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Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber * 1
    #23775981 - 10/27/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hello, I did a bunch of research before posting this question and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

This is my second grow following PF Tek.  First one went perfectly and everything turned out great.  This one, I'm confused...

inoculated 9 jars.  Waited a week past 100% colonization.  Birthed, did a dunk-n-roll (24 hour dunk).  Fruiting chamber is 73 degrees, 95% humidity.  8 hrs/day of indirect natural light.  Lifting the lid and fanning 4-5 times/day.  Cakes have been in the chamber for a week.

I have one cake that is showing a small amount of fruit.  On the rest, no fruit, no pins - the mycelium just continues to grow, in some cases now growing over the vermiculite from the dunk-n-roll.

Can anyone help me get these cakes to kick into fruiting mode?

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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: JumboJimbo] * 1
    #23776001 - 10/27/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #23776023 - 10/27/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What he said ^


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: JumboJimbo] * 1
    #23776036 - 10/27/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Pinning is a slow process. it can take up to two to three weeks with some strains.

Be patient.

If your cakes are getting cotton-ball fuzzy, u need to increase FAE.


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: van hatton] * 2
    #23776044 - 10/27/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It can take up to 3 weeks to fruit depending on genetics.

Pictures will help us see if there are any obvious mistakes but don't worry and don't over do anything.


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: Edmunter] * 1
    #23776293 - 10/27/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They're never going to fruit if your whole fruiting chamber is 95% RH. At least not well. It's built wrong if the humidity is that high


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: Edmunter] * 1
    #23776303 - 10/27/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, all, for the quick responses.  This is a slightly different strain from my first try, so maybe it's just a slower mover than I had before.  Based on your comments, I'll try not to panic for a couple more weeks.

Chaos - you reference FAE - is this fresh air exchange (guessing)?  If so, I have over a hundred 1/4" holes drilled in my chamber and I'm fanning regularly.  How can I improve on this?  Again, sorry for the noob question.

For those that requested pics:
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Mycelium growing over verm:


The one cake that is fruiting:


Again - my thanks to all!


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: JumboJimbo] * 1
    #23776308 - 10/27/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

trim the foil back.

cakes like varying humidity. Are u misting then letting it dry then misting again?


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: JumboJimbo] * 1
    #23776309 - 10/27/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You cannot adjust FAE in a SGFC. It's either built correctly or not

Fanning is 100% pointless. The chamber has hundreds of holes its like rolling a window down on a motorcycle

Fanning was to remove mist particles after misting and only that reason. If you're fanning more times than you mist you didn't read the directions.


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #23776338 - 10/27/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Chaos - will trim the foil, thanks for the suggestion!

Bodhisatta - what humidity should I be at?  You say 95% is too high - what is just right?  As for fanning, I was under the impression that it was helpful in order to remove CO2?  Does FAE mean "fresh air exchange"?  And what does SGFC mean?  Again - noob here, not yet familiar with the lingo... 

Lastly, I'm not misting manually - I have a reptile mister to provide humidity. I can just turn it down (or on/off) if that will improve results.


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: JumboJimbo] * 1
    #23776423 - 10/27/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Chaos - will trim the foil, thanks for the suggestion!

Bodhisatta - what humidity should I be at?  You say 95% is too high - what is just right?  As for fanning, I was under the impression that it was helpful in order to remove CO2?  Does FAE mean "fresh air exchange"?  And what does SGFC mean?  Again - noob here, not yet familiar with the lingo... 

Lastly, I'm not misting manually - I have a reptile mister to provide humidity. I can just turn it down (or on/off) if that will improve results.



You shouldn't be measuring humidity
SGFC means shot gun fruiting chamber. Could look that up in the time it took to post. What directions did you follow to make your fruiting chamber?

If you did measure humidity with an ACCURATE hydrometer it would be 50-70 and fluctuate.

FAE is fresh air exchange. It is automatic, because of the holes in the chamber

Co2 doesn't get removed, co2 mixes with air immediately it doesn't settle out, or cars would kill us. And no one could work in a brewery.

Fanning is not FAE. To make fanning equal to fae you would fan 6-10 times an hour. Hence putting holes in the chamber

You mist your cakes 0-5 times a day depending if they need it or not.

Humidity needs to be 90-99% but only less than inch from the surface of the cake. As it evaporates off into the air around it


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #23776445 - 10/27/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I typed a massive thing that's exactly what he said aha ^

You wanna follow your tek to a t until you get it down then try something different


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber *DELETED* [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #23776461 - 10/27/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: JumboJimbo] * 1
    #23776490 - 10/27/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Just trying to get people to be self sufficient and think outside the box. Cultivation skills extended past just cultivation.

Maybe im condescending but there's noobs who's first post is 12 cakes fruiting wonderfully. The info is out there. Sometimes I just re-type it

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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: JumboJimbo] * 1
    #23776494 - 10/27/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Was that a speck of green on one of those picture?


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: Edmunter] * 1
    #23776510 - 10/27/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Edmunter - nah, no speck of green - although I did go back and have a close look at that cake after I posted the photo.  It's a shiny piece of verm that is reflecting the green from the foil.  Good eye, tho!


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #23776514 - 10/27/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Bod - LOL - OK, that's fair.  I actually should have posted my first cultivation, as I had 10 cakes that fruited brilliantly and I got 3 really nice flushes out of them.  Thought I was duplicating that effort this time but ran into the issues described in this thread.

The info is appreciated - truly!


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: JumboJimbo] * 1
    #23776520 - 10/27/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Now thats the way to make up quick.  Im taking notes..:takingnotes:


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: Edmunter] * 1
    #23776562 - 10/27/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

LOL!!  Yep!  I can get a little surly when I feel I'm being talked down to or disrespected, but I don't hold a grudge.  Life's too short to go carrying anger around, amiright?

BTW - 15 years happily (REALLY happily!!) married to my best friend, mostly because we don't hold on to stuff once it's resolved :smile:


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #23776568 - 10/27/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Chaos - will trim the foil, thanks for the suggestion!

Bodhisatta - what humidity should I be at?  You say 95% is too high - what is just right?  As for fanning, I was under the impression that it was helpful in order to remove CO2?  Does FAE mean "fresh air exchange"?  And what does SGFC mean?  Again - noob here, not yet familiar with the lingo... 

Lastly, I'm not misting manually - I have a reptile mister to provide humidity. I can just turn it down (or on/off) if that will improve results.



You shouldn't be measuring humidity
SGFC means shot gun fruiting chamber. Could look that up in the time it took to post. What directions did you follow to make your fruiting chamber?

If you did measure humidity with an ACCURATE hydrometer it would be 50-70 and fluctuate.

FAE is fresh air exchange. It is automatic, because of the holes in the chamber

Co2 doesn't get removed, co2 mixes with air immediately it doesn't settle out, or cars would kill us. And no one could work in a brewery.

Fanning is not FAE. To make fanning equal to fae you would fan 6-10 times an hour. Hence putting holes in the chamber

You mist your cakes 0-5 times a day depending if they need it or not.

Humidity needs to be 90-99% but only less than inch from the surface of the cake. As it evaporates off into the air around it




This isn't condescending at all. These vets here see your very same post day in and day out. He's 100% correct and apparently in a very generous mood. I haven't been here very long and I've grown weary of  :spoonfeedme:  the simplest searchable information.

I hope some of crew who are at their day jobs don't catch wind of your noob with a tood for your threads sake. GL with your grow.


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23776586 - 10/27/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

JEEEEEZ, Portabella - We sorted it out.  Why you gotta go stirrin' the pot?

I felt it was condescending.  He even agreed this might be the case.  I thanked him for his help.  I even deleted my post and admitted in the deletion that it was unhelpful.

Other folks saw we found a way to move past the potential ugliness and play nice...


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: JumboJimbo]
    #23776599 - 10/27/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Fanning is 100% pointless. The chamber has hundreds of holes its like rolling a window down on a motorcycle




I agree on the fanning not really being necessary in the sgfc, but if you decide you need to decrease the air exchange for some reason(maybe if the humidity was too low for some reason) you can always just tape over some of the holes.


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: JumboJimbo]
    #23776610 - 10/27/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

And to be honest these guys love helping others and enjoy a little ticking off now and again too.  When my confidence is down I ask far too many questions but when im in a good mood I give extra help to the simplest of questions to make up for it.    I try to be a nice guy but Bod is 'Mad, Bad and Dangerous to Know'  and a bloody knowledgeable guy when it comes to growing mushrooms.


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: HappyCat]
    #23776628 - 10/27/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not stirring anything. Just giving you a heads up. There are many people that would take acception to your remark and give you a prison raping. I'm glad you guys moved on. Bodhi's level of valuable information is nearly peerless and there are a good amount of cultivators here at that level.


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: HappyCat]
    #23776644 - 10/27/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Fanning is 100% pointless. The chamber has hundreds of holes its like rolling a window down on a motorcycle




I agree on the fanning not really being necessary in the sgfc, but if you decide you need to decrease the air exchange for some reason(maybe if the humidity was too low for some reason) you can always just tape over some of the holes.



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I just stick my hand in without taking the lid up that much. If it feels humid all g xD.

Besides humidity isn't even all that important.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21288129/fpart/1/vc/1

Keep the surface glistening without any pooling water with proper misting and you don't even need a chamber.




Literally just said this earlier to you :sad: but here I'll pull the quote from the 2nd paragraph of the link for you :wink:
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The thing to remember(which is something i find misunderstood) is that the most important humidity you have is surface humidity, in other words it really doesn't matter if your fc has a rh of 40% or 99% as long as there is room for evaporation to take place the humidity that is important sits on the surface.

This is our goal with every fruiting chamber we use is surface humidity, with our monotubs we dial them in to achieve this, with our sgfc's we mist as needed to achieve this, with our gh's we (depending on your set up)use something like an ultrasonic humidifier as a timed mister to achieve this because once we have this we can focus on fae which is a great tool for everything your substrate wants for many reasons, the more the better:super:

The reason we grow in a high humidity environment is simple, mushrooms have no skin and lose moisture to the environment very easily and if they lose more then is being pumped in they simply die. This is an easy fix just simply misting your fruits:cool:

Which leads me to my adventures with no fruiting chamber:rockon:




Also one should never have to tape holes up, nor should they..

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?where=body&tosearch=both&how=all&words=taping+SGFC+holes&namebox=RogerRabbit&limit=25&sort=d&way=d


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: HappyCat]
    #23776660 - 10/27/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Fanning is 100% pointless. The chamber has hundreds of holes its like rolling a window down on a motorcycle




I agree on the fanning not really being necessary in the sgfc, but if you decide you need to decrease the air exchange for some reason(maybe if the humidity was too low for some reason) you can always just tape over some of the holes.



Never tape SGFC holes

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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: Mad Season]
    #23776674 - 10/27/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I wasn't talking to you -Mad-, and you're all meta and off topic, so how about taking the dick waving elsewhere? Because I'm not interested. :chillpill:


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    #23776678 - 10/27/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:facepalm:


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: HappyCat]
    #23776686 - 10/27/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Its all relevant and better to be good info than stuff you watch on you tube about growing in the dark ect


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: Edmunter]
    #23776691 - 10/27/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's actually extremely relevant, literally not off topic at all, and is the explanation of fruiting. Explaining you shouldn't need to worry about humidity, nor should you ever tape holes with 14 posts of RR.


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: HappyCat]
    #23776847 - 10/27/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I wasn't talking to you -Mad-, and you're all meta and off topic, so how about taking the dick waving elsewhere? Because I'm not interested. :chillpill:



Maybe you were not talking to him but he was talking to you. And everyone else that might read your bad advice.

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    #23776945 - 10/27/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid: I don't get why people take shit so personally sometimes.. all I ever said to him is idk where he gets his info from, he doesn't know what he's talking about, and corrected him. I made literally no personal attacks. Bitch is ironically not happy for a happy cat.


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Re: Continued mycelium growth but no fruiting in fruiting chamber [Re: Mad Season]
    #23777104 - 10/27/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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