted folks around here. They have enough problems without assholes on the internet calling attention to their troubles. They are for the most part just regular people who suffer from mental disorders.
The labels of mental disorders exist in order to categorize and try to HELP these people. That's the difficult part. And for some cases it's nearly impossible to help them. It's like a mystery you have to try to solve. Except the mystery might have multiple solutions, or no solution at all! It's hard enough to figure out someone's issues in person in an intimate setting. Trying to do that over the internet just adds a huge layer of disconnection. This is why it's considered unethical for licensed clinicians to diagnose or try to treat people who are not their patients.
I know of a couple psychologists on here. And I have never seen them really weigh in on anything psychology related except very general things. I assume they have all the real life cases and students they can handle, and trying to do it on shroomery would be just a huge waste of time for them.
Sorry for the long post. It's not really pub friendly.
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Jean-guy Masta
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its maybe a science but its still a stupid and useless science, labeling people like that. i just dont see any benificial aspect to it
they will tell you your broken, your not normal , and then to repair you they will destroy you.
in primal tribes when someone is skizo. they are guided by other skizo/shaman. and become shamans. they are not broken useless on the contrary they are told they have a gift and feel like they have somekind of purpose
the rate of suicide because of mental illness in our culture is insane. and that is mainly because of psychoanalysis and social standard
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Jean-guy Masta said: psychoanalisism is fuckin bullshit.
i saw a psychiatrist last week. she only told me that weed was 36x times stronger then before so if i was smoking 5 joints per day it was the equivalent of 180 joints and that makes it toxic levels. and that im lucky to not be skizo. that im just anxious and have panic attack and need SSRI.
cant imagine if i told her about meth and acid and DMT and RCs.
psychiatrist will you tell you you are ADHD or OCD or Bipolar or whatever. but thats bullshit
you just are who you are period.
Not all psychiatrists are the same, just like not all drug users are the same.
Some psychiatrists are quick to prescribe drugs because they actually make money by prescribing certain substances, so this is why you should not take one psychiatrists opinion about yourself as the gospel truth. They might be looking for a the smallest "negative" thing about yourself to focus on, so they have that eureka moment and think to themselves they just found the thing they can justifiably use to prescribe you a drug, and make money.
There is value in psychology/psychiatry.
If you see someone who is autistic you will hear about how they see what they're supposed to be doing, but they just can't do it, you're telling me that child is making that up? As his peers steam past him with good grades, and doing well in life, the pressure build on the child to perform, and if not dealt with properly, often leads to negative patterns in their life such as drug abuse, or other criminal behavior, or all around failure in life.
So should we just just be animals, pound our chests and say fuck it, there's no merit in science being able to fix this child, your psychology/psychiatry is bullshit voodoo?
Or perhaps your experience was negative. Always seek numerous opinions on any psychiatric matter.
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The science and the practice are 2 very different things. I agree with the science, I don't agree with the practice in the modern world. But the same could be said for healthcare in general. There is so much emphasis on "curing" and "treating" people when in reality people can often fix themselves with a little compassion and guidance.
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But I think what you meant by psychoanalysis was just general theorizing about people based on psychology?
Yes. Sorry I didn't realize the word specifically refereed to that one method.
I have always been extremely emphatic and observant. My psychoanalyzing of people really just started as an effort to understand others and myself. I have distanced myself from that in recent years because it can be really taxing to observe and be incapable of helping most of the time (even with myself.)
I also studied sociology a bit in college and it too is something I've always observed because it was a box I never fit in. I've always had this crushing feeling of "I don't belong here." So I totally get where you're coming from Jean-Guy.
What bothers me the most is how almost no one can see how badly social constructs manipulate them. How they can't even see what are social constructs. How they go on to develop mental and emotional issues by also trying to fit themselves into this box that was realistically made for only certain kinds of people. Drives me nuts. Modern psychiatry too is manipulated by social constructs. Healthcare too. There are professionals out there that understand this though and go against the grain.
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I haven't taken a sociology class yet. It'll be interesting to integrate that into my psychology education when I get there.
I get what you're saying about not being able to help people you have psychoanalyzed. Many people are their own worst enemies, and they don't want to follow treatments, or take any advice from anyone else. But they also don't help themselves. They just continue to suffer with their mental disorders for years and years.
But I think you're selling psyche and health care a little short. I always try to be skeptical and practice critical thinking. Personal anecdotes about psychology being useless are themselves useless. Especially coming from a bunch of people (shroomery members) with substance use issues who act like they couldn't possibly take a medication except as a last resort, but will regularly take dangerous levels of other psychotropic drugs for fun.
Anyway, The success rates for treating mental illness is actually pretty high.
According to the National Advisory Mental Health Council, the treatment success rate for bipolar disorder is a remarkable 80 percent. The recovery rates for other serious mental illnesses follow suit: major depression (65‐80 percent), schizophrenia (60 percent) and addiction (70 percent).
It gives me hope just reading that. Personally, I feel like the system is failing someone very close to me. Don't get me wrong. There is certainly room for vast improvements in care social constructs as you put it. I am keenly aware of the imperfections in the system. But it's not reason to throw it all away. What would be your replacement solution?
Personally, I feel I could do a lot better than many psychiatrists and psychologists. Just seeing how many of them work. For one, many psychologists are whacked out themselves. And psychiatrists tend to be busy as hell. So they don't spend enough time with patients to really provide a lot of help in some cases. Some people are just really tough mental cases and no matter how much time professionals spend with them it's not going to fix anything
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CookieCrumbs said: IME yes most of them are idiots. But there are a handful of genuine professionals that will make you spit milk from your nose with the ways they read you.
Absolutely. I really lucked out with mine, she happened to be the closest one to me and was the first one I tried and she's been worth her weight in gold considering how much she's helped me come to understand myself for who I really am at a time of absolute dissolution of almost every aspect of myself.
But I also know from anecdotal stories from loved ones just how bad some of them can be. It strikes me that a lot of the ones that are worth their weight in horseshit, rather than gold, got into the profession in order to help themselves, not to help others.
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Nah man I didn't say it is useless and that we should do away with it. I think we have things set up for mental healthcare in the best way we ever have. But it definitely needs some tweaks and some things ironed out.
I went through public healthcare (medicaid) to get mental health treatment a while back and I knew that it was going to be far from top notch shit. The first therapist I had pissed me all off. I felt like he was projecting shit on me. The second therapist didn't do much more other than talk to me like we were friends. Which was okay. It was enough for me at the time and I used it for what it was worth and I tried to get the most out of it and it helped me through one of the worst times in my life. I think the effort should be on the individual. It's misguidance on the most fragile among us that is the glaring problem here.
The psychiatrist is the main reason I stopped going though. I was trying to get off my meds and she kept fucking upping the dosage. That is a problem I see in all doctors, from any neck of the woods and in any profession: not listening to the patient and doing whatever the fuck they want. But I think this is a result of social constructs. There is a hierarchy and people in professions like these are dominant over others. It just is what it is. And it helps to create a mentality of superiority which then creates other problems. And all of society actively feeds that. You can't ask anyone for advice anymore without them saying "Go to a doctor" or "have you considered therapy?"
We are much less of a community are more of... what's the word... a very job oriented society I guess. Like community things are out. We have people that are paid to do that. And we should use the people that are paid. If that makes sense?
I'm very manic right now. Go figure.
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tyrannicalrex said: Are some of you psych students? Are some of you psychoanalysts or psychologists? I want to see an analysis on members here that people think are interesting or off their rockers! (a general analysis would be good too)
Please submit an analysis of the member of choice. Please be at least a student of psychology in the final year or practicing/working in psychology. I have always been interested in psychology. I was wondering about an analysis on people without ever seeing them in person.
Can one ascertain a fairly accurate profile just from posts here? Maybe some people write things that they would never say or do in real life, and that is what interests me about the analysis. You can start with me if you like.
Psycho-analysis doesnt work on us schizophrenics. Just sayin
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tyrannicalrex said: Maybe some people write things that they would never say or do in real life, and that is what interests me about the analysis.
Everything I post about which is related to psychology/psychiatry on the boards, comes from my own experiences in life, or from observing others, and is truth from my heart, how I live in the real world. I am blunt, and see no gain in making posts that are fictional regarding such matters.
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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: Lucis]
#23778285 - 10/27/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not a psych student or expert or anything, and I haven't studied any one member in particular to make any sort of assessment. But holy fuck, Kanye West is super bipolar. Some people it's just too painfully obvious.
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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: Lucis]
#23778324 - 10/27/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fennario said: Everything I post about which is related to psychology/psychiatry on the boards, comes from my own experiences in life, or from observing others, and is truth from my heart, how I live in the real world. I am blunt, and see no gain in making posts that are fictional regarding such matters.
Can you give it a rest with thinking exactly the way I think for a little while you motherfucker you?!?! As if that wasn't enough it's starting to become apparent that you've spent a lot of your life doing exactly the the kind of things and drugs I do. It's beginning to disturb me.
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Fennario said: Everything I post about which is related to psychology/psychiatry on the boards, comes from my own experiences in life, or from observing others, and is truth from my heart, how I live in the real world. I am blunt, and see no gain in making posts that are fictional regarding such matters.
Can you give it a rest with thinking exactly the way I think for a little while you motherfucker you?!?! As if that wasn't enough it's starting to become apparent that you've spent a lot of your life doing exactly the the kind of things and drugs I do. It's beginning to disturb me.
I think the same thing about you, seriously, it's actually kind of scary, like you're my brother from another mother.
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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: Crystal G]
#23778655 - 10/27/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: I'm not a psych student or expert or anything, and I haven't studied any one member in particular to make any sort of assessment. But holy fuck, Kanye West is super bipolar. Some people it's just too painfully obvious.
Lol how did kanye get himself involved with this
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Re: PSYCHOANALIZING PEOPLE [Re: Hippocampus] 3
#23779027 - 10/28/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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My main problem with the entire profession is the extreme push of pharmaceuticals to treat pretty much anything. They just want to pump you full of meds and get their kickback or whatever. The fact that the pharmaceutical industry is so closely tied to the mental health industry is, pretty much evil. I realize some of the medications do help some people and there is value in some things. But on the whole....the shit is WAY over-prescribed.. it's their solution to everything. Drugs usually just mask the symptoms and in many cases make the problem worse. In lots of cases, the symptoms of the drugs you are taking are WORSE than what you are treating. The pills to treat depression cause impotence, inability to achieve orgasm, a zombie-like state of being, irregular heart rhythm and suicidal thoughts.. brilliant! I went through many years of therapy/psychiatrist/psychologists as a kid.. they diagnosed me with severe depression, schizoaffective, bipolar.. they were changing it up every couple months and put me on pretty much every drug out there. They didn't know what the fuck they were doing. Maybe I was just a damn kid going through a hard time after a rough childhood. It didn't really matter how I felt or what it did to me... they just wanted to use me as a guinea pig. There's much more to the stories but I'll end there. My experiences with psychiatrist/psychologists and shit scarred me. My mom thought she was helping but it fucked me up more I think. I stopped all that shit... got off all the pharmaceuticals and shit... and cured my depression myself. LSD may have been involved.
Now like 20 some years later, I'm in a much better place in life, but think I might have some symptoms of BPD or some variant thereof, it's the only thing that makes much sense, I meet many of the categories I think. Apparently that really can't be treated with drugs at all. But I'm so jaded against the mental health industry as a whole, that I'm pretty hesitant to even seek treatment. Dialectical behavior therapy is interesting and been reading about it. I like doing things myself. Hard to trust people with your intimate details.
I think the industry is in an extremely primitive state still.. they really don't know what the fuck they are doing more than half the time in my experience. We don't fully understand the brain yet, or even halfway understand it. So why do we assume that everything can be treated with pills? Right, because the pharmaceutical giants push it on them, it's a massive, massive, fucking massive for-profit industry. They don't profit off curing people, they do profit off treating them forever and prescribing a billion pills to take a year and perpetually just treating the symptoms. So where's the incentive for progress? Just one jaded perspective of it.
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Like any profession, there are bad eggs however it is an extremely important field of medicine.
I think the most powerful thing about therapy or what ever you wanna call it is when the therapist gets YOU to realize what you want They shouldn't be telling you anything but asking you questions so you can calibrate yourself by yourself. Your mind is a garden and a therapist can be a really useful gardening tool.
I got therapy in a week and I'm not going to figure anything major out I'm primarily going for legal issues and just to spill my guts because its super healthy.
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tyrannicalrex
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I had a really eclectic childhood (some would say dysfunctional, I like eclectic, LOL). I went to a therapist (last class for students) and it seemed to help with what I was going through mentally. I have never been diagnosed or medicated with anything, and I have never had anyone tell me I was really messed up mentally. The person that I saw told me that I was pretty well adjusted considering the things I told her. I feel like I could go for some more, but I really don't think I NEED to. Great responses to my thread all, thanks!
I do think therapy can improve and the use of all the meds to treat anything is crazy. If my mom had taken me to a psych when I was little, I may have been on many meds, IDK. I am not "crazy" but I have done some crazy things that would make someone wonder about my sanity/state of mind. (there are secrets I'll take to the grave, LOL)
"I think the most powerful thing about therapy or what ever you wanna call it is when the therapist gets YOU to realize what you want They shouldn't be telling you anything but asking you questions so you can calibrate yourself by yourself. Your mind is a garden and a therapist can be a really useful gardening tool."
Well put/said. I agree here.
I was just trying to see if some of you are students and/or practicing psych and would give me some free analysis, LOL! (that shit is expensive)
Highly interesting subject as well.
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